I came to the board in the hopes of finding people who wanted to discuss the political events of the day, enlighten some with my wisdom (yeah, right) and be enlightened by some with more wisdom than myself. What I found was a few of these individuals, who usually quit posting new topics because they got tired of every topic being bastardized into a bunch of infantile rants that amounted to no more than "my party is great and you are stupid". I even found myself sucked into that mind set for a while. I have to say, this is a very interesting group, but simply not what I'm looking for in a forum where I might spend a couple hours a day.
To you who think you have succeeded in driving me away, you think way too much of yourself.
There is one group I would like to address before leaving and that group is a subset of the Christians on this board.
I am a Christian, but not because I'm perfect, not because I'm better than anyone else, not because of my incredible intelligence nor my dashing good looks (Thank God those last two aren't prerequisites),and most of all, not because of any great "works" on my part. I AM a Christian because of the Grace of God and nothing else.
The subset I want to say a final word to are those who think that the Holy Bible is good for everything, but specially good since it's heavy, for beating people over the head.
The Bible does contain everything you need and is good for teaching and reproach, but the teaching is supposed to be about the love of God, and the reproach is supposed to be to other Christians.
I say to you, you are an embarrassment to the faith and someday you might just have to explain yourself (at least your words) to God Almighty.
Why is it that someone who is "saved" by the Grace of God and not by works, turns around and uses the Holy and unerring Word of God as a sledgehammer to beat others with? Really? If this is what you are being taught, change churches. If you didn't learn this in church, pay attention!
I know this isn't loving speak, but remember that the people Jesus called a brood of snakes as well as other choice names were the religious leaders. This is exactly what you are... you wash your hands according to the old testament and you seem to think this makes you better than others... you are not! You hinder the advancement of the kingdom of God, not encourage it. I do know that there are loving Christians in the world because they were the ones who made me feel that Christianity was worth looking into.
To you who are here for a good political discussion, good luck and I wish you well.
To you who are Christian and understand my rant, God bless (I won't bless non-Christians simply because I am not trying to be offensive to any other than my "brotherhood" today).
There will be a few characters I'll miss, and I know there are many here who don't fit any group I mentioned and to those, please don't take offense at my rant... it simply wasn't aimed at you.
To all, have a wonderful life, have a great day, and unfortunately, I won't see any responses because I'm turning watch off since I don't need my email blown up.
Oh, and if you see me on another board, say hi, or kiss my butt, or whatever! ;-)
jonhatfield wrote:
Since most OPPers are not exactly committed to traditional party politics...and in fact those with TP and RWE tendencies already a problem for the Republican Party...I would like to modify the statement to urge RWE tendency thinkers to think outside their group and become a problem for the group...and perhaps bring them back toward realities from the swampy idiocies presently dragging down the whole right side of our politics. We need two balanced and truly diverse parties, not two parties in danger of takeover by extremist groups and factionalisms that leave the middle disrepresented and warp self-government.
I'm not disagreeing with your idea, Rumi, just making sure everyone understands that thinking independentlly means independent, not side group-think. I imagine most TPs and RWEs think of themselves as thinking outside the box. Yes, very outside the mainstream box but very much inside a group-think box that is the opposite of independent thinking. They need to understand what independent thinking is...that is, if it's possible for them to think outside the peculiar box they've gotten themselves into. :roll:
Regarding the non-RWEs on OPP, there seems to be no group-think involved and they appear to be a diverse and independent-thinking bunch of individuals. Or at least so far I haven't spotted an OPP club of Gov.Dean's Americans for Democracy with that group's tendency to demand conformity to their further left brand. Thus, I addressed my point to OPP RWEs, but in the larger world your point and my refocus on it applies to both left and right group-think. I'll go further and state that group operations on political forums like OPP is basicly dishonest, and state that there appears to be a RWE group operation on OPP that clearly isn't honest independent thinking and debate--deliberately and despicably dishonest in group operation. Their Alinsky playbook tactics define the group operation. There's also an even more dishonest Putin New Russia OPP operation infiltrating and twisting the RWE group-think points toward Putin
advantage thought...not obvious until the operation went into high gear in Feb. when the Ukraine situation developed and into higher gear the past three weeks. Anyone interested in Russian geopolitical points on Ukraine, Syria and Middle East, American aggression history since WWII, role of 'petrodollar,' fiat currency, and Fed Reserve and dollar as world reserve currency need only check the Pana/Capitalist/Patty Feb-March sequence of posted subjects...quite the education in New Russia neo-fascist geopolitics and propaganda twists if anyone is interested--an OPP operation characterized by quotes from RT and other Russian internet propaganda sites and Paul Craig Roberts--also notable for Alinskisms. :-P
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So much for removing the right/left absurdity... good job at showing exactly how accurate his thread title is.
rumitoid wrote:
Be a problem to your party; think independently!
excellent post! I would have responded earlier but have been enjoying the sun (okay, I was doing some yardwork, but the sun was shining!)
