robmull Loc: florida

Sure, there are a few (D)ing-bat Republicans, RINO's and RINO'S, in Congress who seem to want to perpetuate the gigantic wealth-t***sfer tax, (D)isguised as "ObamaCare," and the ens***ed conservative {and "classic" liberal}, "v****g" America, knows who, and of what (D)istricts they inhabit and inhibit. THAT'S referring to the middle-class v**ers who have watched their premiums and (D)eductables of an "ACA," that really has NOTHING to do with healthcare {but for those able to be subsidized}, skyrocket. Perhaps if the congressional lawmakers, and their managerial counterparts themselves had to fork-over the steadily increasing $6000.00 to $15,000.00 a year {or be incrementally fined}, to take advantage of the steadily increasing $6000.00 to $15,000.00 a year, unprecedented (D)eductables, I'm sure there would be not only no RINO v**es to keep the "ObamaTax" in place, but near-about 100% of the congressional {non-(D)isguised} "leftys" would be on the "TRUMP TRAIN" also, to put the wealth t***sfer tax "obamanation," (D)irectly where the sun-don't-shine!!! Hummmmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {GOD-FEARING, BORN-AGAIN} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!!

Airforceone

They ACA has nothing to do with Healthcare why 28 million more people insured. Tell me one person paying $6,000 to $15,000 nor the word you use is more the open exchange is there for you to review show me one GD policy that's actually cost $6,000 more I cannot find one GD policy in the silver plan that cost $6,000 more the policy my son bought with a $750 deductible $5 copay for meds, $25 copay for primary care visits pays $750 a month with absolutely no government subsidies. But if he lived in a state that signed up for Medicaid expansion his premium for the same plan would be $385 a month.

Now I can tell you have no F'ing idea about cost thru the ACA. You're just repeating Fox News or what ever Rightcwing BS you pick up.

The GD numbers you're using are cost for the Cadillac Plans which is correct but what you're being told is the condition under the Bronze plan which was set up with high deductibles and a low cost in most cases below $100 a month.
Can I ask you have you ever gone onto the open exchange and actually looked at the programs and costs set up by the providers. Ha ha ha ha it defies every GD statement you made.

Just remember the only programs you talking about are obtained through the exchanges which I can tell you have no idea how they work. The only thing that the ACA did to the employee based programs was stop these GD insurance company from writing junk policies that it. Yes there prices went up on a small margins.

I can explain how the ACA works but for what purpose but I could allow you to continue to spread the BS lies.

son of witless

As far as Obamacare, I have friends who lost insurance and went to Obamacare and told me it was a total joke.

robmull Loc: florida

I was referring to families, turd, not single children, but little else you parochially mentioned made much sense. And the fact that doctors and hospitals, countrywide, have been "left" holding-the-bag, so-to-speak, for BILLION$ and BILLION$ and BILLION$ of DOLLAR$, and some states don't have a single medical facility or doctor willing to accept the "ACA." And now the premiums that started-out outrageous are now increasing in some states by 157%, and are now, as planned for the "single-payer" government take-over of the entire "Charlie Gard" "obamanation" HealthCare system by "lefty," {for (D)ecades}, (D)ropping-out like flies. But all your fantasy's about unsubsidized numbers covered under "ObamaCare," does continue to make me wonder what planet the new "lefty," such-as-yourself, actually came-from.

Airforceone

Come on Witless I have help many people get on the ACA I know those exchanges well and how they work. These people telling you there a joke are not being honest. Let's put it this way. I lived in a Condo development near a small college a lot of these college students did odd jobs. I helped 7 of them get on the ACA and there premiums under the Bronze plan were between $68 and $92 depending on what the carriers were providing and yes the deductibles were high but how many young people really get sick that require hospitalization where the deductibles actually come in to play.

Now I helped a few older people meaning people who lost there insurance and at any cost could not get insurance due to pre existing conditions. I was about to get them insurance at anywhere between $385 to $435 a month under the Silver plan. Now you have to understand this state had signed up for Medicaid expansion so the premiums under the exchanges were relatively inexpensive. But the policy was.

Premiums were $385 a month
$750 deductible
$5 co-pay for medications
$25 co-pay for primary care
$100 co-pay for specialist
$25 co-pay for Blood work.

Now tell me is that a joke I don't think so. So if there telling it's a joke tell them to call me I will explain how the ACA exchanges work.

