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Is the Democrats' brand 'worse than Trump'? Some party officials admit it is
Jun 22, 2017 10:40:07   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, made some candid comments that caught my eye yesterday.

When he’s back home, Murphy said, he sometimes chats people up on a commuter bus, and “they are never talking about issues like Russia. They are not talking, frankly, what’s on cable news at night.”

And then, in the “Morning Joe” interview, he took a whack at his own party: “The fact that we have spent so much time talking about Russia has been a distraction from what should be the clear contrast between Democrats and the Trump agenda, which is on economics.”

Bingo. Running mainly against Donald Trump didn’t work for the Dems in 2016, and it’s not working now.

The news peg for these recriminations, of course, is the Democrats losing Tuesday’s special e******n for a House seat in Georgia. I never spent much time on that race because I never believed that Jon Ossoff, despite raising $25 million, was going to win in a heavily Republican district that he didn’t even live in.

But since the media collectively declared it a referendum on Trump—and would have gone haywire if Ossoff had won—there is a reckoning about what the Democratic Party stands for.

Ohio Democratic congressman Tim Ryan told the New York Times that his party is “toxic” in large swaths of the country: “Our brand is worse than Trump. We can’t just run against Trump.”

The president, for his part, tweeted that “the Special E******ns are over and those that want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN are 5 and O! All the F**e News, all the money spent = 0.”

This reminds me of the endless debates after Hillary Clinton’s loss about why she didn’t have much of an economic message.

I wrote yesterday about how the special counsel’s investigation of President Trump now dominates the media and political culture. But to the extent that the Democrats use much of their energy bashing Trump, they are failing to connect with v**ers who aren’t addicted to Beltway scandals.

Times conservative Ross Douthat says the party’s problem is that while the country has moved left, the Democrats have moved even more left:

“On immigration, for instance, public opinion had actually become modestly more liberal in the years leading up to Trump — but the Democrats are now almost an open-borders party, so even modest skepticism about immigration tends to push v**ers toward the Republicans. On a******n, where public opinion has been stable, Democrats have ditched their old attempts at moderation, undercutting the gains that secularization and the liberal turn on other culture-war issues should have naturally delivered them. And the party’s base has no patience anymore for the kind of careful triangulation that Bill Clinton practiced on issues like crime and welfare policy, or for the then-Democratic v**ers who were reassured by it.”

We in the press always hype special e******ns. It would not have been a crucial blow to Trump if Ossoff had won in Georgia, and it’s not a devastating blow to Democrats that, despite raising $25 million, he couldn’t win in a heavily Republican district.

But his loss could serve as a wakeup call for liberals who think the Trump presidency is so disastrous that they’re on track to win the House next year. That may prove to be a mirage.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/22/is-democrats-brand-worse-than-trump-some-party-officials-admit-it-is.html

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Jun 22, 2017 11:19:00   #
Bevos
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, made some candid comments that caught my eye yesterday.

When he’s back home, Murphy said, he sometimes chats people up on a commuter bus, and “they are never talking about issues like Russia. They are not talking, frankly, what’s on cable news at night.”

And then, in the “Morning Joe” interview, he took a whack at his own party: “The fact that we have spent so much time talking about Russia has been a distraction from what should be the clear contrast between Democrats and the Trump agenda, which is on economics.”

Bingo. Running mainly against Donald Trump didn’t work for the Dems in 2016, and it’s not working now.

The news peg for these recriminations, of course, is the Democrats losing Tuesday’s special e******n for a House seat in Georgia. I never spent much time on that race because I never believed that Jon Ossoff, despite raising $25 million, was going to win in a heavily Republican district that he didn’t even live in.

But since the media collectively declared it a referendum on Trump—and would have gone haywire if Ossoff had won—there is a reckoning about what the Democratic Party stands for.

Ohio Democratic congressman Tim Ryan told the New York Times that his party is “toxic” in large swaths of the country: “Our brand is worse than Trump. We can’t just run against Trump.”

The president, for his part, tweeted that “the Special E******ns are over and those that want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN are 5 and O! All the F**e News, all the money spent = 0.”

