Ve'hoe

You gotta see this,,,, this is what is wrong with l*****ts,,,, not actually a professor,, an Associate Professor,, Jacob Dorman,,, says:

"Kansas is a great and beautiful state that is refreshingly different than the coasts... I have enjoyed getting to know Kansans from all parts of the state as my students, neighbors and friends, and I’ve especially benefited from getting to know Kansans from rural communities where gun ownership and hard work are equally a way of life......."""But Kansas will never secure the future that it deserves if it weakens its institutions of higher learning by driving off faculty members or applicants who feel as I do that there is no place for firearms in classrooms. Kansas can have great universities, or it can have concealed carry in classrooms, but it cannot have both.""""

Here is the kicker:
"Kansas must recognize that this is a small state, and in order to run a premier university, which is necessary for the health and wealth of the state, it must recruit professors from out of state. Recruiting the best trained professors necessarily means recruiting from coastal areas and progressive college towns where most people do not believe that randomly arming untrained students is a proper exercise of the Second Amendment’s protection of a well-regulated m*****a."

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA crawl back to the coast you slimy liberal slug,, but dont go east,,,, you will fill your diaper with the gun laws,, (or lack thereof) of the great state of Missouri!!!!


One down,,,, many many more to go!!!


http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/call-gun-phobic-professor-quits-campus-carry

EmilyStrode

Just a question, okay. Do you believe in any gun laws?

Mr Bombastic

Any law abiding citizen, who can demonstrate competence and responsibility with a gun should be able to have one. That's a law I can get behind.

Ve'hoe

A question to you first,,, Do you think criminals obey those laws???

Because I have a great deal of knowledge and experience in this subject,,,,,,You answer,,,honestly,,, and I will discuss,,,

EmilyStrode

Of course they don't if frustrated in acquiring a weapon but why do it illegally when it is ever so easy to get it legally. A question: how many times have you thought about doing something on impulse but been frustrated for one reason or another, later to see it was a really bad idea. How many impulsive slayings are part of the stats?

I think the Second Amendment "grants" (that word is important) American citizens the right to keep and bear arms and this right is sacrosanct to our freedom, but like all rights and privileges subject to limits to serve the general good. Criminals, the mentally ill, and members of recognized terrorists organizations should not be "granted" this right.

Freedom of Speech, our most basic right and cornerstone to liberty, is weighted by a number of "common sense" restrictions, such as libel and plagiarism.

With the almost out of control violence in America, we should start thinking of ways to control it. "Americans are 10 times more likely to be k**led by guns than people in other developed countries, a new study finds. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries, researchers said."

Do not those facts argue for some gun control solutions?

Mr Bombastic

Don't be an i***t. The reason gun violence is high is because the vast majority of murders happen in just a few cities, with large black populations. All of those cities are run by democraps too, and most of them have strict gun control laws. Anyone see a pattern here? Also, gun violence has been dropping for several years now. Can you guess why?

Ve'hoe

Why dont you control the criminals,,,, and not the constitutional rights of others,,, who have committed NO crimes???


An example,,,, Men rape women,,,,,,,, therefore penis control,, ie sheering,, will prevent rapes...

Why not sew up vaginas??

Same plan you have,,,,,,,

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The 2nd Amendment does not "grant" our right to keep and bear arms, it guarantees it. It is an inalienable right. A right and a privilege are two different things. It is our right to bear arms, it is a privilege to own and drive a car. Criminals. mentally ill and terrorists are NOT "granted" the right to own guns.

If you are going to cite statistics, you'd best link your source. If your source is a liberal propaganda site, fuggedaboudit. If your source is a verifiable and accurate accounting of stats, then let's see them.

The following stats are compiled from the UN Council on Human Rights, the CDC, WHO, and others.

The 13 most dangerous countries in the world

13. Nigeria: 2.37 — Africa's largest economy has made big strides in recent years, but with the prevalence of the terrorist group Boko Haram and insurgents like the Niger Delta Avengers, the threat of violence in Nigeria remains extreme.

