AuntiE
Loc: 45th Least Free State
We discussed wedding bands. This should be equally interesting.
Mollie Hemingway
Should married women change their names?
Most of my friends happily change their names and somehow overcome the patriarchal oppression behind it. Other friends have gone with hyphenation (dont do it!), a double last name or retention of a maiden name. All for a variety of reasons. I myself rather like the Spanish naming conventions and wish I had a lengthy name like this one. But heres what I dont get about dont change your name feminism.
1) How is using the name your father and his patriarchal privilege forced on you somehow less oppressive than taking the name of the man you chose to be your husband and the father of your children?
2) If a feminist solution is to give ones children hyphenated names, how does this work out in subsequent generations? Lets say youre Apple Blickensderfer and youve married Moonshine Pollowitz. Your children include one Wilhelmina Blickensderfer-Pollowitz. She meets the love of her life who also has a hyphenated name, Jayden Raaf-Immergut. Their children are then
. what
Olivia and Victor Blickensderfer-PollowitzRaaf-Immergut? I know someone who said his cousins grandkid does indeed have a surname with three hyphens because of exactly this phenomenon.
AuntiE wrote:
We discussed wedding bands. This should be equally interesting.
Mollie Hemingway
Should married women change their names?
Most of my friends happily change their names and somehow overcome the patriarchal oppression behind it. Other friends have gone with hyphenation (dont do it!), a double last name or retention of a maiden name. All for a variety of reasons. I myself rather like the Spanish naming conventions and wish I had a lengthy name like this one. But heres what I dont get about dont change your name feminism.
1) How is using the name your father and his patriarchal privilege forced on you somehow less oppressive than taking the name of the man you chose to be your husband and the father of your children?
2) If a feminist solution is to give ones children hyphenated names, how does this work out in subsequent generations? Lets say youre Apple Blickensderfer and youve married Moonshine Pollowitz. Your children include one Wilhelmina Blickensderfer-Pollowitz. She meets the love of her life who also has a hyphenated name, Jayden Raaf-Immergut. Their children are then
. what
Olivia and Victor Blickensderfer-PollowitzRaaf-Immergut? I know someone who said his cousins grandkid does indeed have a surname with three hyphens because of exactly this phenomenon.
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Good one!! I'm going to give food for thought here.
My last name (maiden) and my husband's last name, second marriage for us both -- the same!! We ARE NOT related!! So, I became (FIRST) after my divorce from #1 kept my first husband's (last name) -- did not want to differentiate my son's last name from mine. Husband #2, will definitely be the LAST one -- so I became (very cumbersome) maiden last name + first hubby's last name (so my son wouldn't feel left out) + same as my maiden name/hubby #2's name. Even the minister who married us had to do a second marriage certificate. For a very long time though, I only used my first husband's last name -- but not #2's last name, because I had real issues with my dad. Hubby #2 finally said he was insulted by my not using "his" last name. I said at that point in time, "did you "consider that while I love my dad, I am not overly fond of him, the man you share a last name with?" He was shocked by that one!!
I say use WH**EVER last name you are comfortable with/wh**ever relationship you are comfortable with. Yes, I gave up. However, I might even suggest that an individual and hubby pick a name that is something of a blend of even middle names if he is willing -- give the children THAT name. A lot of cultures take on the matriarchal name as opposed to patriarchal. My thought -- both last names don't work. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
Searching wrote:
Good one!! I'm going to give food for thought here.
My last name (maiden) and my husband's last name, second marriage for us both -- the same!! We ARE NOT related!! So, I became (FIRST) after my divorce from #1 kept my first husband's (last name) -- did not want to differentiate my son's last name from mine. Husband #2, will definitely be the LAST one -- so I became (very cumbersome) maiden last name + first hubby's last name (so my son wouldn't feel left out) + same as my maiden name/hubby #2's name. Even the minister who married us had to do a second marriage certificate. For a very long time though, I only used my first husband's last name -- but not #2's last name, because I had real issues with my dad. Hubby #2 finally said he was insulted by my not using "his" last name. I said at that point in time, "did you "consider that while I love my dad, I am not overly fond of him, the man you share a last name with?" He was shocked by that one!!
