One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Even Liberals are Beginning to See the Light!
Page <prev 2 of 13 next> last>>
Jan 22, 2014 10:41:08   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Personally, I don't care if Obama isn't impeached, but I'd sure like to see the damage he's doing limited.




WASHINGTON — Worse than Richard Nixon. An unprecedented abuse of powers. The most un-American president in the nation’s history.

Nat Hentoff does not think much of President Obama.

And now, the famous journalist says it is time to begin looking into impeachment.

Hentoff sees the biggest problem as Obama’s penchant to rule by executive order when he can’t convince Congress to do things his way.

The issue jumped back into the headlines last week when, just before his first Cabinet meeting of 2014, Obama said, “I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone … and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions.”

“Apparently he doesn’t give one damn about the separation of powers,” Hentoff told WND. “Never before in our history has a president done these things.”

And just to make sure everyone knew how extremely serious he regarded the situation, the journalist added, “This is the worst state, I think, the country has ever been in.”


President Barack Obama


Read “The Case for Impeachment” and know why Obama has got to go before America is done for …

Many have regarded Hentoff as the conscience of civil libertarianism and liberalism for decades.

Recognized as one of the foremost authorities on the Bill of Rights and the Supreme Court, Hentoff was a columnist and staff writer with The Village Voice for 51 years, from 1957 until 2008, when his columns began appearing in WND.

Hentoff left the Voice after he looked into the a******n industry, was shocked by what he found and had a falling-out with colleagues.

The First Amendment expert still hews left on many issues, railing against former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, the prison at Guantanamo Bay and the National Defense Authorization Act.

But he hasn’t liked Obama from the start.

“Within a few months after he was elected, I wrote a column saying he was going to be the most destructive, dangerous president we’ve ever had,” he said.

Hentoff said people he’d known for years told him to stop being so negative and to give Obama a chance.

“Well, we’ve given him a chance. I understated the case a little.”

In other words, Hentoff thinks Obama is the most dangerous and destructive president ever.

And, that’s why the veteran journalist thinks it’s time to begin looking into impeachment.

Get the bumper sticker that tells everyone to Impeach Obama!

“He has no right to do these executive orders,” Hentoff insisted, his voice reaching a crescendo of indignation.


Nat Hentoff

He says Obama gets away with it only because there is no outrage in Congress, no coverage by the media and no knowledge by the public.

“He’s in a position now where he figures he’s going to do wh**ever he wants to do.”

In fact, Hentoff said, Obama doesn’t even pretend to care about the separation of powers between the executive branch and Congress anymore, because “He’s the boss and hardly anybody cares enough” to stop him.

The most well-known examples of Obama changing or issuing laws with the stroke of a pen by issuing executive orders include:
•Delaying the employer mandate in Obamacare
•Changing the types of plans available under Obamacare
•Ensuring a******ns would be covered under Obamacare
•Enacting key provisions of the failed Dream Act to halt deportations of i*****l i*******ts
•Enacting stricter gun-control measures
•Sealing p**********l records
•Creating an economic council
•Creating a domestic policy council
•Changing pay grades

As WND previously reported, even the the far left-leaning FactCheck wrote, “It’s true that President Obama is increasingly using his executive powers in the face of staunch Republican opposition in Congress. He’s changed federal policies on immigration and welfare and appointed officials without congressional approval.”

“I would say that never before in our history had a president done these things,” Hentoff mused.

He noted that while Nixon merely claimed that winning an e******n gave him the right to do what he wanted, Obama is actually doing wh**ever he pleases.

The journalist said he doesn’t think any other president has acted so lawlessly as a matter of habit.

“So, if this isn’t a reason for at least the start of an independent investigation that would lead to impeachment, what is?”

Hentoff is baffled that Obama should escape such scrutiny when former President Bill Clinton faced impeachment just for being “a lousy liar.”


President Bill Clinton

A big part of the problem, the journalist believes, is what he calls the utter ignorance of a huge portion of the population, which is not outraged at losing its basic right to be self-governing.

And Obama “doesn’t give a damn, because he can get away with wh**ever he wants.”

That’s why Hentoff called this the worst state the country has ever been in, “Even worse than Woodrow Wilson’s regime, when people could be arrested for speaking German.”

Compounding the problem he says, is the digital age, which has allowed the president to engage in unprecedented domestic spying with the apparatus of the National Security Agency.