This reminds me of the endless debates after Hillary Clinton’s loss about why she didn’t have much of an economic message.

I wrote yesterday about how the special counsel’s investigation of President Trump now dominates the media and political culture. But to the extent that the Democrats use much of their energy bashing Trump, they are failing to connect with v**ers who aren’t addicted to Beltway scandals.

Times conservative Ross Douthat says the party’s problem is that while the country has moved left, the Democrats have moved even more left:

“On immigration, for instance, public opinion had actually become modestly more liberal in the years leading up to Trump — but the Democrats are now almost an open-borders party, so even modest skepticism about immigration tends to push v**ers toward the Republicans. On a******n, where public opinion has been stable, Democrats have ditched their old attempts at moderation, undercutting the gains that secularization and the liberal turn on other culture-war issues should have naturally delivered them. And the party’s base has no patience anymore for the kind of careful triangulation that Bill Clinton practiced on issues like crime and welfare policy, or for the then-Democratic v**ers who were reassured by it.”

We in the press always hype special e******ns. It would not have been a crucial blow to Trump if Ossoff had won in Georgia, and it’s not a devastating blow to Democrats that, despite raising $25 million, he couldn’t win in a heavily Republican district.

But his loss could serve as a wakeup call for liberals who think the Trump presidency is so disastrous that they’re on track to win the House next year. That may prove to be a mirage.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/22/is-democrats-brand-worse-than-trump-some-party-officials-admit-it-is.html
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticu... (show quote)


Their WHOLE LIVES seem to be a MIRAGE. And I thought it was $30 M that they BLEW on the Ga. E******n. They, (LIBS) have been TOTALLY DELUSIONAL, about their IMPORTANCE and THEIR IMPACT on AMERICAN V**ERS for a LONG time!!!

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Jun 22, 2017 11:24:49   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
We've got real problems in this country that real Americans face every day. They want to hear solutions not panicked rhetoric about C*****e C****e or how to make energy costs more expensive. The liberals try to control the future while day to day real problems pass them bye.
Bevos wrote:
Their WHOLE LIVES seem to be a MIRAGE. And I thought it was $30 M that they BLEW on the Ga. E******n. They, (LIBS) have been TOTALLY DELUSIONAL, about their IMPORTANCE and THEIR IMPACT on AMERICAN V**ERS for a LONG time!!!

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Jun 23, 2017 10:08:00   #
rebob14
 
JFlorio wrote:
We've got real problems in this country that real Americans face every day. They want to hear solutions not panicked rhetoric about C*****e C****e or how to make energy costs more expensive. The liberals try to control the future while day to day real problems pass them bye.


exactly!!! they try to make us believe we're living in the world they imagine when we can plainly see the lie

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Jun 23, 2017 10:12:54   #
Bevos
 
JFlorio wrote:
We've got real problems in this country that real Americans face every day. They want to hear solutions not panicked rhetoric about C*****e C****e or how to make energy costs more expensive. The liberals try to control the future while day to day real problems pass them bye.


EXACTLY!! And is the reason they are getting PHASED OUT, one e******n at a time!!!

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Jun 23, 2017 11:37:15   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
Bevos wrote:
EXACTLY!! And is the reason they are getting PHASED OUT, one e******n at a time!!!


For conservatives this is the best thing that has happened in years. Lib/Dem's have absolutely NO plan, vision, dreams or agenda for making America great. All they have since last November are baseless accusations, innuendo, obfuscation and outright lies. Fortunately the 'clear thinking' v**ers have seen this, as evidenced by the P**********l E******n and the subsequent 5 special e******ns filling vacancies that were brought into President Trump's Administration. The libs spent untold millions in the Georgia special e******n with a no name who didn't even live in the district resulting in abject failure, running a campaign on their anti-Trump hyperbole.

I see where obama is campaigning in VA, http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/339065-obama-plans-to-campaign-for-va-dem-gov-nominee and I expect the dems to pull out anything and everything to prevent the state from turning to Gillespie the GOP candidate. You can expect the wealthy 1% big money lib donors to pour out of state money into this race simply because if they lose it would again be disastrous for them and their party.

