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Feb 3, 2014 12:25:47   #
Kevyn
 
Here are the definations of a number of basic words that are routinely thrown around on this site and misused with little t***h understanding or accuracy. Wouldn't it make sense if posters would agree to convey ideas with a basic understanding of the language they are using, and at least avoid screwing up the use of these very basic political terms.

Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

C*******m:  a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production.

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

Liberal:  Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Conservative:  Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

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Feb 3, 2014 12:42:24   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here are the definations of a number of basic words that are routinely thrown around on this site and misused with little t***h understanding or accuracy. Wouldn't it make sense if posters would agree to convey ideas with a basic understanding of the language they are using, and at least avoid screwing up the use of these very basic political terms.

Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

C*******m:  a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production.

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

Liberal:  Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Conservative:  Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Here are the definations of a number of basic word... (show quote)


While I agree that there are misunderstandings here, it is more on your part. I think you need to take a course on reading comprehension so you know just exactly what it is that people are writing about and what they are trying to say. Using these words is not wrong, IF you know the idea behind what the author is trying to convey. I have used every one of the words except conservative, but you don't seem to understand what is being said. Most people on here that use these words know full well what they mean and use them because it best describes what they want to say.

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Feb 3, 2014 12:57:04   #
Kevyn
 
MrEd wrote:
While I agree that there are misunderstandings here, it is more on your part. I think you need to take a course on reading comprehension so you know just exactly what it is that people are writing about and what they are trying to say. Using these words is not wrong, IF you know the idea behind what the author is trying to convey. I have used every one of the words except conservative, but you don't seem to understand what is being said. Most people on here that use these words know full well what they mean and use them because it best describes what they want to say.
While I agree that there are misunderstandings her... (show quote)


In other words the inaccuracy is deliberate and used in an attempt to describe something as it is clearly not. Isn't that deliberately misleading? For instance why not just say something like "I feel the regulation of industry is bad policy because..." rather than calling someone with a plan to regulate an industry a c****e or dictator when it is obvious that they are neither? To me it is no different than a little kid calling his brother a poop face when he is frustrated with the brother and can not articulate his frustration. We all deserve better.

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Feb 3, 2014 13:50:32   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here are the definations of a number of basic words that are routinely thrown around on this site and misused with little t***h understanding or accuracy. Wouldn't it make sense if posters would agree to convey ideas with a basic understanding of the language they are using, and at least avoid screwing up the use of these very basic political terms.

Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

C*******m:  a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production.

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

Liberal:  Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Conservative:  Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Here are the definations of a number of basic word... (show quote)


Fairly accurate. I would add caveats to "Liberal" and "Conservative," two of the most used and least understood on this forum. There are two main types of Liberal, or, rather, two definitions, and the same can be said of Conservative.
Your first definition of "Liberal" is the original, as per John Locke and, to a lesser degree, John Stewart Mill. Locke, especially, quantified this definition.
The definition of Conservative is also correct to a point. There is another definition of Conservative which describes someone who favors very powerful central government, and concentration of authority. In other words, a current left wing Democrat. The connotation of "Liberal" now seems to be one who favors a Socialistic approach, feeling somehow that a powerful government is more able to decide what is best for you than you are able to decide for yourself. I would modify the "tending to oppose change." It is more like a philosophy of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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Feb 3, 2014 13:55:00   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
Kevyn wrote:
In other words the inaccuracy is deliberate and used in an attempt to describe something as it is clearly not. Isn't that deliberately misleading? For instance why not just say something like "I feel the regulation of industry is bad policy because..." rather than calling someone with a plan to regulate an industry a c****e or dictator when it is obvious that they are neither? To me it is no different than a little kid calling his brother a poop face when he is frustrated with the brother and can not articulate his frustration. We all deserve better.
In other words the inaccuracy is deliberate and us... (show quote)


I agree with Mr. Ed. We just believe in cutting to the chase, and stating what we think, using words that are meaningful to us. Not trying to mislead anyone. If he types Liberal Butthead, I know exactly the profile of the person he is describing, as does most everyone on this site. Conversely, if someone else types Conservative Butthead, well you get my drift.

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Feb 3, 2014 13:57:15   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
banjojack wrote:
Fairly accurate. I would add caveats to "Liberal" and "Conservative," two of the most used and least understood on this forum. There are two main types of Liberal, or, rather, two definitions, and the same can be said of Conservative.
Your first definition of "Liberal" is the original, as per John Locke and, to a lesser degree, John Stewart Mill. Locke, especially, quantified this definition.
The definition of Conservative is also correct to a point. There is another definition of Conservative which describes someone who favors very powerful central government, and concentration of authority. In other words, a current left wing Democrat. The connotation of "Liberal" now seems to be one who favors a Socialistic approach, feeling somehow that a powerful government is more able to decide what is best for you than you are able to decide for yourself. I would modify the "tending to oppose change." It is more like a philosophy of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Fairly accurate. I would add caveats to "Libe... (show quote)


More appropriately, where this administration is concerned "if it ain't broke, just wait".