WND asked if Obama really posed such a threat, considering he was a professor of constitutional law.

“People forget, he taught a course that he was not fully qualified to teach. But nobody seemed to care,” Hentoff observed.

He also pointed out that as president of the Harvard Law Review Obama never published an article, something that went virtually unnoticed when v**ers considered his qualifications.

“See, that was a case of affirmative-action and people feeling, ‘Hey we ought to do something important, symbolically, and here’s a black guy, and he’s articulate, so we’re gonna do this.’”

Hentoff mentioned that former U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, the man Time Magazine once called “the most doctrinaire and committed civil libertarian ever to sit on the court,” once personally lectured him that “Affirmative-action on a racial basis is a total violation of the 14th Amendment, no doubt about it.”

And, referring to Obama’s presidency, the journalist said, “That’s what that kind of affirmative-action did for us.”

He told WND that he firmly believed the president does not care about due process, the separation of powers, the concept of a self-governing republic or many other basic American ideals.

And that’s why, he said, “What Obama is doing now is about as un-American as you can get.”

Hentoff wanted to make sure no one thought he was engaging in hyperbole.

He said it was literally true that Obama is “the most un-American president we’ve ever had.”

And just to make sure everybody heard him, he added, “I hope the FBI got all of that.”



Hentoff is just the latest public figure to be added to the growing list of those mentioning the possible impeachment of President Obama.

WND has been keeping track, and that list now includes:

Reps. Steve King, R-Iowa; Blake Farenthold, R-Texas; Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas; Rep. Bill Flores, R-Texas; Rep. Duncan H****r, R-Calif.; Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; Rep. Kerry Bentivolio, R-Mich.; Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas; Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla.; Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah; Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C.; Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.; Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; Rep. Trey Radel, R-Fla., and Rep. Ted Yoho, R-

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/liberal-icon-urges-obama-impeachment/#GKaUShBuefHpd2F5.99
Personally, I don't care if Obama isn't impeached,... (show quote)


In the U.S., an executive order is a p**********l policy directive that implements or interprets a federal statute, a constitutional provision, or a treaty without the requirement of congressional approval. As described by TheFreeDictionary:
The president can use [executive orders] to set policy while avoiding public debate and opposition. Presidents have used executive orders to direct a range of activities, including establishing migratory bird refuges; putting Japanese-Americans in internment camps during World War II; discharging civilian government employees who had been disloyal, following World War II; enlarging national forests; prohibiting racial discrimination in housing; pardoning Vietnam War draft evaders; giving federal workers the right to bargain collectively; keeping the federal workplace drug free; and sending U.S. troops to Bosnia.

Historically, executive orders [are] related to routine administrative matters and to the internal operations of federal agencies, such as amending Civil Service Rules and overseeing the administration of public lands. More recently, presidents have used executive orders to carry out legislative policies and programs. As a result, the executive order has become a critical tool in p**********l policy making. For example, President John F. Kennedy used an executive order to eliminate racial discrimination in federally funded housing, President Lyndon B. Johnson acted through an executive order to prohibit discrimination in government contractors' hiring practices, and President Richard M. Nixon used an executive order to set a ninety-day freeze on all prices, rents, wages, and salaries in reaction to rising inflation and unemployment.

Comparison of what has been claimed by many on the Right and the actual number of executive orders:
Name Number claimed: Actual number:
Theodore Roosevelt 3 1,081
Franklin Roosevelt 11 3,522
Harry Truman 5 907
Dwight Eisenhower 2 484
John Kennedy 4 214
Lyndon Johnson 4 325
Richard Nixon 1 346
Gerald Ford 3 169
Jimmy Carter 3 320
Ronald Reagan 5 381
George H.W. Bush 3 166
Bill Clinton 15 364
George W. Bush 62 291
Barack Obama 923 138

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp#mQxpi1ExWFMmqib0.99
This goes back to 2012 but gives you an idea that Obama is no worse than a former presidents as regards executive orders. WND is notoriously unreliable.

