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Apr 25, 2017 13:44:44   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are thinking... to add our own thoughts, and some say to correct misleading or misunderstood facts. This is all fine and well until the dreaded Trolls arrive with their one line comments that include “wake up, sheeple” or perhaps “you are all fools.” Many of us just by pass these remarks because these people are a type of troll.... meaning they have nothing useful to apply to the conversation or topic.

There are two other types of Trolls that seem to have made their homes on OPP. The first, I term as Gish Galloping. These folks seem to have no limit to their ability to present a cyber-flood of individually-weak arguments. They seem to do this to prevent rebuttal without expending much energy. They are the Johnny Appleseed of unrelated ideas and comments which they insert into conversation to sow confusion to make themselves appear (mostly to themselves) that they are intellectually better equipped or knowledgeable in a wide range of topics.

The other Troll we deal with is the JAQing Off; or the Just Asking Questions. These folks are very much like the Gish Galloper, with an exception. They simply toss out question after question. They have nothing to say, but they pick a line from your last response and ask real off the wall questions. Their goal, to take over the conversation and have you defend or prepare response to which they have only one interest, to find something they can send you off researching... and they keep this up as long as you make the effort to prepare responses. It does not take long for all other who normally would add to the conversation to abandon the thread leaving only two people involved; one doing research and the other JAQing Off!

And both of these types of Trolls (yes, there are other types) are extremely affective. They seem to be limitless in summoning "alternative facts" one after the other, making it impossible to counter all of them and in the end when you walk away, it appears as though they won the "argument" or the discussion. This reinforces their mindsets and they will repeat those actions which they feel are successful.

At this point, I ask why do we feed those Trolls, should we feed them, or put in the effort to respond to them? Do they deserve a cogent reply? For my opinion.... I say yes! Not to make them happy or even to "win" the debate, but because while doing research to respond to our Trolls, one can not help but learn something new. The OPP Trolls force us to be intellectually honest intellectually honest.

All opinions, and yes even the Trolls, are welcome to share their views..... so what say you? Feed them or let them starve for attention?

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Apr 25, 2017 14:06:26   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
And the fact is that Trump is a Master of the 'Gish Gallop Method"

https://www.good.is/articles/gish-gallop-trump-tactics




Pennylynn wrote:
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are thinking... to add our own thoughts, and some say to correct misleading or misunderstood facts. This is all fine and well until the dreaded Trolls arrive with their one line comments that include “wake up, sheeple” or perhaps “you are all fools.” Many of us just by pass these remarks because these people are a type of troll.... meaning they have nothing useful to apply to the conversation or topic.

There are two other types of Trolls that seem to have made their homes on OPP. The first, I term as Gish Galloping. These folks seem to have no limit to their ability to present a cyber-flood of individually-weak arguments. They seem to do this to prevent rebuttal without expending much energy. They are the Johnny Appleseed of unrelated ideas and comments which they insert into conversation to sow confusion to make themselves appear (mostly to themselves) that they are intellectually better equipped or knowledgeable in a wide range of topics.

The other Troll we deal with is the JAQing Off; or the Just Asking Questions. These folks are very much like the Gish Galloper, with an exception. They simply toss out question after question. They have nothing to say, but they pick a line from your last response and ask real off the wall questions. Their goal, to take over the conversation and have you defend or prepare response to which they have only one interest, to find something they can send you off researching... and they keep this up as long as you make the effort to prepare responses. It does not take long for all other who normally would add to the conversation to abandon the thread leaving only two people involved; one doing research and the other JAQing Off!

And both of these types of Trolls (yes, there are other types) are extremely affective. They seem to be limitless in summoning "alternative facts" one after the other, making it impossible to counter all of them and in the end when you walk away, it appears as though they won the "argument" or the discussion. This reinforces their mindsets and they will repeat those actions which they feel are successful.

At this point, I ask why do we feed those Trolls, should we feed them, or put in the effort to respond to them? Do they deserve a cogent reply? For my opinion.... I say yes! Not to make them happy or even to "win" the debate, but because while doing research to respond to our Trolls, one can not help but learn something new. The OPP Trolls force us to be intellectually honest intellectually honest.