12. Colombia: 2.31 — Colombia is one of the gateways to drug-trafficking routes into the US, with the nation producing a substantial portion of the world's cocaine. The prevalence of drug gangs makes the nation extremely dangerous.

11. Libya: 2.30 — Since the destruction of Muammar Gaddafi's regime in 2011, a power vacuum has emerged in Libya, and the nation has become a hotbed of ISIS activity.

10. Pakistan: 1.98 — Political and religious tensions are widespread in Pakistan, and the country is frequently plagued by terrorist atrocities. As recently as Monday, a militant group attacked an army base in the Kashmir region of the country.

9. Somalia: 1.75 — Somalia is one of the world's most unstable nations and is by some criteria a failed state. Somalia is the centre of the piracy epidemic that hit the Indian Ocean in recent years and is also home to the terrorist group al-Shabab.

8. El Salvador: 1.55 — Located in the heart of Central America, El Salvador is plagued by gang violence and drug trafficking. It is less than a quarter of a century since the end of a brutal 12-year civil war in the country.

7. Venezuela: 1.46 — Like Colombia, Venezuela is one of the gateways to drug-trafficking routes into the US. The country's economy has virtually collapsed since the price of oil fell in 2014, leading to widespread food shortages and a lack of basic amenities for many people. This, in turn, has led to growing violence.

6. Honduras: 1.44 — In 2015, Honduras had a homicide rate of 60 per 100,000 inhabitants, one of the highest in the world. The country is dominated by violent street gangs, including the two most powerful in the country, Mara Salvatrucha and Barrio 18.

T-4. Syria: 1.19 — Torn apart by a horrific and devastating war between rebel forces and the government of President Bashar Assad, Syria is facing an enormous humanitarian crisis. In major cities, airstrikes are a near permanent fixture, k*****g thousands. Almost half a million people have died since the Syrian conflict began in 2011. ISIS' huge presence in the nation makes the situation even worse.

T-4. Iraq: 1.19 — More than a decade after the beginning of the Iraq War, the Middle-Eastern nation is still haunted by the conflict. Iraq may now have a Western-backed government, but ISIS is rampant in some regions and violence predominates in much of the country.

3. Mexico: 1.17 — As the hub for trafficking drugs between South America and North America, Mexico has a significant problem with violence. "With the security forces facing budget cuts, a deterioration in the overall security environment is likely, leaving investors exposed to risks such as extortion, theft, and potentially the kidnapping of personnel," Verisk's Mexico analyst Grant Sunderland says.

2. Guatemala: 0.72 — Like El Salvador and Honduras, Guatemala is a Central American nation plagued by the drug-trafficking industry. In 2015, Guatemala reported an average of 91 murders a week.

1. Afghanistan: 0.71 — The country where violent crime is by far the most likely, according to Verisk Maplecroft, is Afghanistan. The country is still ravaged by the Islamic fundamentalist group the Taliban, while the heroin trade is also rampant, adding to violence.

25 Countries With The Highest Murder Rates In The World

The rates are based on the number of homicides per 100,000 inhabitants per year.

25 Panama, 17.2
24 Botswana, 18.4
23 Equatorial Guinea, 19.3
22 Nigeria, 20
21 Dominica, 21.1
20 Mexico, 21.5
19 Saint Lucia, 21.6
18 Dominican Republic, 22.1
17 Rwanda, 23.1
16 Brazil, 25.2
15 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, 25.6
14 Democratic Republic of the Congo, 28.3
13 Trinidad and Tobago, 28.3
12 The Bahamas, 29.8
11 Colombia, 30.8
10 South Africa, 31
9 Saint Kitts and Nevis, 33.6
8 Swaziland, 33.8
7 Lesotho, 38
6 Jamaica, 39.3
5 Guatemala, 39.9
4 El Salvador, 41.2
3 Belize, 44.7
2 Venezuela, 53.7
1 Honduras, 90.4

pafret Loc: Northeast

Ve'hoe: "A question to you first,,, Do you think criminals obey those laws???"
Your Response: "Of course they don't if frustrated in acquiring a weapon but why do it illegally when it is ever so easy to get it legally."

