George Beck

I'm going to propose an idea to those of you on here who are legitimate and would actually like to have intelligent discussion with intelligent people, despite their political affiliation.

There is a certain new (within the last few years) despicable breed of U.S. Constitution hating vermin, that lurks the forums, comment threads of articles, movie and book reviews, etc., whose sole intention is to stir up emotional fervor, block rational discussion, and more generally, spread deceit.

Google "astroturf internet" for an abundant discussion and list of resources on this, or wade through the above stated outlets on your own for firsthand examples.

A successful day for them is to muddy the waters of dialogue and never let logic pervade. When fact becomes blurred, it only feeds the agenda of the ones who intentionally blur.

How to spot this? Here is a simple formula: If a review or comment is emotionally charged, mudslinging and lacking real discussion of actual issues, it's suspect of being one of these rascals. And everything they post should be ignored until they can prove themselves to have a real issue to discuss, not just a place to vent their vile, anti-american spume.

Particularly shocking is the t***sparency, yet we all have turned a blind eye on it to some extent or another, and explained it away as "a few bad eggs that aren't intelligent enough to debate so they throw mud to mask this or who never grew up and still shout irrationalities like children on a playground". But deny it no more.

The pattern appears to be a strong association between this tactic and a certain set of views: pro-corporate, anti-tax, anti-regulation, anti-thought, anti-everything. "The government is trying to rule you, never mind that we're asking you to surrender logic to us by believing everything we say. We're not trying to think for you, we swear..."

The whole concept is astoundingly absurd. Both traditional conservatives and traditional progressives tend to be more willing to discuss an issue than these ultra right-wing scoundrels, many of whom seek to shut down debate (and if it's left-wing boloney, the same applies. Nonsense is nonsense, and has no place in the political arena anymore).

We need to band together and expose the mendacious liars for what they are. And ignore their posts entirely, as if it was written by an angry toddler throwing a tantrum and hitting random keys, then hitting send. Which is of course what they are (no offense to toddlers, of course).

If they want write posts against us, to each other, etc., who cares (until forum Moderators step up to put a stop to this). It must be viewed as just black smoke blowing by the battlefield of reason, instead of spending even an ounce of energy "combating" their treacherous, anti-americanism.

Call it chicanery, sophistry, or wh**ever you wish, but arguing with emotionally driven, discussion hating, fact obscuring denial-bots is just a plain waste of time. See it for what it is and let's leave them behind to scheme and blow smoke amongst themselves until they realize no one is paying attention anymore. We'll work TOGETHER to rebuild a new country of integrity ourselves.

As Mark Twain said, "Never argue with stupid people, they will d**g you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

What is particularly heinous is that this chips away, and perhaps crumbles finally, our trust of big business/the wealthy class (who supports this financially) and politicians (who reguritate and perpetuate the rhetoric), which imminently erodes our trust of each other. The worst thing someone can take away from someone else is their trust of one another, or that the powers that be aren't acting in the general populations best interest.

Do some research for yourself and learn about the methods used by the devious factions, which is rapidly growing unfortunately.

This "diatribe" is not in anyway a demonizing of republicans or the right-wing in general. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's a constitutional right. But we're not entitled to fact obscuring deceit or outright lies. When we all differ, we should be able to discuss the real issues and help each other to see things from one another's perspective. If we still disagree, then so be it. At least we are making a case based on FACT, not RHETORIC. And not intentionally deceiving and attempting to sway one another through f**e reviews, propaganda, or worse, using methods of coersion and plain lying to influence each other and imminently our political sphere to the gains of the fraudulent. This has quite dire consequnces, which there shouldn't be a need to point out here.

Is whipping people into a fervor by these means really what we want our world to be like? Sadly, looking over the above stated posting places, it clearly illustrates that's the way things already are, and have been for some time (this dates back at least 4 years by my research), but when one is raised in this type of environment, it isn't always easy for some of us to separate out that many of our ideas, or worse, our entire realities have been manipulated.