I say use WH**EVER last name you are comfortable with/wh**ever relationship you are comfortable with. Yes, I gave up. However, I might even suggest that an individual and hubby pick a name that is something of a blend of even middle names if he is willing -- give the children THAT name. A lot of cultures take on the matriarchal name as opposed to patriarchal. My thought -- both last names don't work. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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I just finished reading these two posts and am so confused that I think I will pass commenting other than to say that before the female activists of the early 60s got started life was much simpler than today.
oldroy wrote:
I just finished reading these two posts and am so confused that I think I will pass commenting other than to say that before the female activists of the early 60s got started life was much simpler than today.
The "feminine uprising" of the 60's certainly did throw a monkey-wrench into the works, didn't it? I will probably some "nasty" retorts back from that post, don't you think? LOL
:shock: :roll: :thumbup:
oldroy wrote:
I just finished reading these two posts and am so confused that I think I will pass commenting other than to say that before the female activists of the early 60s got started life was much simpler than today.
Well, they don't call it feminine mystique for nothin' :mrgreen: Yeah, it's confusing for me too!!
Searching wrote:
Well, they don't call it feminine mystique for nothin' :mrgreen: Yeah, it's confusing for me too!!
OMG, so I got married last fall and thought we had gotten all of my wife's last married name off of everything. Until last night trying book plane tickets under her account that still had her previous last name. Could be interesting getting her through the TSA check point.
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
OMG, so I got married last fall and thought we had gotten all of my wife's last married name off of everything. Until last night trying book plane tickets under her account that still had her previous last name. Could be interesting getting her through the TSA check point.
What does her driver's license say?
It says the same as mine-"I'm with her"!LOL
Searching wrote:
What does her driver's license say?
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
USpatriot77 wrote:
It says the same as mine-"I'm with her"!LOL
The TSA people will surely demand to be allowed to feel her up to determine which last name belongs to her. They do seem to act like that most of the time.
In exchange for her taking my last name, the Sgt. Major deems it her right/privilege to call me all sorts of 'names', in return!
I call her 'darling'. 'Precious' was too saccharine- sounding. :roll:
slatten49 wrote:
In exchange for her taking my last name, the Sgt. Major deems it her right/privilege to call me all sorts of 'names', in return!
I call her 'darling'. 'Precious' was too saccharine- sounding. :roll:
If your SM is as tough as mine, then, the first word that comes to my mind is , "WHOOPED"! But, I will NEVER in this lifetime admit to it to her!
:shock: :thumbup:
AuntiE
Loc: 45th Least Free State
USpatriot77 wrote:
If your SM is as tough as mine, then, the first word that comes to my mind is , "WHOOPED"! But, I will NEVER in this lifetime admit to it to her!
:shock: :thumbup:
I am going to tell...I am going to tell....ha ha ha! :mrgreen: :twisted:
AuntiE wrote:
I am going to tell...I am going to tell....ha ha ha! :mrgreen: :twisted:
Ha ha ha? What the!
Where is the heh...heh...heh? :hunf:
AuntiE
Loc: 45th Least Free State
slatten49 wrote:
Ha ha ha? What the!
Where is the heh...heh...heh? :hunf:
It is reserved for ........hmmmm..... :mrgreen: :twisted:
AuntiE wrote:
We discussed wedding bands. This should be equally interesting.
Mollie Hemingway
Should married women change their names?
Most of my friends happily change their names and somehow overcome the patriarchal oppression behind it. Other friends have gone with hyphenation (dont do it!), a double last name or retention of a maiden name. All for a variety of reasons. I myself rather like the Spanish naming conventions and wish I had a lengthy name like this one. But heres what I dont get about dont change your name feminism.
1) How is using the name your father and his patriarchal privilege forced on you somehow less oppressive than taking the name of the man you chose to be your husband and the father of your children?
2) If a feminist solution is to give ones children hyphenated names, how does this work out in subsequent generations? Lets say youre Apple Blickensderfer and youve married Moonshine Pollowitz. Your children include one Wilhelmina Blickensderfer-Pollowitz. She meets the love of her life who also has a hyphenated name, Jayden Raaf-Immergut. Their children are then
. what
Olivia and Victor Blickensderfer-PollowitzRaaf-Immergut? I know someone who said his cousins grandkid does indeed have a surname with three hyphens because of exactly this phenomenon.
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auntiE, i believe itz because they read cosmopolition magazine. and for that post last night...i didn't read 'plilosophys man' post before i put that out. i apoligized to him and once again...i'm sorry.
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