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May 3, 2017 14:55:53   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
slatten49 wrote:
Super Dave, in the matter of burning the U.S. F**g, I am in accord with both you and Justice Scalia. As stated in my previous post, I think the act degrades the burner far more than it could possibly degrade Old Glory. The F**g's significance withstands any assault upon its stature. Half burnt or tattered, I would/will raise it with p***e.


Nothing wrong with your viewpoint about still honoring the F**g no matter what. I am sure you would personally NEVER do anything negative towards our F**g ever. The F**g having the significance that is does, should be what PROTECTS it from hooligans!

A questioning of how important personal freedom is to everyone....we are free and have our freedoms. If by chance a popular ideal comes into play that a person is FREE to burn a child alive...as it is his constitutional right to protest....do we allow it? The burner's excuse being they wanted to protest so they decided they have a freedom to exercise free speech by burning a child? After all one child means only one child...but hey the F**g represents ALL children...ALL that have died for it...represents US as a whole Nation....each good aspect of decent life...I can tell you as wild as it sounds...I can see LIBERALS push that is would be O.K. to just burn one child to protest...and if the court said."COOL BEANS"...it would not stand in my life time...no damned way. As good a Judge as any have been sorry folks...they just missed it by miles. We simple cannot keep allowing the erosion of our Nation by destructive policy even if it is in the form of a PROTEST...look at how R**TING is now being O.K. as some call THAT a protest! People INNOCENT have died due to jerk wads blocking off streets with their anti this or anti that...ambulances blocked from getting to Hospitals...so no...not for me...sorry for you that think it is a right for someone to burn our f**g. I see it happening..I will use deadly force and let the chips fall where they may.

Just is for me...an attack on the F**g is no different then an attack on this Nation. Further...if more people viewed it that way...less people would think it is OK for them to burn or piss on it.

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May 3, 2017 16:17:23   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
slatten49 wrote:
F**g-burning, however unpatriotic, at its core is a form of expression that has repeatedly been upheld in the Supreme Court as such.

F**g-burning is free speech. Even the late Justice Antonin Scalia would tell you that

F**g-burning has been a right upheld by the Supreme Court as a protection of free speech and expression as recently as 1989 in the 5-4 Texas v. Johnson decision. The late conservative Justice Antonin Scalia sided with the protester, holding that f**g-burning is a form of “symbolic speech” protected by the First Amendment.

“If it were up to me, I would put in jail every sandal-wearing, scruffy-bearded weirdo who burns the American f**g. But I am not king.” Scalia said in 2015, maintaining his position more than a decade later.

Like Justice Scalia and many others, I find anyone burning Old Glory in any manner of protest vile and d********g. But, the act says more about the burner than it does about our great historical symbol of freedom and justice. In other words...any i***t burning the F**g suffers degradation far greater than that displayed by its burning. Just as in battle, our F**g can be tattered, torn or ripped apart...or burned, but none of those are capable of diminishing the significance of what it stands for.
F**g-burning, however unpatriotic, at its core is ... (show quote)


If it is a f**g you own, then you can be d********g and viscious and burn it. by all means wrap it around your self or at least make a diaper out of it before lighting it on fire.

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May 3, 2017 16:43:40   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
no propaganda please wrote:
If it is a f**g you own, then you can be d********g and viscious and burn it. by all means wrap it around your self or at least make a diaper out of it before lighting it on fire.

You'll not find me burning Old Glory under any conditions, even those allowed by f**g 'retirement' regulations. With great p***e, I fly mine daily. I served alongside young men who died representing our countries' banner and that for which it stands.

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May 3, 2017 16:57:47   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
You'll not find me burning Old Glory under any conditions, even those allowed by 'retirement' regulations. With great p***e, I fly mine daily. I served alongside young men who died representing our countries' banner and that for which it stands.



I've said all I'm gonna say
burning our f**g is insulting our nation ,our Armed Services,

the many who gave their all for this country
and lastly myself
it is not free speech

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May 3, 2017 17:21:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
badbobby wrote:
I've said all I'm gonna say
burning our f**g is insulting our nation ,our Armed Services,

the many who gave their all for this country
and lastly myself
it is not free speech

Though declared as free speech and legally allowed by virtue of SCOTUS, I abhor those who would burn or otherwise desecrate Old Glory.

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May 3, 2017 17:27:09   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
slatten49 wrote:
You'll not find me burning Old Glory under any conditions, even those allowed by f**g 'retirement' regulations. With great p***e, I fly mine daily. I served alongside young men who died representing our countries' banner and that for which it stands.


I do know you would never do anything to our F**g but fly it. I also know you have served this Nation.

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May 3, 2017 17:32:09   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
badbobby wrote:
I've said all I'm gonna say
burning our f**g is insulting our nation ,our Armed Services,

the many who gave their all for this country
and lastly myself
it is not free speech


I think what needs to be gone..is the free speech crap! Well no...those that said COOL BEANS sitting on the bench....as well.

This topic came up a long while back in my Family. As a family unit, they would understand what my actions would be and find it as just how it would be. Jail? Being shot for shooting a F**g burner? I'll live (or die) with the results. If it goes to court....it will be a long long court battle. And then...a long line of Veterans would be hounding Trump to give me a get out of jail card......

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May 3, 2017 17:36:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
America Only wrote:
I do know you would never do anything to our F**g but fly it. I also know you have served this Nation.

Have no doubt in that I recognize and respect the same regarding your sense of honor, duty and service.

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May 3, 2017 20:36:37   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
America Only wrote:
There will be a lot of disagreement on it...I do not hold it against you or most other posters here...as I am sure most would never desire to be such a loon as to burn our F**g.

