4th Branch - Convention of States Article V
Jun 12, 2017 23:55:20 #
Course of Action
Convention of States
Please take note, that although the goals of COS are laudable, the question remains.
What makes you think "they" are going to "listen" to us this time and follow the "rules" of ANY new amendment?
I have personally proposed 43 new Amendments to the existing document(s). I know that Jon Roland has proposed over thirty changes he would see made. The problem is that calling a convention with the stated goal of tying down the hands of Govco, Inc. to the edicts and restrictions of a document they are currently ignoring is bound to end up fruitless if we can't muster massive enforcement capabilities.
IE - The M*****a - The Fourth Branch of governing "of, by and for the people". With an enforcement arm in place, we could repair the damage. We could address Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, of the Constitution. This would place over ten thousand new people in Congress, with not one Representative serving any more than thirty thousand constituents and assembling to pass laws for about 6 weeks a year and getting paid only for the days they work. That way ordinary citizens could serve and still keep their regular jobs if they wished. There would be:
NO retirement bennies,
NO special treatment under the law,
NO bribery for access to great power,
NO special privileges,
NO special health plan,
NO private schools,
NO check floating,
NO corruption of our voice.
Regular people would fill those seats and would have a very simple and small office placed within walking distance of every one of their constituents. They would only pass laws for 6 weeks of the year, barring any emergency sessions. They would be paid quite well compared to the national average and could easily afford to attend these sessions. After all there is very little for a "limited" government to do, so their work could easily be done within the prescribed 6 weeks.
To accomplish this I believe we need to distribute petitions within our own counties to elect ordinary people to address the need to fill these empty seats. In my County alone, there is a need for 23 new people to be seated. If we need to have an Article V Convention to get something done, then that's what we should do. But if this won't help them listen any better than they do now, then we're wasting our time.
Comments? Questions?
Convention of States
Please take note, that although the goals of COS are laudable, the question remains.
What makes you think "they" are going to "listen" to us this time and follow the "rules" of ANY new amendment?
I have personally proposed 43 new Amendments to the existing document(s). I know that Jon Roland has proposed over thirty changes he would see made. The problem is that calling a convention with the stated goal of tying down the hands of Govco, Inc. to the edicts and restrictions of a document they are currently ignoring is bound to end up fruitless if we can't muster massive enforcement capabilities.
IE - The M*****a - The Fourth Branch of governing "of, by and for the people". With an enforcement arm in place, we could repair the damage. We could address Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, of the Constitution. This would place over ten thousand new people in Congress, with not one Representative serving any more than thirty thousand constituents and assembling to pass laws for about 6 weeks a year and getting paid only for the days they work. That way ordinary citizens could serve and still keep their regular jobs if they wished. There would be:
NO retirement bennies,
NO special treatment under the law,
NO bribery for access to great power,
NO special privileges,
NO special health plan,
NO private schools,
NO check floating,
NO corruption of our voice.
Regular people would fill those seats and would have a very simple and small office placed within walking distance of every one of their constituents. They would only pass laws for 6 weeks of the year, barring any emergency sessions. They would be paid quite well compared to the national average and could easily afford to attend these sessions. After all there is very little for a "limited" government to do, so their work could easily be done within the prescribed 6 weeks.
To accomplish this I believe we need to distribute petitions within our own counties to elect ordinary people to address the need to fill these empty seats. In my County alone, there is a need for 23 new people to be seated. If we need to have an Article V Convention to get something done, then that's what we should do. But if this won't help them listen any better than they do now, then we're wasting our time.
Comments? Questions?
Jun 13, 2017 02:07:55 #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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You want to put 10,000 more people in government and think that it will remain limited? Sici you are dreaming, no, you are having a nightmare, for that's what it would be if ever enacted...
Jun 13, 2017 02:17:42 #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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If we are going to dream, why not set it up so they have a running mate in all elected offices. Then if we don't like the job they are doing, we can fire them and the next kid gets his shoot at it. We the people should set their pay, and if they get a rais in pay, it would have to come from their constituents, not them v****g for one. I mean for real, you think someone will v**e down a rais, and really mean it?
Jun 13, 2017 05:18:03 #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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-----------i say why cant the people in government why cant they run the country for the betterment for the people here .seem like when the government gets involved they make things worse !!!!! there not for us there only in it for themselves !!!!!!
Jun 13, 2017 10:22:33 #
PeterS wrote:
You want to put 10,000 more people in government and think that it will remain limited? Sici you are dreaming, no, you are having a nightmare, for that's what it would be if ever enacted...
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I dont want anything, I just want my Republic re instated and the Foreign Interest Crown removed...
I'll try almost anything at this point...
There is no perfect approach yet... so back off and grab some Popcorn, you don't have a perfect solution either.
Jun 13, 2017 10:23:53 #
Rainrider wrote:
If we are going to dream, why not set it up so they have a running mate in all elected offices. Then if we don't like the job they are doing, we can fire them and the next kid gets his shoot at it. We the people should set their pay, and if they get a rais in pay, it would have to come from their constituents, not them v****g for one. I mean for real, you think someone will v**e down a rais, and really mean it?
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I just don't know, I'm just sharing info passed onto me from other Groups.
Anything is worth a try vs. all out Civil War which is exactly what I know is coming and Fast too.
Jun 13, 2017 10:25:08 #
meridianlesilie wrote:
-----------i say why cant the people in government why cant they run the country for the betterment for the people here .seem like when the government gets involved they make things worse !!!!! there not for us there only in it for themselves !!!!!!
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Because they don't make policy or shaping according to the Constitution.
for a Factual revelation you can research how many assholes in offices have never read or studied our constitution.
It gets worse from there.
Jun 13, 2017 13:09:12 #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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I just don't know, I'm just sharing info passed onto me from other Groups.
Anything is worth a try vs. all out Civil War which is exactly what I know is coming and Fast too.
I just don't know, I'm just sharing info passed onto me from other Groups.
Anything is worth a try vs. all out Civil War which is exactly what I know is coming and Fast too.
I hope not. War should be a last ditch effort. Not everything has been tried yet, at lest I don't think so.
Jun 13, 2017 16:05:24 #
Rainrider wrote:
I hope not. War should be a last ditch effort. Not everything has been tried yet, at lest I don't think so.
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Noted but what else can be tried that doesn't require full Battle Rattle Enforcement by a Citizens M*****a to enforce the reversals of such actions ?
This is the part where mostly all attempts are going to fail and I'm going to prove it to you guys sadly.
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