All opinions, and yes even the Trolls, are welcome to share their views..... so what say you? Feed them or let them starve for attention?
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are think... (show quote)

Damn you people are stupid!!!!
Damn you people are stupid!!!!...

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Apr 25, 2017 14:07:28   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are thinking... to add our own thoughts, and some say to correct misleading or misunderstood facts. This is all fine and well until the dreaded Trolls arrive with their one line comments that include “wake up, sheeple” or perhaps “you are all fools.” Many of us just by pass these remarks because these people are a type of troll.... meaning they have nothing useful to apply to the conversation or topic.

There are two other types of Trolls that seem to have made their homes on OPP. The first, I term as Gish Galloping. These folks seem to have no limit to their ability to present a cyber-flood of individually-weak arguments. They seem to do this to prevent rebuttal without expending much energy. They are the Johnny Appleseed of unrelated ideas and comments which they insert into conversation to sow confusion to make themselves appear (mostly to themselves) that they are intellectually better equipped or knowledgeable in a wide range of topics.

The other Troll we deal with is the JAQing Off; or the Just Asking Questions. These folks are very much like the Gish Galloper, with an exception. They simply toss out question after question. They have nothing to say, but they pick a line from your last response and ask real off the wall questions. Their goal, to take over the conversation and have you defend or prepare response to which they have only one interest, to find something they can send you off researching... and they keep this up as long as you make the effort to prepare responses. It does not take long for all other who normally would add to the conversation to abandon the thread leaving only two people involved; one doing research and the other JAQing Off!

And both of these types of Trolls (yes, there are other types) are extremely affective. They seem to be limitless in summoning "alternative facts" one after the other, making it impossible to counter all of them and in the end when you walk away, it appears as though they won the "argument" or the discussion. This reinforces their mindsets and they will repeat those actions which they feel are successful.

At this point, I ask why do we feed those Trolls, should we feed them, or put in the effort to respond to them? Do they deserve a cogent reply? For my opinion.... I say yes! Not to make them happy or even to "win" the debate, but because while doing research to respond to our Trolls, one can not help but learn something new. The OPP Trolls force us to be intellectually honest intellectually honest.

All opinions, and yes even the Trolls, are welcome to share their views..... so what say you? Feed them or let them starve for attention?
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are think... (show quote)


If you feed them there seems to be a constant barrage of so called facts. I believe this is their was of trying to set a different tone in the debate. They always try to lead you in a different direction, to a post they have made many times. They always want to get your attention no matter what is said. They are just serving their own mind with an inflated ego.

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Apr 25, 2017 14:13:08   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Like the post right above yours? I am trying to decide whether or not I want to waste energy in supplying Wolf with a response.

Having pointed him out.... I must say, you are right!

Louie27 wrote:
If you feed them there seems to be a constant barrage of so called facts. I believe this is their was of trying to set a different tone in the debate. They always try to lead you in a different direction, to a post they have made many times. They always want to get your attention no matter what is said. They are just serving their own mind with an inflated ego.



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Apr 25, 2017 14:17:03   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are thinking... to add our own thoughts, and some say to correct misleading or misunderstood facts. This is all fine and well until the dreaded Trolls arrive with their one line comments that include “wake up, sheeple” or perhaps “you are all fools.” Many of us just by pass these remarks because these people are a type of troll.... meaning they have nothing useful to apply to the conversation or topic.

There are two other types of Trolls that seem to have made their homes on OPP. The first, I term as Gish Galloping. These folks seem to have no limit to their ability to present a cyber-flood of individually-weak arguments. They seem to do this to prevent rebuttal without expending much energy. They are the Johnny Appleseed of unrelated ideas and comments which they insert into conversation to sow confusion to make themselves appear (mostly to themselves) that they are intellectually better equipped or knowledgeable in a wide range of topics.

The other Troll we deal with is the JAQing Off; or the Just Asking Questions. These folks are very much like the Gish Galloper, with an exception. They simply toss out question after question. They have nothing to say, but they pick a line from your last response and ask real off the wall questions. Their goal, to take over the conversation and have you defend or prepare response to which they have only one interest, to find something they can send you off researching... and they keep this up as long as you make the effort to prepare responses. It does not take long for all other who normally would add to the conversation to abandon the thread leaving only two people involved; one doing research and the other JAQing Off!