Now I have two sons that are in business I was in business for 28 years I know the employee based insurance business. My son has 82 employees he offered health Insurance when the ACA was passed he started shopping I advised him to do that. Now keep in mind there in a state where they had Medicaid expansion. So nobody was getting free medical care because of no insurance. He ended up paying 22% less to cover his employees and they were not junk policies.

So I will tell you that there were a lot of complaints for higher premiums but when I researched there original policy and was able to point out original policy were junk policies but there new policy under the ACA was not a junk policy so they were happy to pay the additional premium because now they knew they could not get cancelled.

Next up the Obama lie if you like you're doctor you can keep you're doctor. And that is 100% true. There were a lot of people under the exchanges that were buying insurance from different carriers. But what they were not aware of if you change carriers they all have a different network of doctors within there system. So these people should have checked there networks as to who came under there policies before they selected a carrier. There are thousands of networks throughout the country. Like said I was in business for 28 years I periodically change my carriers and every time I changed I use to get complaints from my employees that his doctor was not covered. But I explained how these networks work I told them to go back to the doctor and tell him. 100% of the time the doctor called that specific network and got on. These doctors are not aware of some of these networks all you have to do is ask. So there's thousands of networks and Fox News calls this out as an Obama lie. But this s**t happened all the time before the ACA. It was nothing new

What I did with the people I was helping is I called the government number where Obama had set up a very large team of insurance specialist and had these people ask questions and they fully understood what to look for when the went on line to select a carrier.

Fox News blamed Obama for everything that was wrong but it was not the ACA it was the carrier you selected due to not understanding how insurance companies operate. Don't forget there were 7 million people calling for insurance that had no idea how the industry operated they knew nothing about networks and how they operated. But if they called those specialist they would have explained how these carriers have networks to make sure you're doctor was in that network.

There is so much to the ACA it's a great bill and a lot of the negatives are just not true. Doctors around the country were raising there rates and told patients it's because of the ACA. I could explain red lining were carriers refuse to write policies in certain districts the 6 states in question do not have laws that make red lining illegal. It's not the ACA it's Republican controlled states that allow red lining.

But let me end it this way it's total lack of understanding as to how the system operates when purchasing medical insurance not the ACA

All the ACA did was set standards like They could not refuse insurance for pre-existing conditions, could throw someone off in they got sick, parents allowed to keep there kids on there policy till age 26. The mandate which required everybody to buy insurance because there was no incentive because they were getting free medical while we all paid for them. Medicaid expansion which gave government subsidies to the states for the poor and elderly under the age of 65. 1% penalty for not getting insurance a 3% tax on the corporate elite a small tax on employers with 50 or less employees that did not care health Insurance there were other things but these were the major issues.

son of witless

You can say anything you want. Free speech, ain't it great? I can refuse to believe anything you say. Believe it or not I am in a union. Late last year we negotiated for a new contract and the company let our negotiators know going in that our medical plan was in major jeopardy because ObamaKare was k*****g it with fees and regulations. Obama said we had a Cadillac plan and therefore we needed to be punished. ThanX Uncle Barak !!!!!! No really, thank you Sir may I have another.

Well a funny thing happened in negotiations. Suddenly the company changed it's tune. Things unexpectedly got way way gooder. Now what the hell could have gone right. We puzzled and puzzled till our puzzler was sore and something occurred to us that had not occurred before. Mighty Hillary had struck out.

pafret Loc: Northeast

I find it difficult to believe that you could correctly advise anyone on a complex topic such as insurance plans when you can't even write a coherent sentence.

"The mandate which required everybody to buy insurance because there was no incentive because they were getting free medical while we all paid for them. Medicaid expansion which gave government subsidies to the states for the poor and elderly under the age of 65. 1% penalty for not getting insurance a 3% tax on the corporate elite a small tax on employers with 50 or less employees that did not care health Insurance there were other things but these were the major issues."

This is the biggest collection of gobbledgook, strung together, that I have seen in a long time. Not one proper sentence in the bunch. I have no idea what you are trying to say and it appears you don't either.

Airforceone

That's is so BS because the ACA had nothing to do with employee based or Private union Insurance. All it did was tell the carriers that no more junk policies.
Come on Witless that is BS I havebeen my Involved with unions my whole life I guess you are the only union in the country that had a Cadillac plan. That is BS and you know it.

