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Feb 7, 2014 02:52:03   #
pana Loc: are we there yet?
 
US State Department Blasts Europe; Revealed As Alleged Mastermind Behind Ukraine Unre

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A leaked recording of a telephone conversation allegedly between US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland and the US envoy to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing who should be in Ukraine's next government has, according to The FT, threatened to fuel east-west tensions over the troubled nation's future. In apparent frustration with the EU – which has failed to join the US in threatening sanctions against Ukraine’s leaders if they violently crush the protests – the voice resembling Ms Nuland at one point exclaims "Fuck the EU". As the two US diplomats decide whether "Klitsch" or "Yats" should be 'in' or 'out', listeners will be reminded (uncomfortably) that the governments of Ukraine and Russia previously alleged that the protests are being funded and orchestrated by the US.
The authenticity of the recording has not been confirmed (though comparisons to Nuland's recent media appearances provide some confidence) - the FT reported that the US embassy in Kiev declined to comment, which is a tacit admission: if the clip was a f**e, the US would immediately make it clear.
Needless to say, as the FT adds, "[this clip] could also bolster a propaganda campaign by the governments of Ukraine and Russia alleging that the protests that erupted against Ukraine’s President Viktor Yanukovich last November are being funded and orchestrated by the US." Its release on the day the Sochi Olympics start is also somewhat disturbing.
The controversial alleged Nuland "Fuck The EU" clip... (the discussion of the EU and UN involvement begins around 2:50)
And for comparison's sake - Nuland last month delivering a statement on the situation in Ukraine...
In a clip posted on YouTube, voices resembling those of Victoria Nuland, a US assistant secretary of state, and Geoffrey Pyatt, ambassador to Ukraine, are heard talking by telephone about how to resolve the stand-off in Kiev after two months of anti-government protests.
In apparent frustration with the EU – which has failed to join the US in threatening sanctions against Ukraine’s leaders if they violently crush the protests – the voice resembling Ms Nuland at one point exclaims “F**k the EU”.
The two voices suggest Arseny Yatseniuk, the opposition leader and a former foreign minister, should be in a new government in Kiev. But Vitali Klitschko, a former heavyweight boxer and identified as “top dog” among opposition leaders, is also described as inexperienced and needing to “do his political homework”.
The voice resembling Ms Nuland refers to the two men as “Yats” and “Klitsch”.

It could also bolster a propaganda campaign by the governments of Ukraine and Russia alleging that the protests that erupted against Ukraine’s President Viktor Yanukovich last November are being funded and orchestrated by the US.

As we warned previously, after the Olympics, Ukraine becomes a very hot spot indeed...

The Western powers represented by the EU and the US have nothing to stand on to protect Ukraine and can only offer lip-service at best. So once again, it appears that Ukraine is doomed and the best one can hope for there, is that Russia will allow the West to leave. The countdown goes forward and the political and economic crisis is indicative of what we see with the first shot across the bow in the rising trend of the Cycle of War.
InvestingChannel: US State Department Blasts Europe; Revealed As Alleged Mastermind Behind Ukraine Unrest


"Washington Destabilizes Ukraine
Only Washington Knows Best

Paul Craig Roberts

The control freaks in Washington think that only the decisions that Washington makes and imposes on other sovereign countries are democratic. No other country on earth is capable of making a democratic decision.

The world has witnessed this American self- righteousness for eons as Washington o*******ws one democratic government after the other and imposes its puppet, as Washington did in Iran in 1953 when the CIA, as it now admits, and as Ervand Abrahamian proves in his book The C**p (The New Press, 2013), o*******w the elected government of Mossadeq, and more recently the elected government of Honduras and many governments in between.

Currently Washington is working overtime to o*******w the governments of Syria, Iran again, and Ukraine. Washington has also targeted Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, and Brazil, and in its wildest dreams the governments of Russia and China.

On January 26 Syrian government advisor Bouthaina Shaaban asked Wolf Blitzer, a propagandist for Washington and the Israel Lobby, on US TV why the US government, speaking through Secretary of Stare John Kerry, has the right to decide who is to be the government of Syria instead of the Syrian people. [Polls show that Syrian president Assad’s approval ratings exceed those of every Western leader.] Even the slimy Blitzer wasn’t slimy enough to answer, “because we are the exceptional, indispensable people.” But that’s what Washington thinks.

Washington will soon be back at work on destabilizing the government of Iran again, a habit I suppose, but for the moment Washington is focused on destabilizing Ukraine.