Not sure if anyone else in the near future would BLAST the hell out of a F**g Burner....and have it on the major news network....but if I witness it and will BLAST the hell out of the F**g Burner...you will know it is me.....without a doubt.


I have to tell you that I feel personally quite strongly against f**g burning. I also feel strongly about freedom. I served in the military and swore an oath to protect both.

1A stops government from outlawing f**g burning, it doesn't prevent you from stopping f**g burning by any means. However, legislation does mandate punishment against you should you BLAST the hell out of someone to stop them.

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May 4, 2017 02:50:35   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Super Dave wrote:
I have to tell you that I feel personally quite strongly against f**g burning. I also feel strongly about freedom. I served in the military and swore an oath to protect both.

1A stops government from outlawing f**g burning, it doesn't prevent you from stopping f**g burning by any means. However, legislation does mandate punishment against you should you BLAST the hell out of someone to stop them.


Yes I am well aware of those factors. In our legal past history if how some courts have changed their views...having someone take it all the way has given rise to a new ruling on an old topic. Remember some history...what it took to be free to begin with. I am sure I could site some major changes that only came about due to some drastic actions.

In a combat situation I do recall the very first time (weapon used was a handgun) of shooting a V.C. that was part of a much larger number of troops then what my Team numbered. Not being very old, I had some very deep and quick thoughts about who that person was in life...perhaps family and friends that most likely would mourn the loss of him. That seemed to take a long time to think about and then again it was like a flash and over just as fast as it happened. After a ten minute fire fight we were able to get ourselves out of that area and then make it out about 30 minutes away for extraction. My only thought then was I was DAMNED thankful that I was still alive and not going home in a body bag. You learn to be more or less a bit calmer as more combat situations arise, and more elements come from training that are what keeps you alive and able to win even in some hairy situations. You learn what real freedom is...LIFE! Nothing can equal what combat teaches your mind and spirit. For some it was too much. For others it was a school of which nothing else can come close. Each minute you are in a combat setting you know what your Country means to you...LIFE...HOME...everything you can ever value. There was no damned Denny's or McDonalds...nothing close to being home...but your F**G! Being on a Team we had no f**g to shove into the ground...but going in country to some base camps to hook up with a ride or a joint mission with other US forces...there you would see your home...your F**g....and eventually you get back to your ship and see your F**g..your home. And for all the good men..young or older that did not survive...our F**g was what covered them when honored to be given them for their service. I could not type this all out as much as I would like to...but some here know exactly what I am saying.

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May 4, 2017 03:05:51   #
Mr Bombastic
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Remember this? (Yes, he did!)


What an i***t. He got the colors in the wrong order. LOLOL!

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May 4, 2017 06:49:50   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
America Only wrote:
Yes I am well aware of those factors. In our legal past history if how some courts have changed their views...having someone take it all the way has given rise to a new ruling on an old topic. Remember some history...what it took to be free to begin with. I am sure I could site some major changes that only came about due to some drastic actions.

In a combat situation I do recall the very first time (weapon used was a handgun) of shooting a V.C. that was part of a much larger number of troops then what my Team numbered. Not being very old, I had some very deep and quick thoughts about who that person was in life...perhaps family and friends that most likely would mourn the loss of him. That seemed to take a long time to think about and then again it was like a flash and over just as fast as it happened. After a ten minute fire fight we were able to get ourselves out of that area and then make it out about 30 minutes away for extraction. My only thought then was I was DAMNED thankful that I was still alive and not going home in a body bag. You learn to be more or less a bit calmer as more combat situations arise, and more elements come from training that are what keeps you alive and able to win even in some hairy situations. You learn what real freedom is...LIFE! Nothing can equal what combat teaches your mind and spirit. For some it was too much. For others it was a school of which nothing else can come close. Each minute you are in a combat setting you know what your Country means to you...LIFE...HOME...everything you can ever value. There was no damned Denny's or McDonalds...nothing close to being home...but your F**G! Being on a Team we had no f**g to shove into the ground...but going in country to some base camps to hook up with a ride or a joint mission with other US forces...there you would see your home...your F**g....and eventually you get back to your ship and see your F**g..your home. And for all the good men..young or older that did not survive...our F**g was what covered them when honored to be given them for their service. I could not type this all out as much as I would like to...but some here know exactly what I am saying.
Yes I am well aware of those factors. In our legal... (show quote)

Not having ever served under fire I can only thank you and try my best to relate.

I do get the importance of the f**g. I really do bonor the f**g by supporting the freedom it stands for. While disagreement exist on the surrounding issue, I truly hope you understand my position fully.

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May 4, 2017 08:41:30   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Super Dave wrote:
I'm a believer in personal liberty as the norm, only to be restricted as absolutely necessary. That means freedom of speech includes prayers and also includes f**g burning.

In a way I would like to see a constitutional amendment protect the American f**g as a unique symbol of America. But it wouldn't work. If you made a f**g with 49 stars would it still be an American f**g? What if it had red and off-white stripes? What if the shape was slightly different (longer or shorter length proportional to the height)?

The fact is that any attempt to squelch speech is ultimately a fool's errand in a free society. A society must become less free to stop h**eful, stupid, or even unAmerican speech.
I'm a believer in personal liberty as the norm, on... (show quote)



Your last paragraph defines the foundations of American freedoms. Exactly what tortured the conscience of John Adams in signing the Alien and S******n Act; an action of law that in the end silenced no one but rather incited the dissenters to more violent behavior. Individuality can't be legislated away (regardless of Progressive Leftisms belief that it can) ... history stands in evidence.

An interesting aside, I saw Rainbow f**g deodorant pucks in the urinals at several of the big truck stops on my last drive across the country where they were flying huge American f**gs out front ... Ya gotta love America.

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