We know this Congress is the worst ever, in popularity and job performance. When it refuses to do anything about anything, looks to virtually shut down government, it would be irresponsible for a sitting president not to act where and when he was legally allowed to, which Obama did.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 11:29:41   #
Brian Devon
 
rumitoid wrote:
In the U.S., an executive order is a p**********l policy directive that implements or interprets a federal statute, a constitutional provision, or a treaty without the requirement of congressional approval. As described by TheFreeDictionary:
The president can use [executive orders] to set policy while avoiding public debate and opposition. Presidents have used executive orders to direct a range of activities, including establishing migratory bird refuges; putting Japanese-Americans in internment camps during World War II; discharging civilian government employees who had been disloyal, following World War II; enlarging national forests; prohibiting racial discrimination in housing; pardoning Vietnam War draft evaders; giving federal workers the right to bargain collectively; keeping the federal workplace drug free; and sending U.S. troops to Bosnia.

Historically, executive orders [are] related to routine administrative matters and to the internal operations of federal agencies, such as amending Civil Service Rules and overseeing the administration of public lands. More recently, presidents have used executive orders to carry out legislative policies and programs. As a result, the executive order has become a critical tool in p**********l policy making. For example, President John F. Kennedy used an executive order to eliminate racial discrimination in federally funded housing, President Lyndon B. Johnson acted through an executive order to prohibit discrimination in government contractors' hiring practices, and President Richard M. Nixon used an executive order to set a ninety-day freeze on all prices, rents, wages, and salaries in reaction to rising inflation and unemployment.

Comparison of what has been claimed by many on the Right and the actual number of executive orders:
Name Number claimed: Actual number:
Theodore Roosevelt 3 1,081
Franklin Roosevelt 11 3,522
Harry Truman 5 907
Dwight Eisenhower 2 484
John Kennedy 4 214
Lyndon Johnson 4 325
Richard Nixon 1 346
Gerald Ford 3 169
Jimmy Carter 3 320
Ronald Reagan 5 381
George H.W. Bush 3 166
Bill Clinton 15 364
George W. Bush 62 291
Barack Obama 923 138

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp#mQxpi1ExWFMmqib0.99
This goes back to 2012 but gives you an idea that Obama is no worse than a former presidents as regards executive orders. WND is notoriously unreliable.

We know this Congress is the worst ever, in popularity and job performance. When it refuses to do anything about anything, looks to virtually shut down government, it would be irresponsible for a sitting president not to act where and when he was legally allowed to, which Obama did.
In the U.S., an executive order is a p**********l ... (show quote)


Thanks for doing the research. President Obama has not used executive orders more than any other president. His actual rate of orders averages 34 per year. George W. Bush averaged 36 per year. I think there is actually something else that really troubles the far right. My hunch is that, "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" and "To K**l a Mockingbird" are not on these folks lists of top ten movies.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 11:44:11   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Brian Devon wrote:
If you look up liberal's liberal you will find ALL of California's statewide office-holders, U.S. Senators, and Governor.

As Calif. goes, so goes the nation. As Texas goes, so goes Alabama, Idaho,Wyoming, Oklahoma and Mississippi...

brian, we can all agree that the last light a 'new-age' liberal needs to see iz muzzle flash!!! put that in yer pipe.

Reply
 
 
Jan 22, 2014 11:59:08   #
Brian Devon
 
cesspool jones wrote:
brian, we can all agree that the last light a 'new-age' liberal needs to see iz muzzle flash!!! put that in yer pipe.



Go back to swimming in your cesspool.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:06:45   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Go back to swimming in your cesspool.


a slight change in the post. did you hear what a 31 year old republican rep. from florida said about obama? he said obama iz past impeachment and needs to be hanged. he's getting negative feedback from hiz own party(candy-ass-chicken-s**t RINO's). to show you liberal morons that race iz really not the problem but ideology iz whatz in question...this representative iz black and his name is joshua black. needs to be the next prez.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:26:29   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
http://www.joshuablack2014.com/


cesspool jones wrote:
a slight change in the post. did you hear what a 31 year old republican rep. from florida said about obama? he said obama iz past impeachment and needs to be hanged. he's getting negative feedback from hiz own party(candy-ass-chicken-s**t RINO's). to show you liberal morons that race iz really not the problem but ideology iz whatz in question...this representative iz black and his name is joshua black. needs to be the next prez.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:32:32   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Thanks for doing the research. President Obama has not used executive orders more than any other president. His actual rate of orders averages 34 per year. George W. Bush averaged 36 per year. I think there is actually something else that really troubles the far right. My hunch is that, "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" and "To K**l a Mockingbird" are not on these folks lists of top ten movies.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you honestly rely on Snopes for facts?