And both of these types of Trolls (yes, there are other types) are extremely effective. They seem to be limitless in summoning "alternative facts" one after the other, making it impossible to counter all of them and in the end when you walk away, it appears as though they won the "argument" or the discussion. This reinforces their mindsets and they will repeat those actions which they feel are successful.

At this point, I ask why do we feed those Trolls, should we feed them, or put in the effort to respond to them? Do they deserve a cogent reply? For my opinion.... I say yes! Not to make them happy or even to "win" the debate, but because while doing research to respond to our Trolls, one can not help but learn something new. The OPP Trolls force us to be intellectually honest intellectually honest.

All opinions, and yes even the Trolls, are welcome to share their views..... so what say you? Feed them or let them starve for attention?
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are think... (show quote)


Starve them out by ignoring them. Just like all other type of maggots they thrive on filth, don't supply them with any.

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Apr 25, 2017 14:28:56   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
NPP, Easy concept, but so hard to do.... But, yes this is sound advice!
no propaganda please wrote:
Starve them out by ignoring them. Just like all other type of maggots they thrive on filth, don't supply them with any.

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Apr 25, 2017 14:51:13   #
jimahrens Loc: California
 
There is no level playing field. Making it really simple to understand a liberal. When a Conservative is asked what a Hammer is for they would reply, depends on what type of hammer it is, Framing, claw, Pall Pean etc. A liberal would say that is a lie. It's a screwdriver. Purpose confused minds create confusion. Analysis! Liberals are confused.
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
And the fact is that Trump is a Master of the 'Gish Gallop Method"

https://www.good.is/articles/gish-gallop-trump-tactics

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Apr 25, 2017 14:56:47   #
bahmer
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Like the post right above yours? I am trying to decide whether or not I want to waste energy in supplying Wolf with a response.

Having pointed him out.... I must say, you are right!





There are a number of people on OPP that I refuse to fall for their posts. Wolf is one of these and there are a number of others as well.

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Apr 25, 2017 14:59:13   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
jimahrens wrote:
There is no level playing field. Making it really simple to understand a liberal. When a Conservative is asked what a Hammer is for they would reply, depends on what type of hammer it is, Framing, claw, Pall Pean etc. A liberal would say that is a lie. It's a screwdriver. Purpose confused minds create confusion. Analysis! Liberals are confused.


How about this bald faced lie, dumbass!


'i did not know Steve Bannon before the p**********l campaign." Trump

http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/12/donald-trump/did-he-or-didnt-he-trump-contradicts-himself-wheth/



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Apr 25, 2017 15:18:48   #
zillaorange
 
jimahrens wrote:
There is no level playing field. Making it really simple to understand a liberal. When a Conservative is asked what a Hammer is for they would reply, depends on what type of hammer it is, Framing, claw, Pall Pean etc. A liberal would say that is a lie. It's a screwdriver. Purpose confused minds create confusion. Analysis! Liberals are confused.


LOL

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Apr 25, 2017 15:59:03   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are thinking... to add our own thoughts, and some say to correct misleading or misunderstood facts. This is all fine and well until the dreaded Trolls arrive with their one line comments that include “wake up, sheeple” or perhaps “you are all fools.” Many of us just by pass these remarks because these people are a type of troll.... meaning they have nothing useful to apply to the conversation or topic.

There are two other types of Trolls that seem to have made their homes on OPP. The first, I term as Gish Galloping. These folks seem to have no limit to their ability to present a cyber-flood of individually-weak arguments. They seem to do this to prevent rebuttal without expending much energy. They are the Johnny Appleseed of unrelated ideas and comments which they insert into conversation to sow confusion to make themselves appear (mostly to themselves) that they are intellectually better equipped or knowledgeable in a wide range of topics.

The other Troll we deal with is the JAQing Off; or the Just Asking Questions. These folks are very much like the Gish Galloper, with an exception. They simply toss out question after question. They have nothing to say, but they pick a line from your last response and ask real off the wall questions. Their goal, to take over the conversation and have you defend or prepare response to which they have only one interest, to find something they can send you off researching... and they keep this up as long as you make the effort to prepare responses. It does not take long for all other who normally would add to the conversation to abandon the thread leaving only two people involved; one doing research and the other JAQing Off!

