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May 18, 2015 06:59:20   #
SeniorVerdad wrote:
Find yourself a cabin way in the woods somewhere and stock up on freeze-dried food like military MRE's. People will be shipped off to FEMA internment camps.


SeniorVerdad,

It is a very sobering thought to finally come to realize that this COULD actually happen here in America.
The FED is the tool that has the power to make it happen on cue, whenever the "powers" feel the time is right. All the FED has to do is start raising the prime rate slowly, just as they did to precipitate the housing "great recession" crisis just as Obama was coming in.

I'm sold on the fact that the stage is being set, but the control apparatus needed for the government to take control may not be completely in place yet.

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May 15, 2015 07:14:40   #
Alicia wrote:
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Firstly and very importantly, she knows when to keep her mouth shut. That's more than can be said for any of your 19 applicants. It is the circus of the RNC that I am looking forward to. I doubt any professional comedy act could compare with that show. :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol: And Carson doesn't stand a chance with that crew. As I said, he's a nice guy.


Alicia,

Concerning Hillary, I'd like to hear what you think about her using her own server for official business and then destroyed it without any neutral party reviewing the data.

Certainly "Intelligent", but HONEST??? This is what you want in your President? (PLEASE Don't excuse it the typical liberal way by saying all the Conservatives are dishonest too, as if that makes it OK, ?)

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May 14, 2015 08:22:46   #
bylm1 wrote:
Sorry about the honey thing. Sometimes it just slips out. I don't consider it condescending at all. I would guess that about 3 out of 5 store clerks (female) call me honey when I check out. It sort of makes me feel good. As far as Michelle's spending reputation, I understand all of what you say. I don't subscribe to it 100% because you know as well as I that those expenses don't come out of thin air. It always comes down to the taxpayers in the end, doesn't it? My main concern is the appearance of reckless spending that it conveys to the average person who isn't able to conceive of that kind of waste. Your last paragraph is so far off base I hardly know how to respond. You liberals seem to find hatred in almost everything that disagrees with your philosophy. There is no hatred there. By the way, I am not complaining about the expenses for ONLY the first family. I am complaining about the fact that we now have a national debt exceeding $18 Trillion - Incomprehensible to most of us. I will confess that I disagree with nearly all of this administration's policies and it has absolutely nothing to do with his ancestry. I want Ben Carson. Nice hearing from you, Ma'm.
Sorry about the honey thing. Sometimes it just sl... (show quote)


bylm1,

Good respectful post, I'm sure this reflects the feelings of many conservatives on this forum, it does mine. :thumbup:

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May 13, 2015 07:55:20   #


Raylan Wolfe,

This liberal hit piece tells you how important FOX NEWS is to the United States' survival. Like Hitler, in order for him to take over, he had to get rid of all the news sources that expose the truth about what he was doing. Hitler had a propaganda ministry and the brown shirts. Hitler succeeded, look at how that one ended.
Obama has all the George Soros' misinformation organizations and his cyber assets (on line supporters). Will Obama succeed in his destruction/transformation attempt also? Where will that take us? Socialism? Social Justice? Serfdom?

Aren't you ashamed to be one of his supporters? Maybe you don't fully understand where this is going? (And maybe you do).

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May 8, 2015 07:51:59   #
moldyoldy wrote:
It seems that all of these desecrations are an attempt to get a reaction. I do not approve of any of them. Peoples beliefs are their own business, and should not be demeaned or forced on others. The lady in texas new what she was doing would likely get a violent reaction. She willingly put people in danger to get notoriety. Now the anti Muslims are up in arms, the peaceful local Muslim community is in danger, and she is grinning all the way to the bank.


moldyoldy,

I want you to think a little bit about your comment. WHO is placing people in danger of being killed? Who is doing the killing? The lady in Texas? WHY are they doing the killing they are doing around the world, especially in the middle east? (The radical Islamist have told you they will kill here in America the first chance they get, they tried this time (unsuccessfully) in Texas.) Is it because we are insulting them? Do you think they will stop if we quit insulting them? Do you think it is worth our efforts to resist them? It is OK to kill them but not OK to insult them? (I'm having trouble here following the logic)

You seem to think that the Lady's sole purpose was to make money. Do you know that she has written a book about the danger of the Islamic threat to the world? Could she have possibly (like she said) staged this event to bring this danger out in the open so EVEN YOU could become aware and maybe understand?

Too often now, it is becoming NECESSARY to call evil by it's name whether they like it or not. We are fortunate that we still have that right guaranteed by our constitution. It is an essential right if we are to remain free.

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May 7, 2015 07:06:46   #
DanceTherapist wrote:
KKHI - point well taken.

And a great topic for discussion. I've already replied to SheWolf's topic about this attack in Texas.

It is well worth for many to think about the consequences of free speach.

Ms. Geller was not a "crank". She is, as SheWolf described, self-serving, uncaring, narcissistic, playing with 1st Amendment rights. Yes, I remember the whole exhibit at MOMA, the "piss Christ" and other pieces by other British artists.

I believe one ought to think carefully before doing and/or exhibiting something to which they are fully entitled according to our Constitutional rights. I am not opposed to free speach, by any measure.