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:32:52   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
bmac32 wrote:
http://www.joshuablack2014.com/


i contacted him. he makes sense.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:34:43   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
Tasine wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you honestly rely on Snopes for facts?


sounds like he relies on mad magazine.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:39:11   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Yes he does and I can v**e for him and will do so after I check him a bit more.


cesspool jones wrote:
i contacted him. he makes sense.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:40:13   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
cesspool jones wrote:
sounds like he relies on mad magazine.

There's a difference? :P :P

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 12:43:07   #
Brian Devon
 
Tasine wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you honestly rely on Snopes for facts?


I never heard of Snopes. I have, however heard of "Scopes", the trial of a Tennessee teacher for the crime of teaching science (evolution). If you want to find out more about that you can rent, on Netflix, "Inherit the Wind", starring Spencer Tracy, Gene Kelly, Frederick March, and Dick York.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 13:53:48   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
[quote=Brian Devon]
BigMike wrote:
Personally, I don't care if Obama isn't impeached, but I'd sure like to see the damage he's doing limited.




WASHINGTON — Worse than Richard Nixon. An unprecedented abuse of powers. The most un-American president in the nation’s history.

Nat Hentoff does not think much of President Obama.

And now, the famous journalist says it is time to begin looking into impeachment.

Hentoff sees the biggest problem as Obama’s penchant to rule by executive order when he can’t convince Congress to do things his way.

The issue jumped back into the headlines last week when, just before his first Cabinet meeting of 2014, Obama said, “I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone … and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions.”

“Apparently he doesn’t give one damn about the separation of powers,” Hentoff told WND. “Never before in our history has a president done these things.”

And just to make sure everyone knew how extremely serious he regarded the situation, the journalist added, “This is the worst state, I think, the country has ever been in.”


President Barack Obama


Read “The Case for Impeachment” and know why Obama has got to go before America is done for …

Many have regarded Hentoff as the conscience of civil libertarianism and liberalism for decades.

Recognized as one of the foremost authorities on the Bill of Rights and the Supreme Court, Hentoff was a columnist and staff writer with The Village Voice for 51 years, from 1957 until 2008, when his columns began appearing in WND.

Hentoff left the Voice after he looked into the a******n industry, was shocked by what he found and had a falling-out with colleagues.

The First Amendment expert still hews left on many issues, railing against former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, the prison at Guantanamo Bay and the National Defense Authorization Act.

But he hasn’t liked Obama from the start.

“Within a few months after he was elected, I wrote a column saying he was going to be the most destructive, dangerous president we’ve ever had,” he said.

Hentoff said people he’d known for years told him to stop being so negative and to give Obama a chance.

“Well, we’ve given him a chance. I understated the case a little.”

In other words, Hentoff thinks Obama is the most dangerous and destructive president ever.

And, that’s why the veteran journalist thinks it’s time to begin looking into impeachment.

Get the bumper sticker that tells everyone to Impeach Obama!

“He has no right to do these executive orders,” Hentoff insisted, his voice reaching a crescendo of indignation.


Nat Hentoff

He says Obama gets away with it only because there is no outrage in Congress, no coverage by the media and no knowledge by the public.

“He’s in a position now where he figures he’s going to do wh**ever he wants to do.”

In fact, Hentoff said, Obama doesn’t even pretend to care about the separation of powers between the executive branch and Congress anymore, because “He’s the boss and hardly anybody cares enough” to stop him.

The most well-known examples of Obama changing or issuing laws with the stroke of a pen by issuing executive orders include:
•Delaying the employer mandate in Obamacare
•Changing the types of plans available under Obamacare
•Ensuring a******ns would be covered under Obamacare
•Enacting key provisions of the failed Dream Act to halt deportations of i*****l i*******ts
•Enacting stricter gun-control measures
•Sealing p**********l records
•Creating an economic council
•Creating a domestic policy council
•Changing pay grades

As WND previously reported, even the the far left-leaning FactCheck wrote, “It’s true that President Obama is increasingly using his executive powers in the face of staunch Republican opposition in Congress. He’s changed federal policies on immigration and welfare and appointed officials without congressional approval.”

“I would say that never before in our history had a president done these things,” Hentoff mused.