While this concept is obvious to some, it is more subtle to others.

Presenting people facts about the issues is far different than playing their emotions through the repetition of sound bites through various medias; that is a form of control. I for one don't want to live in a society that uses such measures, indeed spends much of their time scheming up new ones. And I'm sure if everyone knew the extent to which that is done, they wouldn't either.

If someone disagrees with what I am saying, let's debate the facts. Prove it right or prove it wrong. Don't scream and holler and bring commotion to it that gets us nowhere and keeps us spinning in circles. In fact, it takes us further from the t***h, which seems is their point. I'm done addressing such balderdash.

Most of the sensible, rational population (what's left anyway) has the urge to grab the people following these tricksters and shake them saying, "you i***ts, wake up!", but we have to resist this urge and see it for what it is. Generally good (if confused) people who are looking for anything to latch onto that smells of a possible solution to their hardships. They've been lied to, mislead, and brainwashed. Many are simply victims of the scheme, not initiators of it.

For those able to see this for yourselves already and who are disheartened, keep your mind open and your chin up. Sadly, these are manipulated times we live in. Be very skeptical of all the nonsensical, fact obscuring rhetoric these lowlife's spew.

P.s. A final note to the deceptive posters for wasting so much of mine and other people's time: Have fun trying to squash free thought, all you brainwashed Denial-bots! I love it when you get your panties in a bind every time the t***h comes out. You guys crack me up!!! : P

pana Loc: are we there yet?

Both parties are the same set up to be a smoke screen.
“I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an e******n….It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!”

- George W. Malone (1890-1961), Senator (R-NV), speaking before Congress, 1957.
They are all sock puppets of the World Bank and its little brother the Federal Reserve.

Kevyn

It is very difficult to educate stupid, but pretty easy to use it to your advantage. Through the magic of the Internet a popularly elected well educated,mainstream Christian, centerest Democrat is turned into Barry Odumbo! Kenyan born c****e leader of the Muslum Brotherhood the crack smoking murderous gun grabbin dictator of the new world order. And guess what? the sheeple following the lame stream media are having the wool pulled over their eyes and just don't notice the obvious! As our nations demographics change the Republicans need to whip these nuts on the fringe into a frenzy and keep a straight face in the process, so far the plan is working.

sepurcell43

Unfortunately they victimize themselves by eventually believing in their own lies. Hitler was good at that, if you tell a lie long enough and load enough everyone will finally believe it.

Comment Loc: California

:thumbup: May I add that there are a bunch of RINOs ion bed with them, like John McCain and others.

Duckie

Deception and stirring the pot is the way of the Democrats. They seem to be so blinded by the BS coming out of Obama, that they can see nothing clearly. To most of the Democrats, they think that lying is excusable as long as the person who is doing the lying is Obama. They think that millions of Americans loosing insurance, jobs, and life styles is acceptable collateral damage. They accept no blame, they are offer no apology when they remove the liberties of Americans. Yes, they should research more of what is happening to middle America at the hands of this administration.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

It's called, the end justifies the means. They are allowed to use any means to get the results they want. I tend to ignore them most of the time, but I will admit to getting ticked off at them at times. Mostly when they get personal. One thing I have noticed is, they are good at ticking people off. They are also masters of foul language and have a tendency to get carried away with it at times. That ticks me off too, especially when they are replying to a lady.

One thing I don't think you will ever get them to do is research anything that you may agree with. They are not interested in agreeing with you, they want to start something and in a lot of cases they do. I tend to ignore the post if it has degraded to the point that it no longer has anything of value to say and is just argument, but from now on, I think I will just ignore all of their posts if I can.

