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Aug 7, 2017 21:56:30   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
JFlorio wrote:
It cost's this tax payer way more. The only ones benefiting are the free loaders.


That's right. The big concern is Medicaid. 3/4 of the people shouldn't be on it anyway.

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Aug 8, 2017 00:18:47   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
permafrost wrote:
Obamacare Included Republican
Ideas, but the G.O.P. Health
Plan Has Left Democrats Out
By AUDREY CARLSEN and HAEYOUN PARK JULY 21, 2017

When Democrats passed the Affordable Care Act in 2010 without a single Republican v**e, they were criticized for being too partisan. In the end, however, the bill included many Republican ideas.

The keystone principle of the act — a mandate that all Americans buy health insurance — is rooted in conservative thinking. Additionally, the Democrat-controlled House and Senate committees adopted nearly 190 Republican amendments while writing the legislation, according to data compiled by The New York Times.

Amendments from the minority party that were adopted

0
188
Republican amendments in the Affordable Care Act
Democratic amendments in the Republican plan
In contrast, Democrats have complained that they had no input in creating any of the Republican health care plans proposed this year. Democrats, who have submitted numerous proposals, said they would further participate if Republicans dropped their insistence on repealing the Affordable Care Act.

“The door to bipartisanship is open right now, not with repeal but with an effort to improve the existing system,” said Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader.

“We’re ready to sit down, right now, if Republicans abandon cuts to Medicaid, abandon huge tax breaks for the wealthy, and agree to go through the regular order — through the committees, with hearings, onto the floor, with time for amendments,” he said.

House Democrats proposed 29 amendments to the House version of the Republican bill, but none of them passed.

Some were symbolic protests that were not particularly meaningful, like a proposal to change the title of the bill to the “Republican Pay More for Less Care Act.” But others were more substantive, like measures to protect subsidies to help people pay for deductibles.

Republicans have argued that many of the amendments that they proposed that were adopted in 2009 were procedural instead of substantive. For example, Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, at the time said that the amendments she introduced successfully “were all technical.”

Many substantive amendments, however, were adopted, including provisions requiring members of Congress to purchase insurance through the public health exchanges and allowing small businesses to band together to provide coverage.

The Times compiled the list of amendments from 2009 to 2010 as well as from this year, from publicly available databases and records provided by the five House and Senate committees directly involved in drafting health care legislation.

A comparison of amendments to the
Affordable Care Act and the Republican plan
Republican plan
Majority party
amendment
Minority party
amendment
Bipartisan amendment
Amendments adopted

8
0
0
Failed

0
29
0
Affordable Care Act
Amendments adopted

169
188
17
Failed

13
201
3
Note: Amendments that were withdrawn or ruled nongermane are not included. Numbers for the Republican plan include only amendments proposed in the House; the Senate’s draft legislation has not yet made it to the floor.
Senate Republican leaders have proposed four versions of their plan, but at least twice, the bills have failed to reach the floor because several Republican senators announced their opposition. They are trying to pass a bill without Democratic support, and their slim two-v**e majority leaves little room for Republican dissent.

“It’s really hard to thread that needle when you have different groups that oppose the bill for such different reasons within the same party,” said Allison K. Hoffman, a health care policy expert and law professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

Soon after the Senate bill collapsed this week, Mr. Schumer urged Republican lawmakers to start fresh and pursue a bipartisan effort — an idea that Mr. McConnell had floated a few weeks ago, when he realized his bill was in trouble.

“The A.C.A. is a bill that is very bipartisan in nature,” Ms. Hoffman said. Critical ideas for the Affordable Care Act were borne of more conservative thinking, she said.

The federal mandate to buy insurance is similar to a mandate that Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican p**********l candidate, had enacted as Massachusetts governor. The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage originated with conservative economists two decades ago and was initially embraced by conservative research groups, like the Heritage Foundation.

“Historically, the parties used to talk to each other more,” Ms. Hoffman said. “But we’ve seen a real shutdown of cooperation over the past eight years.”
Obamacare Included Republican br Ideas, but the G.... (show quote)


Bottom line is the left created it, the left passed it without telling the public anything about it, the left bragged about it incessantly, the left will eat it.

Joe v**er remembers Obama lying about it and it's benefits and as the costs rise so does v**er anger.

