If there is no interpretation, if things can only be read one way, as you say.
How come the Bible is read differently enough, for there to be, only God knows, different churches.
The Catholics have one Bible, and the Protestants another, but there are many different brands of church, using the King James Bible.
If there is only one way to read something, how can that be.
It can't.
Same with the Constitution
CrazyHorse wrote:
Quid Pro Quo, grazeem: Only a liberal would like to see Jeb Bush run as a republican for president.
So your answer is no?
I personally have had way more of the Bush family than I can stand.
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No evidence, grazeem?! Do you ever read? Do you scan the newspapers, the headlines? Do you listen to news reports? I'll grant you that most mainstream papers and TV are doing everything in their power to save Obama from his screw-ups, but surely, surely you can do some deducting. If YOU had done things that were unconstitutional, illegal, etc, then if you lost your means of protection, exactly what would YOU do? You may not believe us, but Obama does and his staff does. WHY in Heavens' name would he be targeting conservatives unless we are onto him? Do you ever practice logic? If not, I strongly suggest NOW is the time to do so.
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You are letting your prejudices run away with your thinking.
It's not going to happen.
When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it's to late. (Frank Herbert)
I have always liked this quote, because it is so to the point.
Religious zellits, are always sure they are right (correct), and make poor leaders.
Thus the "Establishment clause" in the Constitution.
There is a group on here, that insist that the US was set up as a Christian state. That believe that the Christian God is, and was always, what was intended to be ruling the government.
That is not now, or has it ever been true.
weneedrubio wrote:
While I do believe our drug policy is misguided, it pales in comparison to this ignorant, dishonest professor. Drugs have everything to do with exacerbating the problems people face and to blithely say that they "actually help" is irresponsible in the extreme. This is liberal crap and this so-called "professor" should be fired. It is not surprising a bit that he comes from this Ivy League bullshit factory.
Of course you would dismiss someone that might know something about what he is talking about.
My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts.
WASHINGTON -- Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said Sunday that his parents are divided on whether he should run for president in 2016.
"I think weve got a split ballot amongst the Bush senior family," he said with a smile, in an interview that aired during ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."
"Pretty sure that's the case," he added.
Bush was responding to a question about whether his father, former President George H.W. Bush, thought he should make a bid for the White House. Jeb's mother, Barbara Bush, said in April that she didn't think he should run because "the nation's probably had enough Bushes."
snowbear37 wrote:
I agree with the following response to the article:
"One of the problems I think is that most liberals can't bring themselves to acknowledge the fact that the democrats are actually the party of the ruling elite in America; there are many rich and greedy Republicans, but not as many as there are rich and greedy democrats. The libs just have a better PR machine, and philanthropic window dressing:
'The New American Gazette analyzed the
political contributions of the richest Americans and concluded: An analysis of the Top 20 Richest People in America (from Forbes Top 100)
reveals that a full 60% are actually Democrats. Furthermore, if you
look at it from a family point of view and not as individuals, that ratio widens even further to: 25% Republican / 75% Democrat."
9 of the 10 richest zip cods in America voted for Obama. Can we stop playing this game?"
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I won't disagree with you at all.
Even Bill Mahar bitches about taxes.
We had a good year last year, and paid over $60,000 in taxes. That hurts, but:
This country has been good to me, and as I much as I don't like paying taxes, I realize that taxes are the price of freedom, are the price of being allowed to be prosperous.
I will pay taxes and be thankful.
But you were talking about Democrats and Republicans both being for the big dog's. I agree
I just sit and shake my head.
I am at a loss as to how you guys, have come to any of these conclusions, just stated.
There is no evidence to any of it.
Yankee wrote:
Because some of the supreme justices thought they should rule by how they think a law should be interpreted, not how the Constitution itself addresses the issue. It's called legislating from the bench.
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I looked at your link, and it is just a lot of bible thumping clap trap.
your thought "how the Constitution itself addresses the issue."
That can only be an interpretation, two people will read a sentence differently.
Example:
I have heard Robert Frost's poem "Stopping by woods on a snowy evening" described as a deep study on life and death. I don't get that at all, I read it as a man stopping and enjoying "natures majesty"
Same words, different interpretations.