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Feb 3, 2014 14:26:12   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Unclet wrote:
I agree with Mr. Ed. We just believe in cutting to the chase, and stating what we think, using words that are meaningful to us. Not trying to mislead anyone. If he types Liberal Butthead, I know exactly the profile of the person he is describing, as does most everyone on this site. Conversely, if someone else types Conservative Butthead, well you get my drift.


Conservative Butthead is an excellent example of the tolerance of liberals. Wasn't that one of the main words in Kevyn's good words about liberals. They keep talking about tolerance of others' ideas but never exhibit much of same.

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Feb 3, 2014 14:36:07   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Definition: Political conservatism in the United States is both an intellectual/theoretical tradition and a popular political movement.

As an intellectual tradition, political conservatism does not necessarily focus on any particular political position or issue. In fact, most conservative traditionalists disagree with one another over a number of issues including (but not limited to) a******n, stem cell research, capital punishment, the environment and war. Nevertheless, these intellectual traditionalists tend to subscribe to the same conservative principles, those being primarily the importance of family, but also a small or limited government, a strong national defense and free enterprise.

Conservatism is also an umbrella term that embodies several different types of politically conservative philosophies. These are often primarily identified as neoconservatism, paleoconservatism and social conservatism, but they also include fiscal conservatism, cultural conseratism and crunchy conservatism.



banjojack wrote:
Fairly accurate. I would add caveats to "Liberal" and "Conservative," two of the most used and least understood on this forum. There are two main types of Liberal, or, rather, two definitions, and the same can be said of Conservative.
Your first definition of "Liberal" is the original, as per John Locke and, to a lesser degree, John Stewart Mill. Locke, especially, quantified this definition.
The definition of Conservative is also correct to a point. There is another definition of Conservative which describes someone who favors very powerful central government, and concentration of authority. In other words, a current left wing Democrat. The connotation of "Liberal" now seems to be one who favors a Socialistic approach, feeling somehow that a powerful government is more able to decide what is best for you than you are able to decide for yourself. I would modify the "tending to oppose change." It is more like a philosophy of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Fairly accurate. I would add caveats to "Libe... (show quote)

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Feb 3, 2014 16:45:49   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here are the definations of a number of basic words that are routinely thrown around on this site and misused with little t***h understanding or accuracy. Wouldn't it make sense if posters would agree to convey ideas with a basic understanding of the language they are using, and at least avoid screwing up the use of these very basic political terms.

Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

C*******m:  a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production.

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

Liberal:  Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Conservative:  Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Here are the definations of a number of basic word... (show quote)


U are a BSer. None of this post is accurate./ U are nothing but a left wing nut spinner. Get real!

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Feb 3, 2014 17:14:51   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Billhuggins wrote:
U are a BSer. None of this post is accurate./ U are nothing but a left wing nut spinner. Get real!


As a matter of fact, the post is accurate. I rarely agree with Kevyn, but fair is fair. A little sparse, but certainly true.

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Feb 3, 2014 18:23:41   #
Comment Loc: California
 
banjojack wrote:
As a matter of fact, the post is accurate. I rarely agree with Kevyn, but fair is fair. A little sparse, but certainly true.


Not true. The adm of production is full blown c*******m. I have read the C*******t Manifesto many times and controlling the means of production is one of theuir planks. It's sad when U all don't know when you have become C*******T.

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Feb 4, 2014 08:01:42   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
I tolerate you Roy and I have been called Libtard and F*g by others. I don't bother anyone who doesn't bother me first. What am I?
oldroy wrote:
Conservative Butthead is an excellent example of the tolerance of liberals. Wasn't that one of the main words in Kevyn's good words about liberals. They keep talking about tolerance of others' ideas but never exhibit much of same.

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Feb 4, 2014 11:40:18   #
67p5065
 
Unclet wrote:
More appropriately, where this administration is concerned "if it ain't broke, just wait".


yes just wait we will fix it until it is bent and broken

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Feb 5, 2014 13:52:58   #
Neal
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here are the definations of a number of basic words that are routinely thrown around on this site and misused with little t***h understanding or accuracy. Wouldn't it make sense if posters would agree to convey ideas with a basic understanding of the language they are using, and at least avoid screwing up the use of these very basic political terms.

Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

C*******m:  a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production.

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

Liberal:  Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Conservative:  Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Here are the definations of a number of basic word... (show quote)


Oh Kevyn, you've written something sensible!!! I'm looking forward to the infantile comment from the tea-sotted folks.

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Feb 5, 2014 13:53:53   #
Neal
 
MrEd wrote:
While I agree that there are misunderstandings here, it is more on your part. I think you need to take a course on reading comprehension so you know just exactly what it is that people are writing about and what they are trying to say. Using these words is not wrong, IF you know the idea behind what the author is trying to convey. I have used every one of the words except conservative, but you don't seem to understand what is being said. Most people on here that use these words know full well what they mean and use them because it best describes what they want to say.
While I agree that there are misunderstandings her... (show quote)


Hey MrEd - love that photoshopped B-17!

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