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Jun 23, 2017 11:55:25   #
Big Bass
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticut, made some candid comments that caught my eye yesterday.

When he’s back home, Murphy said, he sometimes chats people up on a commuter bus, and “they are never talking about issues like Russia. They are not talking, frankly, what’s on cable news at night.”

And then, in the “Morning Joe” interview, he took a whack at his own party: “The fact that we have spent so much time talking about Russia has been a distraction from what should be the clear contrast between Democrats and the Trump agenda, which is on economics.”

Bingo. Running mainly against Donald Trump didn’t work for the Dems in 2016, and it’s not working now.

The news peg for these recriminations, of course, is the Democrats losing Tuesday’s special e******n for a House seat in Georgia. I never spent much time on that race because I never believed that Jon Ossoff, despite raising $25 million, was going to win in a heavily Republican district that he didn’t even live in.

But since the media collectively declared it a referendum on Trump—and would have gone haywire if Ossoff had won—there is a reckoning about what the Democratic Party stands for.

Ohio Democratic congressman Tim Ryan told the New York Times that his party is “toxic” in large swaths of the country: “Our brand is worse than Trump. We can’t just run against Trump.”

The president, for his part, tweeted that “the Special E******ns are over and those that want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN are 5 and O! All the F**e News, all the money spent = 0.”

This reminds me of the endless debates after Hillary Clinton’s loss about why she didn’t have much of an economic message.

I wrote yesterday about how the special counsel’s investigation of President Trump now dominates the media and political culture. But to the extent that the Democrats use much of their energy bashing Trump, they are failing to connect with v**ers who aren’t addicted to Beltway scandals.

Times conservative Ross Douthat says the party’s problem is that while the country has moved left, the Democrats have moved even more left:

“On immigration, for instance, public opinion had actually become modestly more liberal in the years leading up to Trump — but the Democrats are now almost an open-borders party, so even modest skepticism about immigration tends to push v**ers toward the Republicans. On a******n, where public opinion has been stable, Democrats have ditched their old attempts at moderation, undercutting the gains that secularization and the liberal turn on other culture-war issues should have naturally delivered them. And the party’s base has no patience anymore for the kind of careful triangulation that Bill Clinton practiced on issues like crime and welfare policy, or for the then-Democratic v**ers who were reassured by it.”

We in the press always hype special e******ns. It would not have been a crucial blow to Trump if Ossoff had won in Georgia, and it’s not a devastating blow to Democrats that, despite raising $25 million, he couldn’t win in a heavily Republican district.

But his loss could serve as a wakeup call for liberals who think the Trump presidency is so disastrous that they’re on track to win the House next year. That may prove to be a mirage.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/22/is-democrats-brand-worse-than-trump-some-party-officials-admit-it-is.html
Chris Murphy, a Democratic senator from Connecticu... (show quote)


Are we starting to see the death throes of the democratic party? In past years, we would have seen the opposition party state clearly their agenda for when they regained the White House. Now, this is all I know about democratic-party policies:-
On the economy = Impeach Trump.
On foreign relations = Impeach Trump.
On racial relations = Impeach Trump.
On health care = Impeach Trump, etc., etc., etc.
Do the democrats really believe this is how to run the country? The Georgia e******n result, I believe, shouts "NO!!" Average Joe America ain't that stupid.

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Jun 23, 2017 12:48:45   #
Bevos
 
Big Bass wrote:
Are we starting to see the death throes of the democratic party? In past years, we would have seen the opposition party state clearly their agenda for when they regained the White House. Now, this is all I know about democratic-party policies:-
On the economy = Impeach Trump.
On foreign relations = Impeach Trump.
On racial relations = Impeach Trump.
On health care = Impeach Trump, etc., etc., etc.
Do the democrats really believe this is how to run the country? The Georgia e******n result, I believe, shouts "NO!!" Average Joe America ain't that stupid.
Are we starting to see the death throes of the dem... (show quote)



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