And both of these types of Trolls (yes, there are other types) are extremely affective. They seem to be limitless in summoning "alternative facts" one after the other, making it impossible to counter all of them and in the end when you walk away, it appears as though they won the "argument" or the discussion. This reinforces their mindsets and they will repeat those actions which they feel are successful.

At this point, I ask why do we feed those Trolls, should we feed them, or put in the effort to respond to them? Do they deserve a cogent reply? For my opinion.... I say yes! Not to make them happy or even to "win" the debate, but because while doing research to respond to our Trolls, one can not help but learn something new. The OPP Trolls force us to be intellectually honest intellectually honest.

All opinions, and yes even the Trolls, are welcome to share their views..... so what say you? Feed them or let them starve for attention?
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are think... (show quote)


Discussing anything with the type of individual you describe is a waste of what little lifetime I have left. I do get sucked in at times but in general when I see one of our resident cretins involved in a post, I unwatch it or never comment. I recently put my first dolt on ignore because he constantly posts lies, once I did that it opened the flood gate and I put six more on ignore within two days. There are far more discussions and less time wasters coming in now. Trolls do not deserve any reply, some people enjoy bandinage with fools but as the expression goes it is difficult to tell them apart.

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Apr 25, 2017 16:04:54   #
payne1000
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are thinking... to add our own thoughts, and some say to correct misleading or misunderstood facts. This is all fine and well until the dreaded Trolls arrive with their one line comments that include “wake up, sheeple” or perhaps “you are all fools.” Many of us just by pass these remarks because these people are a type of troll.... meaning they have nothing useful to apply to the conversation or topic.

There are two other types of Trolls that seem to have made their homes on OPP. The first, I term as Gish Galloping. These folks seem to have no limit to their ability to present a cyber-flood of individually-weak arguments. They seem to do this to prevent rebuttal without expending much energy. They are the Johnny Appleseed of unrelated ideas and comments which they insert into conversation to sow confusion to make themselves appear (mostly to themselves) that they are intellectually better equipped or knowledgeable in a wide range of topics.

The other Troll we deal with is the JAQing Off; or the Just Asking Questions. These folks are very much like the Gish Galloper, with an exception. They simply toss out question after question. They have nothing to say, but they pick a line from your last response and ask real off the wall questions. Their goal, to take over the conversation and have you defend or prepare response to which they have only one interest, to find something they can send you off researching... and they keep this up as long as you make the effort to prepare responses. It does not take long for all other who normally would add to the conversation to abandon the thread leaving only two people involved; one doing research and the other JAQing Off!

And both of these types of Trolls (yes, there are other types) are extremely affective. They seem to be limitless in summoning "alternative facts" one after the other, making it impossible to counter all of them and in the end when you walk away, it appears as though they won the "argument" or the discussion. This reinforces their mindsets and they will repeat those actions which they feel are successful.

At this point, I ask why do we feed those Trolls, should we feed them, or put in the effort to respond to them? Do they deserve a cogent reply? For my opinion.... I say yes! Not to make them happy or even to "win" the debate, but because while doing research to respond to our Trolls, one can not help but learn something new. The OPP Trolls force us to be intellectually honest intellectually honest.

All opinions, and yes even the Trolls, are welcome to share their views..... so what say you? Feed them or let them starve for attention?
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are think... (show quote)


I've spent some amount of time in the past feeding you, Pennylynn.
I was responsible for discouraging your habit of plagiarizing other writers.
You want to learn something new, Pennylynn? Research why none of the 19 alleged hijackers showed up on airport security videos on 9/11.
Everyone who boards an airliner is videoed more than once as they pass through airport baggage security. There were four alleged groups at two different airports.
Why did none of these phantom hijackers show up on the videos so the Bush Administration could have proof they got on the planes?
Since they weren't on the videos, it's obvious they didn't get on the 4 planes.

.

