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Feb 1, 2014 14:30:42   #
BobDew
 
I have always been taught that it is just as easy to disable as it is to k**l IE:disable by shooting the knees when a person is advancing without a weapon.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:34:09   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
So, according to you, it is OK to disable a man for life simply because you have a gun and he is not showing his (if he has one)..Very interesting.

BobDew wrote:
I have always been taught that it is just as easy to disable as it is to k**l IE:disable by shooting the knees when a person is advancing without a weapon.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:39:39   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Winter Solstice wrote:
So, according to you, it is OK to disable a man for life simply because you have a gun and he is not showing his (if he has one)..Very interesting.


Perhaps we should wait for more clarity from Bob as just what he means.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:40:22   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
BobDew wrote:
I have always been taught that it is just as easy to disable as it is to k**l IE:disable by shooting the knees when a person is advancing without a weapon.


I think that you should explain your self a bit better.

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Feb 1, 2014 16:56:47   #
deweyh
 
Wow bob lets split hairs'!! Dah

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Feb 1, 2014 17:01:37   #
Rebel
 
Most folks don't possess the shooting sk**l to selectively disable an aggressor. In any situation where your life is in danger, ALWAYS shoot to k**l !!! If the aggressor lives thru
the ordeal so be it. It simply means that you should go to the range more often to improve your accuracy.

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Feb 1, 2014 18:57:32   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
You're saying that most of us couldn't hit the side of a barn. I disagree. Just as soon as you are shown which end of the gun the bullet comes out and what the sights are for, Joe average American could hit either the k*****g areas or wounding areas at will. Even the klutz could do it given time to squeeze the trigger several times.

Rebel wrote:
Most folks don't possess the shooting sk**l to selectively disable an aggressor. In any situation where your life is in danger, ALWAYS shoot to k**l !!! If the aggressor lives thru
the ordeal so be it. It simply means that you should go to the range more often to improve your accuracy.

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Feb 1, 2014 21:39:15   #
Rebel
 
You're living in a tree, Winter Solstice.

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Feb 1, 2014 23:12:16   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
BobDew wrote:
I have always been taught that it is just as easy to disable as it is to k**l IE:disable by shooting the knees when a person is advancing without a weapon.


I h**e to say this, but you were taught wrong. Now if you are at a range and have time to aim at someone properly, then yes, it is just as easy to hit a knee as it is to hit the heart. However, if you ever get into a situation where you or you families life is on the line, I think you will find that the target practice goes out the window. You have a VERY small window to act in and your action can mean your life or that of your families.

Then there is the possibility of the rat being on drugs. He may not even feel a hit to the leg. I know of one man that was hit 9 times in the chest area with 9mm and kept returning fire. None of them were heart shots, but would have been fatal given enough time. What finally put him down was 3 slugs from a 12ga shotgun.

Another thing. If he is advancing without a weapon, why are you shooting him to begin with?? There is this little thing called disparity of force and that can get you locked up for a VERY long time. If you just shoot him in the knee, then you are open to a law suite and in most cases you will loose. So now you are not only going to be locked up for a long time, you will be paying this guy for the rest of your life.

Now there are any number of reasons for shooting someone, but you better know what you are doing. I would strongly advise you to get a new instructor. This guy sounds like he will get you jailed for a very long time, if not k**led. I think he is giving you some very bad information and I would look elsewhere for an instructor. This guy doesn't seem to know what he is talking about.

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Feb 1, 2014 23:22:53   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Winter Solstice wrote:
You're saying that most of us couldn't hit the side of a barn. I disagree. Just as soon as you are shown which end of the gun the bullet comes out and what the sights are for, Joe average American could hit either the k*****g areas or wounding areas at will. Even the klutz could do it given time to squeeze the trigger several times.


I think you are wrong. If you look at police shootings, you will see that there are many more shots fired that miss then ones that hit. In most cases, you are not going to be given the time to squeeze off a few. A man can cross the average living room is less then a second, so where are you going to get all this time to squeeze off a few rounds? Given the training that most people get, they will also miss that guy coming at them. Most shootings happen at 10 feet of less, so you are just not going to have the time you think you will. How long will that klutz live in an encounter with the average bad guy?? I think if you will check, that klutz is just a walking dead man if he ever has an encounter with a bad guy. I think you too need to go to school and get a good instructor in shooting.

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Feb 1, 2014 23:29:05   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Rebel wrote:
Most folks don't possess the shooting sk**l to selectively disable an aggressor. In any situation where your life is in danger, ALWAYS shoot to k**l !!! If the aggressor lives thru
the ordeal so be it. It simply means that you should go to the range more often to improve your accuracy.


I couldn't agree more. If you are ever forced to shoot, there is no time or reason to shoot to wound. You also don't shoot once and then stand there and see what effect it has on him.

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Feb 2, 2014 00:15:03   #
Rebel
 
Right on, Mr Ed !!! This is a game where he who hesitates
loses. I'd rather be alive and take my chances with 12 jurors than be carried off by 6 pall bearers to an early grave.

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Feb 2, 2014 11:49:40   #
7839coble16
 
If you feel you have to shoot someone, anyone, you must be able to prove that to the police and in a court of law.Then there is the civil court that does not need 12 people for a verdict. What you say and what attitude you display when the police arrive is also very important. If you display a macho attitude that will come out in court. You must always say that you were in fear for your or someone elses life and prove it in court.

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Feb 2, 2014 13:38:06   #
Rebel
 
Great post, and excellent advice !!!

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Feb 2, 2014 14:58:49   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Rebel wrote:
Most folks don't possess the shooting sk**l to selectively disable an aggressor. In any situation where your life is in danger, ALWAYS shoot to k**l !!! If the aggressor lives thru
the ordeal so be it. It simply means that you should go to the range more often to improve your accuracy.


Rebel: Most people don't understand "Dear Fever" I've always said if in question ...Three warning shots through the liver will get the perpetrater's attention! “It’s a hell of a thing k**lin’ a man. You take away all he’s got, and all he’s ever gonna have.”
- Clint Eastwood

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