Has it occurred to you that criminals never balk at 'acquiring' something illegally even if it is almost free to obtain legally? Hubcaps, wheels and radios from cars, the cars themselves. Money from poor boxes in church, gold chalices from the alters. The endless list of things criminals steal indicates that this is their preferred profession.

Strong arm muggers, highwaymen, knife wielding heisters and bomb carrying bank robbers all practice the same profession with higher degree of violence; to a criminal, the thing that makes stealing easier is the gun, preferably a stolen gun. Given the stupidity of our gun laws which make law abiding citizens register their their lawfully acquired firearms, it becomes even more imperative to steal a gun. There will be no record to link the thief to a particular weapon and thus frustrates apprehension.

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

EmilyStrode, First off a belated welcome here to OPP. The 2nd Ammendment was designed and put into the constitution for one basic reason. It ensured that every citizen of this country would be able to take up arms against a tyranical government like the ones they faught against (The British Crown) and won. The only CITIZENS that should not have fire arms are those that have commited felonies, such as murder, rape, child molostation and a a number of other heinous acts against others. Of course, I have my own opinion regarding those individuals that have gone to prison for non-violent crimes though depending on what they were. Take care.

Semper Fi

Ve'hoe

"The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:
A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Where is the word "grants"???

And what importance do you attach to it?

The constitution does not grant anything, it identifies the rights that are inalienable for every man........they are granted by no man,,,, president, nor King,,,,

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

Ve'hoe, I would say of course not. However, I just responded on this issue to another poster here and I think that if there was no violence what so ever in the commission of wh**ever crime they did should be able to get their rights to own and carry a fire arm. Some people do some really stupid s**t when they were younger and paid their debt to society. It should be on a case by case basis. I have family who spent time, and have told me it would be absolutely nuts for most of the inmates they ran into to ever have their rights restored. As a matter of fact, one of my relatives to this day cant own but also knows it was their own fault and really doesnt have an issue with it. Take care.

Semper Fi

Ve'hoe

Agree,,,, especially on an item like domestic violence,,, a misdemeanor,,, that takes away a "constitutional"
right........ often the mere filing of a restraining order is enough,, to take a mans second amendment,,

I think if the woman cannot prove it,, then she should loser here second amendment rights,,, instead of the man...........


Loser,,or liar, needs to pay..........

Felonies,,,,, I dont know,,, case by case maybe, but like you,, most criminals are not the kind of people I would allow to live,, much less rearm behind me......

Like the "good taliban",,,, I never met,,, did you??

Bug58

Why would you assume that because a person disagrees with a particular stance they would not 'believe' in ANY gun laws?

We already have gun laws in America, and they have worked for years now. However, Criminals are typically the one's who do not obey 'gun laws' but then they don't obey other laws either--so what would make you assume that would change with laws that would make it more difficult for NON Criminals to get guns?? Most criminals don't get their guns from a local gun store or going through a back ground check, or anything else that is already on the books--so, again that wouldn't change.


The interesting thing w/ Chicago and other cities is what the city leaders say:

"The largest obstacle remains the lack of serious repercussions for those we arrest for repeated gun crimes,"


https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151027/downtown/does-chicago-have-strictest-gun-laws-country-its-complicated

Mr Bombastic

If I was in charge, it would be an automatic life sentence for any crime committed with a firearm. If they actually fire the gun, it would be an automatic death sentence. I guarantee that gun crimes would all but disappear, if for no other reason that the ones who would commit such crimes are all locked up or dead. It works. Trust me on this one.