I do think that what is amoral and depicts anyone's religious beliefs, or anyone's sexual orientation with hatred and beligerence, needs to step back, and think carefully about the ends justifying the means. To Muslims, depiction, as you said, of the Mohammed, and all sentient beings, is prohibited. This needs careful consideration. What is next? Nazi's again marching in Skokie? The KKK, alive and thriving in, not
only the South? OH, yes, the Khmer Rouge is also alive
and thriving in Cambodia.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, LGBT hatred, all protected under our 1st Amendment rights.

Amoral or perfectly alright?

What do you all think??? Curious in Oakland. Dance
Therapist.
KKHI - point well taken. br br And a great topic ... (show quote)


DanceTherapist,

You seem to have pretty much missed the point of the whole episode at Garland. It pretty well illustrated the differences between liberty for American citizens as defined by our constitution and Islamic rule (Sharia law). This is apparently needed as many people on this forum seemed to entirely miss the point.

No one is saying that you should insult anyone but you should have the right to express an opinion even (especially) if someone else doesn't like it. That is a VERY IMPORTANT right guaranteed by our constitution. You have the right to Ignore anything I say, but you don't have the right to kill me for saying it.

You are politically active as evidenced by your participation in this forum, are you aware of the worldwide efforts, including the efforts in the United States, to bring Sharia Law to "the world"? Islamic rule (sharia law) is tyranny, it is more than a religion, it is a governing system. (If you are a woman you probably wouldn't like it.)

This effort to limit free speech under threat of death is just one of the first steps in implementing Islamic (sharia law) rule. Are you aware of what is happening throughout the middle east presently???????

I suggest you do a little research on the subject, that is what the Garland incident was all about.

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May 6, 2015 07:55:09   #
KHH1 wrote:
Attack in Garland is an assault on free speech

By Washington Examiner | May 5, 2015 | 5:00 am
Let there be no confusion: The First Amendment exists precisely to protect speech offensive...
On Sunday night, two Islamic fanatics were killed right as they began their attack in Garland, Texas. They failed to kill.... ....

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KHH1,

A little comment on the title of your post:

"All Speech Has Consequences-Just because You Are Free To Say Something, Should You?"

I would add that the lack of FREE speech has even greater consequences.

Any reasonable person understands that what I say does not change you or make you anything you weren't already. What you are is only defined by what YOU say or do.

Ignoring anything I say of a personal nature (having confidence in your own character) causes my comment to be of little consequence.. That would seem to be a better approach than trying to kill me. Just sayin'..

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May 6, 2015 07:37:03   #
KHH1 wrote:
Attack in Garland is an assault on free speech

By Washington Examiner | May 5, 2015 | 5:00 am
Let there be no confusion: The First Amendment exists precisely to protect speech offensive...
On Sunday night, two Islamic fanatics were killed right as they began their attack in Garland, Texas. They failed to kill anyone in their assault against a gathering of the American Freedom Defense Initiative which had been advertised as a contest to draw cartoons of Mohammed, the prophet of Islam.
Some have recognized the attack as an assault on the freedom of speech — the sort of attack that has inspired groups like AFDI to wage public campaigns against the Islamic faith. Others have denounced AFDI as a hate group that routinely demonizes Muslims and in this case tried to provoke them.

Perhaps everyone is at least partly right — but that doesn't mean everyone is morally equal.

In the late 1980s, a U.S. government grant for artist Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ" showed the lengths to which some bureaucrats and artistic elites will go in order to offend religious sensibilities. At the time, those Christians who objected were given high-handed lectures about how, in a pluralistic society where freedom of speech is paramount, they must tolerate (and perhaps even fund) provocations against their religion.
Likewise, the event in Garland was surely provocative, even if it wasn't government-funded. Islamic tradition prohibits the depiction of sentient beings, but depictions of Mohammed are considered especially sacrilegious — the rough equivalent of the desecration of Christian images or relics.

But as provocative as a Mohammed-drawing contest may be, what about all of those lectures from the times of "Piss Christ?" Do those no longer apply now, when free speech offends a group less distasteful to the cultural elite? Are offenses against Christian sensibilities the only ones permitted by the First Amendment?

And will the lecturers maintain their silence if other events that represent potential provocations to some Muslims — say, gay-pride parades — begin to inspire attacks as well?

Let there be no confusion: The First Amendment exists precisely to protect speech offensive enough to motivate a coercive response. To say otherwise is to defeat its purpose. If no one expressed themselves in ways that made others uncomfortable, there would be no need for the Constitution's near-absolute prohibition on laws about what people can and cannot say. This is why the Garland group's provocation is an insignificant matter compared to the lack of restraint shown by the two deceased malefactors. The worst possible response to this attack is to say that those who staged the Garland event are cranks who hold offensive opinions, and therefore somehow their rights are less equal than those of other Americans.

Neither compassion nor toleration permits the drawing of any moral equivalency between provocative speech and violence.