Ukraine has a democratically elected government, but Washington doesn’t like it because Washington didn’t pick it. The Ukraine or the western part of it is full of Washington funded NGOs whose purpose is to deliver Ukraine into the clutches of the EU where US and European banks can l**t the country, as they l**ted, for example, Latvia, and simultaneously weaken Russia by stealing a large part of traditional Russia and converting it into US/NATO military bases against Russia.

Perhaps Putin, an athlete, is distracted by the Olympic Games in Russia. Otherwise, it is something of a puzzle why Russia hasn’t put its nuclear missiles on high alert and occupied the western Ukraine with troops in order to prevent Ukraine’s o*******w by Washington’s money. Every country has citizens that will sell the country out for money, and western Ukraine is overflowing with such t*****rs.

As we have seen for decades, Arabs and Muslims will sell out their people for Western money. So will western Ukrainians. The NGOs financed by Washington are committed to delivering Ukraine into Washington’s hands where Ukrainians can become American serfs and this integral part of Russia can become a staging ground for the US military.

Of all the violent protests that we have been witnessed to, the Ukrainian one is the most orchestrated.

On February 6, Zero Hedge, one of the intelligent and informed Internet sites, posted a leaked recording from the despicable Victoria Nuland, an Assistant Secretary of State in the Obama Regime. Nuland is caught discussing with the US envoy to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, Washington’s choice for who heads the next Ukrainian government.

Nuland is incensed that the European Union has not joined Washington in imposing sanctions on the Ukrainian government in order to complete Washington’s takeover of Ukraine. Nuland speaks as if she is God with the God-given right to select the government of Ukraine, which she proceeds to do.

The EU, as corrupt as it is by Washington’s money, nevertheless understands being made rich by Washington is no protection agains Russian nuclear missiles. Nuland’s response to Europe’s hesitancy to risk its existence for the benefit of US hegemony is:
“Fuck the EU.”

So much for Washington’s attitude toward its captive allies and the peoples of the world."

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Feb 7, 2014 06:06:25   #
pana Loc: are we there yet?
 
State Department Confirms Authenticity Of Intercepted Ukraine Phone Call

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/state-department-confirms-authenticity-intercepted-ukraine-phone-call-accuses-russia

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Feb 7, 2014 12:06:23   #
PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.
 
damn, when will people wake up?

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Feb 8, 2014 10:52:49   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Wowzers, Pana, are we really the world's new hegemon? Russia and China are the protectors of the rest of the world against our imperial aims? We really don't have a role of exceptionality, as Obama and Prezes since FDR have claimed, as the promoters of freedom and self-government in the world? You actually mean that Putin was advocating states rights when he spoke out against our claim of exceptionality in his criticism of our plan at the time to bomb Syria's chemical weapons out of existence? ha. Perhaps so, but the overall situation isn't quite so simplistic. America does still have a role to play as promoter of freedom and democracy...and we are not aspiring to empire but rather to enable a world of freedom and self-government. Who do you think created the United Nations in the first place on our model and as the larger instrument of our geopolitical strategy for the future of civilization?

Well, Pana and PhilosophyMan, there will be a time and place when the United Nations, set up on our federal model of limited central government and checks and balances, will indeed involve issues of nation's rights against interference in their affairs as against the larger interests of the world community but we aren't there yet...may be in your lifetimes, young men, but not in mine, old as I am. Indeed, sometime in the future we may be the equivalent of New York in a united community of nations, but right now we have the exceptionality role Great Britain performed for 500 years as defender and promoter of freedom and self-government.

The Brits won some, lost some battles in the ambiguous developments that created freedom and self-government over the course of five centuries. Empire was not exactly "politically correct" by 2000 standards, but where would freedom and self-government be in the world community without the freedom and self-governments the Brits created in Asia and Africa, not to mention in the beginning here in America? Where would the cause of freedom and self-government be if we had not created freedom and self-government in Japan and South Korea out of nothing after WWII...and in Germany, Austria, and Italy? What do you think "Operation Iraqi Freedom" was about? American hegemony in the Middle East? The intent was to create a model of freedom and self-government in the middle of the Middle East as we did in Japan and South Korea, and failed in our effort in Nam. And as it stands we now are trying to bolster new areas of freedom and self-government in Libya, Tunesia, and north Africa...won't be secure over night. Yes, Russia and China will develop beyond dictatorship...doesn't happen overnight. but already they are talking nation's rights in the same way southern states used to before the Civil War. Gee, who does Putin think he is in questioning our insistence Syria violation of international standards be deal with, the world's Andrew Jackson?