Muhhamed Atta showed up on two separate security videos at the Portland, Maine airport early on the morning of 9/11. Why aren't there videos of all the alleged hijackers at the much more secure Dulles and Logan airports?
Muhhamed Atta showed up on two separate security v...



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Apr 25, 2017 16:11:26   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are thinking... to add our own thoughts, and some say to correct misleading or misunderstood facts. This is all fine and well until the dreaded Trolls arrive with their one line comments that include “wake up, sheeple” or perhaps “you are all fools.” Many of us just by pass these remarks because these people are a type of troll.... meaning they have nothing useful to apply to the conversation or topic.

There are two other types of Trolls that seem to have made their homes on OPP. The first, I term as Gish Galloping. These folks seem to have no limit to their ability to present a cyber-flood of individually-weak arguments. They seem to do this to prevent rebuttal without expending much energy. They are the Johnny Appleseed of unrelated ideas and comments which they insert into conversation to sow confusion to make themselves appear (mostly to themselves) that they are intellectually better equipped or knowledgeable in a wide range of topics.

The other Troll we deal with is the JAQing Off; or the Just Asking Questions. These folks are very much like the Gish Galloper, with an exception. They simply toss out question after question. They have nothing to say, but they pick a line from your last response and ask real off the wall questions. Their goal, to take over the conversation and have you defend or prepare response to which they have only one interest, to find something they can send you off researching... and they keep this up as long as you make the effort to prepare responses. It does not take long for all other who normally would add to the conversation to abandon the thread leaving only two people involved; one doing research and the other JAQing Off!

And both of these types of Trolls (yes, there are other types) are extremely affective. They seem to be limitless in summoning "alternative facts" one after the other, making it impossible to counter all of them and in the end when you walk away, it appears as though they won the "argument" or the discussion. This reinforces their mindsets and they will repeat those actions which they feel are successful.

At this point, I ask why do we feed those Trolls, should we feed them, or put in the effort to respond to them? Do they deserve a cogent reply? For my opinion.... I say yes! Not to make them happy or even to "win" the debate, but because while doing research to respond to our Trolls, one can not help but learn something new. The OPP Trolls force us to be intellectually honest intellectually honest.

All opinions, and yes even the Trolls, are welcome to share their views..... so what say you? Feed them or let them starve for attention?
Each day we visit OPP to see what others are think... (show quote)


What you do is simply ignore, don't feed them.. Every one of us by "feeding" them invite more!!

Why not go right past their post?? They thrive on the discontent they try to lay before us and when we bite are all the more happy with themself...

If they don't have anyone replying to them then maybe they will find a new home..

Your thread will likely bring out more of them right here too..That self identification is a wonderful too.. You are one smart lady!!!

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Apr 25, 2017 16:13:16   #
payne1000
 
pafret wrote:
Discussing anything with the type of individual you describe is a waste of what little lifetime I have left. I do get sucked in at times but in general when I see one of our resident cretins involved in a post, I unwatch it or never comment. I recently put my first dolt on ignore because he constantly posts lies, once I did that it opened the flood gate and I put six more on ignore within two days. There are far more discussions and less time wasters coming in now. Trolls do not deserve any reply, some people enjoy bandinage with fools but as the expression goes it is difficult to tell them apart.
Discussing anything with the type of individual yo... (show quote)


It would improve this forum tremendously if everyone were required to post under their real name and give their general location.
That way each member would be available to research which could reveal whether they are trolls or not.
Most forum members would not be so quick to lie and insult if those lies and insults could be connected to who they are in real life.
None of the trolls who constantly insult me will reveal their names even though I have asked them many times.
They would rather be seen as cowards than say who they are.
My name is Larry Payne. I live in Castell, TX.

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Apr 25, 2017 16:16:16   #
zillaorange
 
lindajoy wrote:
What you do is simply ignore, don't feed them.. Every one of us by "feeding" them invite more!!

Why not go right past their post?? They thrive on the discontent they try to lay before us and when we bite are all the more happy with themself...

If they don't have anyone replying to them then maybe they will find a new home..

Your thread will likely bring out more of them right here too..That self identification is a wonderful too.. You are one smart lady!!!
What you do is simply ignore, don't feed them.. Ev... (show quote)



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