I have been trying to think of a simple title to show how disgusted I am with the behavior on the forum from both sides (and those who don't have a side and are simply here to annoy others), and you nailed it! Simplicity at its best!
Thank you.
rumitoid wrote:
Equality is not anything like what Conservatives tell you, like O'Reilly. He claims that equality is utterly impossible because we all have different talents and abilities. Pure idiocy! This kind of logic from the Right is depressing: what the heck are they thinking. or if they are thinking at all? Then I see 50k likes his comments on Twitter to what O'Reilly said and suicide becomes not just an option but a way to leave this life whole: yet I am only opting out of Wonderland, not the world.
Equality is basic to life, what the DOI guaranteed for all. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is the basis of equality, our God-given rights. O'Reilly is either unconversant as to what liberty is or was just in attack mode as his network demanded.
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Not trying to be offensive, I like the thought shown in the post, but I kind of think you (or someone) is confusing "equality" with earning equality. Just because you choose to be a doctor and I choose to be a garbage carrier, doesn't make us unequal. We will definitely have unequality in our earning abilities but why should I get paid as much as you?
I believe when he said "equality", he didn't mean the people are unequal as humans, but the more common description based on earnings. Those who claim all people should earn the same or that some rich people should give up some of their hard earned (or even inherited) moneys to even the playing field are simply either not realistic, too lazy to earn their own, or simply have a sense of entitlement which is so rampant in our society. Of course, I don't know the man, so I could be completely wrong.
Anigav6969 wrote:
Just throwing that one out there...I feel this is a true statement...let the abusive posts fly !
Possibly since the largest population centers in the states tend to be pretty liberal. Would be interesting to do a little demographics on the idea. (and thanks for not posting "you might be a...") I am dieing to read something that doesn't exist just so one person can try to feel superior to another... truly sick of it.
jjb2012 wrote:
You might be a tea party conservative if
1 You believe Ronald Reagan actually reduced the deficit
2 George Bush actually did anything good. He was the ONLY president in history to lower taxes while fighting any war.
3 Dick Cheney never did not lie to Congress and the american people to make certain that his company Halliburton could make billions in Iraq. Not to mention the defense industry as a whole.
4 If you believe in increasing aid to corporate farmers , big oil , House and Senate member's who either own farms themselves or their families do , while cutting food stamps for the poor , veterans, and the elderly at the same time is a good thing.
5 deregulation had nothing to do with the worst economic collapse since 1929 just 10 years after the repeal of Glass-Steagall.
6 you believe there is a difference between what happened to our soldiers standing guard in Lebanon thanks to Ronald Reagan with no live ammunition and what happened in Benghazi. Especially after the House cut funding for our embassy's just a year before the tragedy.
7 That we were socialist from 1940 to 1979 when the highest tax rates were never below 60%
8 you believe for the last 34 years we have not had a new economic experiment in wealth redistribution to the top that has precipitated the financial collapse.
9 you believe the government should stay out of our lives but in our doctors office.
10 you believe that without the EPA any business would be responsible.
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You might be an idiot if all you can post is the lame, tired old rhetoric. I'm calling out "ALL SIDES". Stop the infantile name calling and post some topics worth discussing!
Anigav6969 wrote:
I think he has to win that award..if you send our men and women to an unnecessary war..having them get killed or injured...also, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives...you have to get that title hands down..I'm sure there will be plenty of disagreement here..but please tell me why
You are absolutely correct as long as you don't compare him to any democrat president of the last century. Not being nasty or anything, simply tired of all the crap from both sides.
Why doesn't anyone want to take the time to start a discussion instead of an argument anymore? (and please don't claim innocence, you aren't that stupid)
Myview06 wrote:
Christians believe In the word of Jesus. Republicans hate poor people, seniors, minorities, women who aren't obedient,
the disabled. They think it is ok for corporations to pollute our waters, strip our land, big business to pay low wages amounting to slave labor, they don't want poultry and food plants inspected to make sure our food supply is safe. After all, they may have to b help pay for these things. So, I ask, how can someone be a Christian and not believe in the word of Christ?!
Good question. I happen to be a Christian and a Republican, I don't hate the poor, seniors, minorities, women who aren't obedient, nor disabled. In fact, I'm poor, senior, minority (less whites than hispanics in my area), and disabled. I must be a real enigma (or else someone is judging me unfairly, I wonder which it could be).
Vacaman wrote:
Good call, also I have never heard if his dolphin theory. I have heard that some mice actually walk on two legs and can talk. They just choose not to, if memory serves me correctly I have seen talking fish in a movie and talking dogs and horses too on TV. Now esplane dat loosy!
Actually, it was a serious question. I haven't done any research in about 15 years, and at that time every single "missing link" had been debunked. Of course, that was before they found the "mermaids"! ;-)
jonhatfield wrote:
I googled 'common core' as I stated. The real facts about common core are there on wikipedia as I stated...no social studies common core standards and the program is sponsored by the national state governors. Your and your cited source are completely out of reality in your presentation. I don't know what your agenda is, old guy, but I suspect it is deliberate and evil and I know that it is twisted and dishonest.