And, guess what, America is the "libtard" party in the world's geopolitics. Ironic, huh? Gives a whole new dimension to liberal/conservative political divide choices.
The truly ironic part is that the extreme right in our national politics (and also the extreme left) agree with Putin in geopolitics...as per your post, Pana. Wowzers! Ironic.

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Feb 8, 2014 11:00:18   #
pana Loc: are we there yet?
 
Im sorry but I couldn't get past the first paragraph in your Stasi indoctrinated rant.
If you really think this government is here to promote democracy you haven't been paying attention for about the last 20-30 years.
Wow just reading that paragraph made me lose brain cells that I will never be able to recover.

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Feb 8, 2014 12:40:10   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
pana wrote:
Im sorry but I couldn't get past the first paragraph in your Stasi indoctrinated rant.
If you really think this government is here to promote democracy you haven't been paying attention for about the last 20-30 years.
Wow just reading that paragraph made me lose brain cells that I will never be able to recover.


I haven't been paying attention the past 30 years, so I don't know who or what Stasi is. Not knowing Stasi, I still suspect you've been Stasied or Limboed yourself. ha.

The world has indeed been Americanized since WWII...to such an extent that there is some degree of resentment reaction. Some Chinese have even spoken of the need to de-Americanize. Yeah, that'll happen really soon...just like those who want to deport all 6 million illegal Mexican immigrants will stop eating tacos. ha.

Actually I am a bit astonished and intrigued at how you reach the extreme interpretation that America is no longer the land of the free and the model of self-government for the world. Just when and how did this reversal occur in our more than 200 year history of government?

So, how come only a few people are aware we aren't free and not self-governing? Besides of course, Putin with his over 90 billion dollar fortune which gives him larger perspective from glorious post-C*******t Russia to see what has happened somehow in the now U.S.S.Americisky? Who would think we would be trying to steal from now-champion-of-nations-rights Russia its rightful state part Ukraine with the bought support of its citizenry. Shame on us imperialistic USSAmericiskys!

How ironic. Actually, I would like an explanation of when and how this reversal is supposed to have occurred in our history that somehow I missed in the past 20 or 30 years. Surely you owe to anyone visiting this site an explanation of what we all have somehow missed by not paying attention. Let me see, if 20 years ago it must have been the fault of that no good Arkansas Billy...or if 30 years ago the fault of that silly Hollywoody Ronny who made me into a Dem...or maybe it was a conspiracy between the two of those joining in with the ghosts of FDRosy and Scarry Falseman to turn America into a tyranny? Or maybe it goes back to that Roosy Prog carrying a big stick and that academianut Wilson a hundred years ago? Can't trust those academians, you know...they're all progs and libs/secret c****es and muslims. If you don't believe me, just ask some of the more insightful people here on OPP.

I guess I could add more sarcasms (not at you, Pana, but at OPP right wing extremists in general with such twisted interpretations of reality) but I'm sure you stopped reading my rant after the first paragraph. You apparently don't appreciate ironies at your expense. However, I do appreciate your contributing so much to my main cause on OPP, getting RWEs to see the humor of their laughable interpretations of reality...or short of their seeing the humor, the laughableness of their clueless responses.

Now, seriously, in the next hundred years the issues you suggest in your posted subject may be important geopolitical issues for the world community of future time and circumstances, just that it's highly exaggerated and misleading in present time and circumstances. That is, I think you are somewhat prescient if premature in your geopolitical thinking. That's somewhat a compliment.

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Feb 11, 2014 07:53:33   #
Welter
 
Right from the start it was clear that America is behind the events in Ukraine. Nuland's words and American ships in the Black Sea are enough to understand that. The most disturbing thing about Ukraine is that the majority of country's opposition is formed by radical nationalists and in fact Americans support them and want Europe to do the same. But Europe do not support the criminal enterprises because we support democracy while Americans support any forces that loyal to them and that also a well-known and undeniable fact, especially now when we learned many things about America's games in Ukraine. I'm glad that Europe decided to slower its cooperation with Ukraine because nationalists are not the right people to have business with. We understand that in contrast with America and we realize that there is no place for nationalists in the civilized world.

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Feb 11, 2014 08:27:52   #
pana Loc: are we there yet?
 
