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Must One Believe in the Infallibility of the Bible in Order to be a Christian ?
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05/12/2017 Must One Believe in the Infallibility of the Bible in Order to be a Christian?

Josh Daffern
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/newwineskins/must-one-believe-infallibility-bible-order-christian/?


This question was stated by a friend of mine on Facebook recently, and not surprisingly it inspired a vigorous debate.

I jumped in towards the end and want to repost some of my comments here.

But first, let’s understand and acknowledge why even asking this question is so troublesome.

For centuries, there was an assumed belief in the veracity of the holy scriptures, even if you weren’t necessarily a Christian.

In the past century, that implicit respect has eroded.

Secondly,

The track record of Christians that have questioned the infallibility of Scripture is not a good one.

Once belief in the Bible is rejected, history has seen a pretty quick path to heresy.

But here’s why this question (as properly defined) is important:

In today’s increasingly secular world, non-Christians are taught and indoctrinated with an inherent skepticism towards Scripture.

Evolutionists would cite proof that Genesis is a fable.

Archaeologists would question the historicity of the story of Exodus.

If you weren’t raised in church, in Sunday School, with a foundational assumption that the Bible is true, accepting all of the miracles and the historicity of the biblical narratives can be a steep hill to climb.

And if belief in all the Bible is necessary for salvation, then creating even reasonable doubt over one portion of the Bible disproves all of it.

At that point the Bible becomes a house of cards:

Disprove one section and the whole thing comes tumbling down.

(I’ve written previously on this subject: does a person have to believe Noah’s Ark really happened to be saved?)

Does a Person Have to Believe Noah’s Ark Really Happened to Be Saved?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/newwineskins/does-a-person-have-to-believe-noahs-ark-really-happened-to-be-saved/

Here’s where it’s important to properly define the question.

As stated, the question is whether belief in the infallibility of the Bible is necessary in order to become a Christian.

Many of the comments on the original Facebook debate steered off course and warned of the dangers of heresy if a Christian rejects the authority and infallibility of Scripture.

Those warnings are real and justified, but that’s not the question at hand.

Can a person doubt certain portions of Scripture (the Creation story, for instance) and become a Christian?

Is belief in the infallibility of all the Bible a pre-requisite for salvation, or can it be something that happens afterwards during the discipleship process?

And as stated that way, there really should be no debate:

One does not need to believe in the infallibility in order to become a Christian.

Sounds like heresy?


It’s not.

I’m not talking about an outright rejection of Scripture.

I personally believe in the complete infallibility of Scripture.

But that’s not what made me a Christian.

The Bible is the inspired Word of God, God’s revelation to mankind.

But a book didn’t come down from heaven to die for my sins.

A book didn’t rise from the dead on the third day.

A person did that: Jesus.

This book that Christians so treasure affirms that it is through faith in Christ and Christ alone that saves.

500 years ago there was a Protestant Reformation to guard that simple fact and rebel against a Church that had begun to add additional requirements to salvation.


If you argue that a belief in the infallibility of Scripture is necessary in order to become a Christian, then you are adding an additional requirement to salvation, A

nd you would be more in line with the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages than Martin Luther who famously declared sola fide (faith alone).

Now, where we get mixed up is when we begin to equate the Bible with God.

The Bible is not God.

The Bible is not Jesus.

The Bible is a book.

Jesus is not a book.

Jesus is a person of the triune Godhead, the son of God.

The Bible is not the fourth member of the Trinity.

If you reject some of the claims of the Old Testament, that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re rejecting the person of Jesus, because Jesus is not a book.

This would be an interesting debate to have with Peter, Paul and the multitude of Christians that believed and followed Jesus hundreds of years before the Bible as we know it became canonized at the Council of Carthage in 396 A.D.

The Bible as we now have it (The Protestant Church has 66 books whereas the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches has 73 books, Old and New Testament all bound together with a leather cover and tassle.)

Didn’t become officially recognized by the church at large until nearly 400 years of church history had passed.

So how did those earliest disciples become Christians if belief in the infallibility of the Bible is necessary for salvation?

How did Peter become a Christian when the New Testament hadn’t even been written yet? 

(Interestingly enough, why is it that the most explosive growth in church history happened before we even had a Bible?

My two cents is that once the Bible was canonized, in our minds as a church we replaced the Holy Spirit with a book.
Now, the Bible is incredible and contains the inspired words of God, but the Bible is not God.

Instead of relying on God (Holy Spirit) we’re relying on a book, and they’re two different things).

How Was the Bible Canonized? (Part 1) Audio
https://worldtocome.org/audio/how-was-the-bible-canonized-part-1

How Was the Bible Canonized? (Part 2) Audio
https://worldtocome.org/how-was-the-bible-canonized-part-2

How Was the Bible Canonized? (Part 3) Audio
https://worldtocome.org/audio/how-was-the-bible-canonized-part-3

How Was the Bible Canonized? (Part 4) Audio
https://worldtocome.org/audio/how-was-the-bible-canonized-part-4

How We Got the Bible – Which T***slations Are Best? Is the Bible complete without the Apocrypha or other obscure writings? Does evidence exist that these documents belong in God’s Word?
Many facts about the assembly and preservation of the Bible—called canonization—show God’s guiding hand in the entire process. Section I of this booklet explains the amazing story of how God preserved His Word! Also, God commands us to seek His kingdom first and to search the Scriptures—the Bible—daily.
But how can we do this if it has not been t***slated into the language of the common people? Section II explains which of the 70 English t***slations produced today you should use.
https://rcg.org/books/hwgtb.html

The foundation of our faith is not a book, but an event (the Resurrection) that inspired the book.

Before the New Testament was written.

Peter, Paul and the early church changed the course of human history because of their belief in the resurrection of Jesus.

So, to answer the original question:

One must believe in Jesus Christ for salvation.

That’s it.

In fact, I think that’s actually written somewhere (John 3:16).

John 3:16 New International Version (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+3%3A16&version=NIV

If we add anything else as a pre-requisite for salvation, even something as important as belief in the infallibility of the Bible, we’re the ones wading into heretical waters.

In the end that’s incredible news for anyone wanting to make a meaningful attempt to engage a skeptical world with the gospel of Christ.

We don’t have to get hung up on the six-day creation and the worldwide flood.

Just preach Jesus. Preach his death and resurrection.

If your skeptical friend can believe that, then salvation is right there.

Stick with the four Gospels.

The rest of it will come in time.


The following are some of the so-called “lost books” of the Old Testament:

Apocrypha: In Greek means “hidden” or “secret in origin.”

Between 200 BC and AD 100, many apocryphal writings appeared among the Essene Jews.

Some Catholic t***slations contain the following books, called the Apocrypha: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, and I and II Maccabees.

Besides these books, one portion is inserted in the middle of Daniel 3, titled, and at the end of Daniel is an added chapter

Chapter (3) “Song of the Three Holy Children.”
Chapter (13) called “Susana and the Elders,” and
Chapter (14) called “Bel and the D**gon.”

Book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14)
Book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; II Sam. 1:18)
Book of the Acts of Solomon (I Kgs. 11:41)
Book of Nathan the Prophet (I Chron. 29:29)
Book of Gad the Seer (I Chron. 29:29)
Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite (II Chron. 9:29)
Visions of Iddo the Seer (II Chron. 9:29)

New Testament books

Actually, there are hundreds of apocryphal writings, such as the “Gospel According to the Egyptians,” “Gospel of the Birth of Mary,” “The Apocalypse of the Virgin,” among so many others.

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