The real facts about common core are there on wikipedia and other sources for people to check and see the extent of your falseness and dishonesty.
Don't pretend you didn't check my citation of wikipedia by typing in the words 'common core' with your ten fingers. Instead of acknowledging the truth, you chose to re-use Putin-Patty's finger in reply. Super...now you've proved not only dishonest but in cahoots with Pats' Putin propaganda operation on OPP. :evil: :roll: You've fingered yourself, Roy. :!: :!: :P
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Wikipedia? Really? Give me about 45 minutes and there can be an article on the wikipedia that emphatically states the aliens and mermaids were the real ancestral line of the human race. The wikipedia is a dictionary of opinions by its readers. There is not one shred of fact checking there, just a large repository of "information".
Not saying your beliefs are correct or incorrect, but the wikipedia is simply a good place to start looking for information, definitely not the place to rest your trust.
jonhatfield wrote:
OK, old guy, I understood that common core was not involved in social studies, so I googled to see if that was the case. It was. Common core has ZERO involvement in social studies curriculum. Check it out for yourself, Roy.
Most of the RWE common core story line is plain ignorance of what it involves...perhaps indicative of the whole right wing extremist camp. That's my assessment and if you bother to check facts you'll have to admit there's a problem in your camp's common core story line...what amounts to lies, in fact. Personally I'm not particularly a fan of common core. I prefer a variety of curriculum materials and teaching methods and goals toward individualized education (as made possible by the internet) rather than a single standard applying to everyone. The intent of common core actually is setting of standards, by the way, not specification of materials, although it tends in effect toward a set standard and choice of specific material and methods that meet the standard.
Well, my preferences are aside from the main point, which is the falsifications and fabrications about common core that are a shameful reflection on right wing story lines on common core.
Before I shut up, I'll state straightforwardly that the cited source is a classic example of twisted thinking and ignorance. Why didn't you notice that, Roy, before you posted it? It's not just a matter of ignorance of the fact that what he or she was complaining about had zero connection to common core but also several twists and misstatements about the specific content being complained about.
I hope you won't be offended by my blunt statements regarding lies, twisted thinking, ignorance, etc. The only way to correct this misrepresentation of situation was bluntness--otherwise common core would continue to be a false cause and waste of time for right wing focus. Common core literally has zero to do with 'indoctrination' of students. I would go on to discuss the 'indoctrination' concept itself, but that zero reality story line is more than I have time right now to outline...but, believe me, that's another false issue and waste of time and attention.
Check out common core as detailed in Wikipedia to know the real details of common core.
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So, by stating that the common core curriculum doesn't involve social studies and therefore this news release is false and that the kids aren't reading the book? Or are you stating that while they are reading the book, it has nothing to do with whether it has a racist bias? Or are you simply stating that oldroy is wrong because they don't study social studies? Sorry, I'm trying to figure out what exactly you were saying was false!
robert66 wrote:
Thank you for confirming the problems with someone who identifies as a republican. John Boehner makes 223,000.00. I don't think they should get a raise either but it's the republicans who keep things from progressing. Maybe Boehner does deserve more because he works awful hard at f#$king things up. I heard about the arrest thing so if they're all democrats it shows the republicans are better crooks. I'd rather be buddies with some second class Mexican than any republican. I am friends with some though just not idiotic ones like you.
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Wait, you're friends with some "second class Mexicans"? I wonder if they know that's how you see them? Just asking! I have a Mexican neighbor (real Mexican, legal immigrant) who I have learned much from as he was originally a farmer and I have about the blackest green thumb ever. I doubt he would be so friendly if the thought I considered him a second class anything.
To the tune of Oscar Meyer bologna song:
My link is better than your link,
My link is better than yours,
My link is better
cuz it says what I want it to, OH
My link is better than yours!
Not knocking anyone's link specifically just enjoying watching each other ignoring the "data" of the opposite "side".
petertimber wrote:
Recent prophecies have predicted these events and lo and behold they are coming fast and furious. God has gone past warnings or so it would seem and maybe the end times are around the corner........
What prophecy are you describing, (book, chapter, verses)? I know we can expect a worldwide earthquake (the real "big one") but there are and always have been earthquakes.
J Anthony wrote:
That's what makes it all the more disturbing...intelligent, qualified women who are knowingly peddling biased ideology and political propaganda, poisoning the national debate and exacerbating the divisions in this country. All that education and experience accounts for very little if used only to protect and promote the interests of narrow, un-enlightened self-interest.
Your description of their "wares" describes perfectly what every channel disburses and if you don't believe this, you are in for a very "un-enlightened" life. Every channel has the bias of its controllers (whether that be one owner or an entire group) and there simply is no fair reporting left. If you find a truly unbiased news program, please let us all know as any true thinker will tell you it doesn't exist.
Of course, being male and honest, I have to admit that many of the women on fox wear their clothes just a bit tighter than some other channels. Not to be TOO sexist, but is that necessarily a bad thing? ;-)