It is the same with a judge or justice, where you stand depends on where you sit.
I couldn't find anything about this trip, but here is a "Fact Check.Org" answert to a trip to India. It is a bit long, but interesting.
FULL QUESTION
There are reports all over that Obamas India trip will cost $200 million per day. I havent been able to find a credible rebuttal to this but I cant believe it could be true.
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This story has spread rapidly among the presidents critics, but there is simply no evidence to support it. And common sense should lead anyone to doubt it. For example, the entire U.S. war effort in Afghanistan currently costs less than that about $5.7 billion per month, according to the Congressional Research Service, or roughly $190 million per day. How could a peaceful state visit cost more than a war?
What else can you get for $200 million? Try the New Jersey Nets basketball team or possibly the Hope diamond if only the Smithsonian were selling it.
The hard-to-swallow claim originated with a Nov. 2 Press Trust of India article quoting an unnamed "top official" in the government of Maharashtra (one of Indias states). The source was quoted as saying that Obamas upcoming trip to Mumbai will cost $200 million per day for security and living arrangements, among other things. The story claimed that the president would be accompanied by about 3,000 people, including Secret Service agents, government officials and journalists, and will stay at the Taj Mahal Hotel the scene of a 2008 terrorist attack.
We find stories based on anonymous sources always deserve special caution, especially when they come from only one news organization. In this case, the anonymous official is not even in the U.S. government, and any information about costs would necessarily have come second-hand at best, an added reason for caution.
Nevertheless, the story was widely repeated without any additional reporting. Soon after the article was released, The Drudge Report a news aggregation website linked to the Press Trust of India article, with the headline "REPORT: US to spend $200 million per day on Obamas Mumbai visit
" Later that day, Rush Limbaugh claimed on his radio show that "Five hundred seven rooms at the Taj Mahal, 40 airplanes, $200 million a day this nation will spend on Obamas trip to India." He repeats the "$200 million a day" claim several times throughout the show without specifying its source.
The allegation has generated a great deal of Internet discourse over the past few days, including a Washington Times post that claims Obamas entourage on the trip "will spend enough to bankrupt a small nation." According to the Economic Times and The Daily Mail, Obama will take over the entire 570-room Taj Mahal Hotel for the trip. A Google search for the exact words of the original Press Trust article returned about 11,000 results. And we received about two dozen queries about it.
The White House is always reluctant to discuss cost figures about presidential trips, since the bulk of the expense is for Secret Service security. Not this time. The White House press office, which said it had been flooded with queries, gave us the following statement:
Matt Lehrich, White House Office of Media Affairs: The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality. Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but its safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated.
It is always costly to move a U.S. president around the world. And in this case, the president is attending a G-20 meeting and will be accompanied by several cabinet officials. But given the dubious source of this assertion, the fact that the claimed cost exceeds the cost of a war, the flat denial by the White House and the lack of any evidence to support the claim, well classify this one as false.
Lara Seligman
Update, Nov. 4: Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota repeated the claim Nov. 3 on CNNs "Anderson Cooper 360," attacking Obama for "over-the-top spending." When Cooper countered that "no one really knows the cost, because for security reasons they dont disclose the cost," Bachmann responded, Well these are the numbers that have been coming out in the press."
On Nov. 4, Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell called the story "absolutely absurd," because it had claimed that the U.S. Navy was sending 34 warships to the coast off Mumbai as part of the presidents visit:
Morrell, Nov. 4: I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier in support of the presidents trip to Asia.
Thats just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.
ABC News reported that 34 ships would actually amount to nearly 12 percent of the 288 in the Navys fleet, not 10 percent.
Later the same day, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said during his regular press briefing that the $200 million per day estimate is incorrect.
Gibbs, Nov 4: Well, we have set the record straight with you guys. Im not going to go into how much it costs to protect the president. Costs are comparable to when President Clinton and when President Bush traveled abroad.
So how much did those trips cost? In the case of some Clinton trips, we have figures from a 1999 report by the U.S. General Accounting Office now called the Government Accountability Office. The GAO said that Clintons trips to Africa, Chile and China in 1998 cost at least $42.8 million, $10.5 million and $18.8 million, respectively not counting the still-classified cost of providing Secret Service protection.