He noted that while Nixon merely claimed that winning an e******n gave him the right to do what he wanted, Obama is actually doing wh**ever he pleases.

The journalist said he doesn’t think any other president has acted so lawlessly as a matter of habit.

“So, if this isn’t a reason for at least the start of an independent investigation that would lead to impeachment, what is?”

Hentoff is baffled that Obama should escape such scrutiny when former President Bill Clinton faced impeachment just for being “a lousy liar.”


President Bill Clinton

A big part of the problem, the journalist believes, is what he calls the utter ignorance of a huge portion of the population, which is not outraged at losing its basic right to be self-governing.

And Obama “doesn’t give a damn, because he can get away with wh**ever he wants.”

That’s why Hentoff called this the worst state the country has ever been in, “Even worse than Woodrow Wilson’s regime, when people could be arrested for speaking German.”

Compounding the problem he says, is the digital age, which has allowed the president to engage in unprecedented domestic spying with the apparatus of the National Security Agency.

WND asked if Obama really posed such a threat, considering he was a professor of constitutional law.

“People forget, he taught a course that he was not fully qualified to teach. But nobody seemed to care,” Hentoff observed.

He also pointed out that as president of the Harvard Law Review Obama never published an article, something that went virtually unnoticed when v**ers considered his qualifications.

“See, that was a case of affirmative-action and people feeling, ‘Hey we ought to do something important, symbolically, and here’s a black guy, and he’s articulate, so we’re gonna do this.’”

Hentoff mentioned that former U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, the man Time Magazine once called “the most doctrinaire and committed civil libertarian ever to sit on the court,” once personally lectured him that “Affirmative-action on a racial basis is a total violation of the 14th Amendment, no doubt about it.”

And, referring to Obama’s presidency, the journalist said, “That’s what that kind of affirmative-action did for us.”

He told WND that he firmly believed the president does not care about due process, the separation of powers, the concept of a self-governing republic or many other basic American ideals.

And that’s why, he said, “What Obama is doing now is about as un-American as you can get.”

Hentoff wanted to make sure no one thought he was engaging in hyperbole.

He said it was literally true that Obama is “the most un-American president we’ve ever had.”

And just to make sure everybody heard him, he added, “I hope the FBI got all of that.”



Hentoff is just the latest public figure to be added to the growing list of those mentioning the possible impeachment of President Obama.

WND has been keeping track, and that list now includes:

Reps. Steve King, R-Iowa; Blake Farenthold, R-Texas; Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas; Rep. Bill Flores, R-Texas; Rep. Duncan H****r, R-Calif.; Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; Rep. Kerry Bentivolio, R-Mich.; Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas; Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla.; Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah; Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C.; Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.; Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; Rep. Trey Radel, R-Fla., and Rep. Ted Yoho, R-

Your list is all right wing Republicans. The senate, which would have to be a jury on impeachment, is majority Democrat. Impeachment is as likely as the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series. You will just have to do what opposition parties usually do; wait your turn and do better in the next e******n in 2016.
Personally, I don't care if Obama isn't impeached,... (show quote)


I am aware the list of impeachment supporters are all Republicans. I could have omitted it from my post, but for the sake of honesty I included it.

As I said in my opening statement, I am not interested in his impeachment, but my POINT, which is summed up in the title of this post and which you artfully ignore, is that even liberal (liberal, not progressive) icons like Hentoff are beginning to see the danger Obama, and Bush before him, pose to the separation of powers outlined in the Constitution. I'm sure you don't believe that the trend will not continue unless we stop it. How long do we allow the Executive branch to amass power?

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 14:27:21   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
kanawah wrote:
What damage is Obama doing? He is doing everything he can to limit the damage the T***sylvania tea bags are doing by their obstruction.

More power to Obama and the democrats.

From the results in Va. yesterday, it looks bad for the teatards.


Hahahahaha. More drivel from the Progressive talking points by one of the resident Obamabot's.

Reply
Jan 22, 2014 15:53:23   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
You never heard of Snopes, where to hell are you living?
http://www.snopes.com/

Now is that Scope for a rifle?


Brian Devon wrote:
I never heard of Snopes. I have, however heard of "Scopes", the trial of a Tennessee teacher for the crime of teaching science (evolution). If you want to find out more about that you can rent, on Netflix, "Inherit the Wind", starring Spencer Tracy, Gene Kelly, Frederick March, and Dick York.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 13 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.