Welter wrote:
Right from the start it was clear that America is behind the events in Ukraine. Nuland's words and American ships in the Black Sea are enough to understand that. The most disturbing thing about Ukraine is that the majority of country's opposition is formed by radical nationalists and in fact Americans support them and want Europe to do the same. But Europe do not support the criminal enterprises because we support democracy while Americans support any forces that loyal to them and that also a well-known and undeniable fact, especially now when we learned many things about America's games in Ukraine. I'm glad that Europe decided to slower its cooperation with Ukraine because nationalists are not the right people to have business with. We understand that in contrast with America and we realize that there is no place for nationalists in the civilized world.
Right from the start it was clear that America is ... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Feb 11, 2014 09:00:43   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Welter wrote:
Right from the start it was clear that America is behind the events in Ukraine. Nuland's words and American ships in the Black Sea are enough to understand that. The most disturbing thing about Ukraine is that the majority of country's opposition is formed by radical nationalists and in fact Americans support them and want Europe to do the same. But Europe do not support the criminal enterprises because we support democracy while Americans support any forces that loyal to them and that also a well-known and undeniable fact, especially now when we learned many things about America's games in Ukraine. I'm glad that Europe decided to slower its cooperation with Ukraine because nationalists are not the right people to have business with. We understand that in contrast with America and we realize that there is no place for nationalists in the civilized world.
Right from the start it was clear that America is ... (show quote)


Who are you, spokesperson for post-c****e nationalist Russia with its 90-billion-dollar-somehow-gotten-fortune dear leader Putin parading around without shirt showing his big belly? Why should Ukraine wish to have status as Russian state and be another Chezna rather than part of the European Union? How many added billions to Putin's personal fortune are at stake in Ukraine situation? Did you know that eBay sellers won't send to Russia because delivery in Russia is unreliable? That's how corrupt thing are there today--posted goods (we're talking seven dollar vintage postcards) get l**ted. Somewhat understandable Ukrainian citizens do not want to be part of such practices, as is the case with the rest of Eastern Europe. Poor Russia with Pootin' Putin, it's as if J. Edgar Hoover had made himself hovering U.S.Prez. ha.

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Feb 11, 2014 09:05:33   #
pana Loc: are we there yet?
 
Ignoring what is happening will not make it go away. Don't shot the messenger. You should probably stick to US MSM propaganda news so as not to ruin your day.
http://thebricspost.com/china-russia-ties-has-greatest-global-influence-ever-xi/#.UvouPbmYbIU

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Feb 11, 2014 13:38:24   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
pana wrote:
Ignoring what is happening will not make it go away. Don't shot the messenger. You should probably stick to US MSM propaganda news so as not to ruin your day.
http://thebricspost.com/china-russia-ties-has-greatest-global-influence-ever-xi/#.UvouPbmYbIU



I'm not "ignoring" what's happening, presumptious Pana...I'm questioning your pro-Russian-Chinese-new-corrupt-tyrrannies interpretation of situation. Why do you extremists always presume anyone who disagrees with you is ignoring or doesn't understand? I gave enough details to show I am not ignoring and that I do understand the specific situation and moreover the larger implications involved.

No, I'm not shooting the PPP (presumptious propagandist Pana) messenger, just calling his message out as typical right wing extremist thinking warped to isolationist anti-Americanism. Just hope the rest of the right wing extremist gang on OPP is watching and sees where your special brand of their extremism comes from and leads to. Right wing extremism is quite in step with post-C*******t Russia and China, as your advocacy suggests, just that most RWEs don't realize the ends their disgust with America as it exists today leads to.

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Feb 11, 2014 14:27:23   #
pana Loc: are we there yet?
 
[quote=jonhatfield]I'm not "ignoring" what's happening, presumptious Pana...
Im sorry that is all the further that I chose to read before I started feeling like I was dumping brain cells. Here is a free tip for you. If you want people to read your posts past the first sentence then you will have to leave the insults till the end like this dumb ass.

:thumbup:

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Feb 11, 2014 14:56:19   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
[quote=pana]
jonhatfield wrote:
I'm not "ignoring" what's happening, presumptious Pana...
Im sorry that is all the further that I chose to read before I started feeling like I was dumping brain cells. Here is a free tip for you. If you want people to read your posts past the first sentence then you will have to leave the insults till the end like this dumb ass.

:thumbup:


Pana banana rana. Wanna try againa, ya yella banana?

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Feb 12, 2014 05:37:04   #
pana Loc: are we there yet?
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Pana banana rana. Wanna try againa, ya yella banana?


I cant even believe you wrote that. :lol: Seriously ..... are you 3? How embarrassing for you.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:40:24   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
pana wrote:
I cant even believe you wrote that. :lol: Seriously ..... are you 3? How embarrassing for you.


Hey, ya yella banana Pana, ya lost a lotta brain cells again? :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :-D :!:

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