In Africa, Clinton was accompanied by about 1,300 individuals not including members of the Secret Service representing the White House, the Department of Defense and other federal agencies. The president visited six countries in 12 days, which means the trip cost $3.6 million per day.
Clinton made the five-day Chile trip in order to attend the second Summit of the Americas a meeting of 34 heads of state or governments from countries in the Americas and to hold meetings with the president of Chile. About 600 individuals accompanied the president on the trip, which we calculated would have cost $2.1 million per day.
When Clinton visited China to conduct talks with the president of China, he brought along about 500 individuals. The trip lasted nine days, which works out to a little less than $2.1 million per day.
The total cost including Secret Service protection would of course be somewhat higher, but even doubling or tripling those figures and adding in an adjustment for inflation would not produce anything close to the figure given by the Indian news article for Obamas trip.
Sources
Schmelzer, Paul. "Using inaccurate figure, Bachmann calls Obamas India trip massive overspending." The Minnesota Independent. 4 Nov 2010.
Martinez, Luis "Pentagon Dismisses Reports of 34 Warships for Obama Trip Security" ABC News. 4 Nov 2010.
General Accounting Office. "Costs and Accounting For the Presidents 1998 Trips to Africa, Chile, and China." 21 Sept 1999.
Congressional Research Service. "The Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11." 2 Sep 2010.
Eichelberger, Curtis. "Prokhorovs $200 Million Purchase of Nets Gets NBA Approval." Bloomberg Business Week. 12 May 2010.
"Mystery of the Hope Diamond." Press release. Smithsonian Channel.25 Oct 2010.
Press Trust of India. "US to spend $200 mn a day on Obamas Mumbai visit." NDTV.com. 2 Nov 2010.
Sengupta, Somini. "At Least 100 Dead in India Terror Attacks." New York Times. 26 Nov 2008.
The Drudge Report. 2 November 2010, accessed 3 Nov 2010.
Stack of Stuff Quick Hits Page. The Rush Limbaugh Show. 2 Nov 2010, accessed 3 Nov 2010.
Knight, Robert. "Pulling back the curtain on Obamas audacity." The Washington Times. 29 Oct 2010.
Mumbai Mirror. "Barack and Michelles Mumbai darshan plans." The Economic Times. 23 Oct 2010.
White, James. "$200m-a-day cost of Barack Obamas trip to India will be picked up by U.S. taxpayers." The Daily Mail. 2 Nov 2010.
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A: No. The Pentagon merely restated its long-held policy that military members can share their faith (evangelize) but not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others
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Tasine wrote:
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Exactly the reason I quit the Republican Party in total disgust after 50 years of voting Republican. Idiocy is idiocy and I will not support it. I'll never vote Democrat - and as things stand now, I'll never vote Republican again either.
I suspect it is irrelevant - I strongly suspect the US will never have another Presidential election.
Please explain your last statement.
Yankee Clipper wrote:
This is a long read, 4 parts, but it worth wading through it. It gives an insight to various members of the supreme court. It exposes that the Supremes both left and right leaning base their decisions on their personal ideologies rather than the writings of the Constitution itself as they are supposed to do.
http://joemiller.us/2013/06/getting-it-wrong-about-getting-it-right/
That's where you're wrong, or at least that is where we will disagree. The Supreme Court Justice is there to "INTERPET" the Constitution.
Life experience will bring two people to two different interpretations.
You can say no that isn't correct, they are there to follow it, but like any writing, it will be read differently by two people, at two different times in history.
Why do you think there are contradictory rulings, over the century's? Interpretation!!
Of course you can be arrested, before you commit a crime.
What do you call the people that get caught in stings with the FBI.
Someone sats down with some friends and thinking out loud said we should put a bomb in such and such. (Just talking out loud, with no intention of doing it.) One of the "friends" tells the FBI, the FBI offers the guy C-4 to do the job, he has a weak moment, and is arrested.
Everyone on this site, has wanted to, in their mind, kill someone. With the right set of coincidences, it is a crime.
The more we knuckle under to all the intrusive spying, the more likely it is to happen.
We are a big strong country, we can stand a hit now and then. It is better than giving up all our freedoms.
Stop being so scared. Don't worry, be happy.