Look theses carriers used the ACA as an excuse to raise there own fees. Wow I wish I was there when they said that.

What were you're monthly premiums ?????

son of witless

It is not BS. You must be living under a rock. How do you think your little man Obama paid for free health care for dead beats? WELL!!!!! I know, I know he personally told you he would find the money by screwing the rich evil insurance companies. Well after you went to bed, he personally told me that I and anyone else who had a decent plan that WE would pay for the dead beats. You see it was not fair that we had fair to middling plans while his v**ers had to over burden ERs for their doctoring.

He told me that as far as screwing insurance companies to pay for his deadbeats, " well that is what we tell the i***ts " , then we both had a good laugh. He said far from taking money from Insurance Companies he was going to bail them out with my money. He was still laughing, but I wasn't.

Airforceone

What is you're monthly premium if you are paying $26,000 a year for you're insurance then yes because as per the ACA that's what constitutes as a Cadillac plan. Will you please read the bill. That's $2,166 a month they lied to you. Read the bill

Overburden emergency rooms do you think that's fair it sounds like you have a problem with that and that's exactly why he has the mandate to stop that from happening.

Look you have to read the bill. You can't understand what's BS and what's not unless you read the ACA.

Mandate requires everybody to have insurance I like that that penalty should be 10 times higher that way young people will get Insurance.

son of witless

Did you forget about Jonathan Gruber. He said he relied on the stupidity of the American v**er. He was not talking about ME! He meant YOU !!!!!

Airforceone

Read the whole interview and stop cherry picking. As he stated (I WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS LAW THAN NOT IMPOSING OBAMA CARE ON THE PUBLIC JUSTIFIES THE MEANS) His critical part was it redistributed the wealth from the young to the old. But he also said the mandate should be higher because we were all paying for the young with no insurance. Read the whole statement it drives me nuts when Fox News cherry picked what he actually said.

son of witless

Why would I not cherry pick? Why would I want to read an entire interview with someone who put one over on the American Public? When he said he counted on the stupidity of the American v**er, that was not out of context. As far as redistributing of wealth, why is it you l*****ts always think that is a good idea? All over the world redistributists have taken from one group and given to another and misery has always followed. Example Joseph Stalin redistributed farmland from the Kulaks who were kind of like Russia's version of a rural middle class. Murder, starvation, and terrific misery resulted from " redistribution ".

Now lets us speak of this i***tic redistribution of wealth from the young to the old. You are so screwed up in your facts that I do not know where to begin the un brainwashing. The young are generally poor and the old are generally rich. The young are generally healthy and the old are generally unhealthy. Why would anyone with a brain redistribute wealth from poor young healthy people and give it to rich sick old people??????????????????????????????????????

I am in my 60s and I guess you are not that young so you should know WTF I am talking about. When I was in my 20s and 30s there were a lot of full time jobs that provided health care coverage to workers and their families. Today's 20s and 30 somethings can't find full time jobs to get their health care coverage. Under job k*****g Obama more young people had to settle for part time work and no insurance so they had to go to Obama care. Then your moron cut their part time hours even more, by demanding companies give health care coverage to anyone working, I think 32 hours. Well SHAZZAM!!!! Companies cut their part timers hours to under 32 hours. Geez ole Willockers who could have foreseen that???????????????????????????

It was not what you and your liar of a leader Obama said. We were not paying for the young's health care because they were too cheap. Under your i***t there were no jobs that provided them health coverage, and the pittance they made in their part time jobs did not allow them to afford their own insurance. For 8 freakin years Obama, your hero, pursued policies that did not allow the creation of large numbers of full time jobs with benefits. Trump is creating full time jobs with health care insurance with zero help from your Democrats and little help from my Republicans in Congress.

pafret Loc: Northeast

You have it exactly correct. Why can the l*****ts on this forum not look at the actual effects of the ACA legislation and realize that it is the root cause of our malaise?

son of witless

How many of us are willing to admit we were suckers? I mean taken for a ride. I love watching American Greed on CNBC. Con men c***ting people out of their life savings. Many of these people cannot admit that they were stupid enough to be c***ted. I know what it feels like on a small scale. I've had a contractor royally screw me on a roof job and it is hard to admit you got s**mmed.

Well used car salesman Barry Soetorro gave a hard sell on Obama care and a lot of people were s**mmed. They simply cannot admit their mistake.