Ricko Loc: Florida

Mr. Beck-if you are embarrassed by being a republican how would you feel if you were a democrat ? Unless the republicans find a way of uniting the party they will probably not be able to take the Senate and could lose their advantage in the House. That scenario, with Hillary as president, would mean at least six more years of status quo. From a republican standpoint we need to get the RINOs out but , unless the States begin recalling them, we have to wait until their term is up. Boehner and Cantor need to get to work and the TEA party needs to be more realistic in their demands. If not, the democrats win and Obama and Reid have full reign for three more years . Good Luck America !!!

Duckie

You have provided me, once again, with advice that I can live by. That is, when it gets nasty; to bail. I would love to discuss issues, which is quite hard to do with the Democrats on this site. When you supply references that is included and quoted from a government source or from a recognized book, they either start with the race issue or use unnecessary name calling. If you continue to act civil, and provide further references then they stop responding. So they end any possible discussion. They appear to enjoy their own voices.

Thank you Mr. Ed, yet again!
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wishamako1

I wish I could write as well as you Mr Beck but it seems that's all we do , everyone knows that, Me being a republican am proud to be because Im on the other side, if America v**es another Democrat in then we deserve wh**ever it is that hurts this great nation, but we need to do more than talk about it, we need to act, make these people accountable for their responsibilities to this country its like any job, you fail at your duties they replace you and that's what need to make happen, every American in this nation has a say so and if we all got together we could change some of the problems we are facing at this time

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

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alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

I just wonder what you find so un-realistic about obeying the constitution which is what the T.E.A. party ask

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

we have term limit's as a maximum of eight years not as a minimum so why is it that no matter how bad they are we give them eight years to really screw things up

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

I received this email this morning. I think it is very interesting and don't feel that it is a wasted rant but rateher a intelligent statement of opinion.

Want to know why citizens who work for a living dislike those who v**e for a living? This guy hits the nail on the head!

Subject: TWO AMERICAS

In early January 2014, Bob Lonsberry, a Rochester talk radio personality on WHAM 1180 AM, said this in response to Obama's "income ine******y speech":


Two Americas

The Democrats are right, there are two Americas.

The America that works and the America that doesn't;
the America that contributes and the America that doesn't.

It's not the haves and the have nots, it's the dos and the don'ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society, and others don't. That's the divide in America.

It's not about income ine******y, it's about civic irresponsibility.

It's about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office.
It's about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country. That's not invective, that's t***h, and it's about time someone said it.

The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting "income ine******y." He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that's not just.

That is the rationale of thievery. The other guy has it, you want it, and Obama will take it for you. V**e Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit. It is the e*******l philosophy that is destroying America.

It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.
The Democrats have not empowered their followers; they have ens***ed them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victimhood and anger instead of ability and hope.

The president's premise - that you reduce income ine******y by debasing the successful - seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices.

Because, by and large, income variations in society are a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely and responsibility have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure. Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income.

You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college - and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education.

You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course.

Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.

My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income ine******y between us. Our lives have had an ine******y of outcome, but, our lives also have had an ine******y of effort. While my doctor went to college and then dev**ed his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant.

He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine.

Does that mean he c***ted and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.

It is not ine******y Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure.

The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy.

Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime's worth of asinine and shortsighted decisions.

Barack Obama and the Democrats preach e******y of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring ine******y of effort.

The simple Law of the Harvest - as ye sow, so shall ye reap - is sometimes applied as, "The harder you work, the more you get." Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society.

Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster e******y through mediocrity.

He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the v**es of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes; it is divided by the differences in our efforts. It is a false philosophy to say one man's success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man's victimization.

What Obama offered was not a solution, but separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That's what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow.

Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the t***h to Lincoln's maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Hitler did the same thing in the thirties. Give them someone or some person to h**e ( He used the Jews, he told the German people that the reason they were poor was because the Jews had all the money, and they got it illigally). What Hitler did not have was (political Corrnestness) the liberals had this in place when he Became President.

pana Loc: are we there yet?

Thanks I posted it on http://defendingthet***h.com/

Of course it will start the name calling and hatred spewing but Ive gotten to where I figure if Im not getting pummeled then Im probably going to easy on them.