Sorry, but the left forced a pig in a poke on America and now the left is paying for it. That is what v**ers will know come midterms.

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Aug 8, 2017 09:22:36   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Here's the strange part, at least to me Doc. All the Democrats in power admit their are big problems that need fixed with the ACA.
Many say without this fix the Law will implode. Many counties are down to one provider. Yet, perm and the rest of the left loons on OPP make this bill sound like manna from heaven. They act like it's a big deal that people receiving free benefits paid for by someone else like it. Do they even understand what the supposed fix is? I doubt it. The fix is billions of tax payer dollars to be used to bail out the health insurance corporations. Higher penalty and more mandates. How can the very people that whine everyday here on OPP against corporations endorse giving said corporations billions? It's enough to make you think liberals are stupid.
Docadhoc wrote:
Bottom line is the left created it, the left passed it without telling the public anything about it, the left bragged about it incessantly, the left will eat it.

Joe v**er remembers Obama lying about it and it's benefits and as the costs rise so does v**er anger.

Sorry, but the left forced a pig in a poke on America and now the left is paying for it. That is what v**ers will know come midterms.

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Aug 8, 2017 17:44:43   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
JFlorio wrote:
Here's the strange part, at least to me Doc. All the Democrats in power admit their are big problems that need fixed with the ACA.
Many say without this fix the Law will implode. Many counties are down to one provider. Yet, perm and the rest of the left loons on OPP make this bill sound like manna from heaven. They act like it's a big deal that people receiving free benefits paid for by someone else like it. Do they even understand what the supposed fix is? I doubt it. The fix is billions of tax payer dollars to be used to bail out the health insurance corporations. Higher penalty and more mandates. How can the very people that whine everyday here on OPP against corporations endorse giving said corporations billions? It's enough to make you think liberals are stupid.
Here's the strange part, at least to me Doc. All t... (show quote)


Exactly correct. That's why I say that the simplest approach, since the left believes their best move has been to.obstruct every attempt to fix if, is to move on and let the ACA die all on its own merit. Then when they have their hissy fit it would be time to publicize every word they said when they admitted their baby was ill. Then they can explain why they refused to help heal it.

Our OPP libs think this insurance issue will win them the midterms. What it does is bury them.

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Aug 8, 2017 17:49:58   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
By the way, Iowa is down to one ACA carrier and it is demanding a 43% increase in premium rates or it says it will drop out.

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Aug 8, 2017 19:03:06   #
Gatsby
 
Let's see, the democrats endowed us with obamacare in 2010; they then lost the House that year,
they lost the Senate in 2014, they lost the Presidency and the SCOTUS in 2016.

What have they got left to lose?

Docadhoc wrote:
Exactly correct. That's why I say that the simplest approach, since the left believes their best move has been to.obstruct every attempt to fix if, is to move on and let the ACA die all on its own merit. Then when they have their hissy fit it would be time to publicize every word they said when they admitted their baby was ill. Then they can explain why they refused to help heal it.

Our OPP libs think this insurance issue will win them the midterms. What it does is bury them.

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Aug 8, 2017 19:06:43   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
P***e? Oh, never mind. They wouldn't be Democrats if they had any p***e.
Gatsby wrote:
Let's see, the democrats endowed us with obamacare in 2010; they then lost the House that year,
they lost the Senate in 2014, they lost the Presidency and the SCOTUS in 2016.

What have they got left to lose?

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Aug 8, 2017 19:23:42   #
Gatsby
 
JFlorio wrote:
P***e? Oh, never mind. They wouldn't be Democrats if they had any p***e.


They still have the MSM in their pocket, and the justice department on a short leash apparently.

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Aug 8, 2017 21:52:13   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Gatsby wrote:
Let's see, the democrats endowed us with obamacare in 2010; they then lost the House that year,
they lost the Senate in 2014, they lost the Presidency and the SCOTUS in 2016.

What have they got left to lose?


48 senate seats and a handful of governorships come to mind. And a few more seats on the SC.

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Aug 8, 2017 21:55:29   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Gatsby wrote:
Let's see, the democrats endowed us with obamacare in 2010; they then lost the House that year,
they lost the Senate in 2014, they lost the Presidency and the SCOTUS in 2016.

What have they got left to lose?


Power of obstruction.

Personal power, and the wealth that comes with it.

Camera time/ego massages.

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