Most Americans learn at a young age that they have no business using violence or threats to force others to conform to or even respect their own religious beliefs. The future must not belong to those unwilling to absorb that very basic lesson of good citizenship.
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KHH1,

Good Post. The contest was more than just an exercise in free speech, it was a purposeful challenge to those radical extremist who are telling free Americans that they should be submissive and obey the Islam religion under threat of death. As it turned out, it was a resounding "NO" punctuated with two less jihadist whose mission is to murder infidels (anyone not a Muslim).

I reserve the right to say whatever I wish (speech that is legal by US law) and you have the right to ignore me. You don't have the right to practice Sharia law here in the US (yet?) and kill me for saying something that displeases you.

The Texas incident brings this "conflict of laws" out in the open, this is useful if we hope to keep our freedoms, both religious and personal.

GOOD POST!

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May 6, 2015 07:09:53   #
KHH1 wrote:
Whoever they are that is for black people to determine and whites like you righties to not be concerned with...because you all could give a shit less about blacks..and blacks could give a shit less about righties.........


KHH1,

The evidence shows that you (blacks?) are not doing a very good job at picking who your leaders are. You definitely could use some help for your own good. You sound like you don't want to be considered an American along with the rest of us.(??) (BTW, When someone tells you that you really have a serious emotional problem, Listen to 'em)

P. S.....I "give a shit" about all true AMERICANS (black, white, yellow, brown, red, or green) who have the best interests of this country at heart. Though, It is hard for me to "give a shit" about those of any color who feel justified in burning and looting and shooting cops.

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May 5, 2015 18:22:01   #
KHH1 wrote:
**I tend to agree with W.E.B. Dubois....Washington's plan was basically to throw yourself at the mercy of the white man and prove your pwrth to them for acceptance...the same thing today'sblack con's do...at the expense of their race.

Two great leaders of the black community in the late 19th and 20th century were W.E.B. Du Bois and Booker T. Washington. However, they sharply disagreed on strategies for black social and economic progress. Their opposing philosophies can be found in much of today's discussions over how to end class and racial injustice, what is the role of black leadership, and what do the 'haves' owe the 'have-nots' in the black community.

Booker T. Washington, educator, reformer and the most influentional black leader of his time (1856-1915) preached a philosophy of self-help, racial solidarity and accomodation. He urged blacks to accept discrimination for the time being and concentrate on elevating themselves through hard work and material prosperity. He believed in education in the crafts, industrial and farming skills and the cultivation of the virtues of patience, enterprise and thrift. This, he said, would win the respect of whites and lead to African Americans being fully accepted as citizens and integrated into all strata of society.

W.E.B. Du Bois, a towering black intellectual, scholar and political thinker (1868-1963) said no--Washington's strategy would serve only to perpetuate white oppression. Du Bois advocated political action and a civil rights agenda (he helped found the NAACP). In addition, he argued that social change could be accomplished by developing the small group of college-educated blacks he called "the Talented Tenth:"


"The Negro Race, like all races, is going to be saved by its exceptional men. The problem of education then, among Negroes, must first of all deal with the "Talented Tenth." It is the problem of developing the best of this race that they may guide the Mass away from the contamination and death of the worst."


At the time, the Washington/Du Bois dispute polarized African American leaders into two wings--the 'conservative' supporters of Washington and his 'radical' critics. The Du Bois philosophy of agitation and protest for civil rights flowed directly into the Civil Rights movement which began to develop in the 1950's and exploded in the 1960's. Booker T. today is associated, perhaps unfairly, with the self-help/colorblind/Republican/Clarence Thomas/Thomas Sowell wing of the black community and its leaders. The Nation of Islam and Maulana Karenga's Afrocentrism derive too from this strand out of Booker T.'s philosophy. However, the latter advocated withdrawal from the mainstream in the name of economic advancement.
**I tend to agree with W.E.B. Dubois....Washington... (show quote)


KHH!,

Come back to earth where it is at.....

Your Post..."The Negro Race, like all races, is going to be saved by its exceptional men".

Is Al Sharpton one of those exceptional men you mean? How about Jesse Jackson? ...AND...It seems that many blacks aren't really paying attention to another great man; Martin Luther King and his non violent methods of protesting.

Just an opinion of mine, But that black mom in Baltimore saving her teenage son, and people like her with common sense and decency will play a very large part in "saving" the black race; she was not even a man and probably not a lot of formal education. I admire the woman. She, and people like her, are the salvation of the black race (or the human race for that matter).

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May 5, 2015 07:24:45   #
astrolite wrote:
All the way back to the 60's the blacks were talking "Revolution" , "take back everything that whitey took from them"?????????? It was easy to start riots again as a communist excuse for martial law and a communist takeover of America by the usurper.


astrolite,

My opinion; When/If the transformation of America is successful/complete it won't be the blacks that are in charge. The blacks (some willingly, some ignorant) are being used by Obama and the people he works for. We are all in deep doo doo if more of us don't wake up soon and do something about it such as speaking out and voting accordingly.

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May 4, 2015 07:48:19   #
America Only wrote:
The "history" being written today is, that blacks are not to be held accountable for their own actions. The if an Officer of the law, enforces the law, he is then made out to be the bad guy.

Blacks ARE the problem. Period. Not all of the problem but most.


America Only,

When you consider that the "black problem" (racial tensions and violence) has been deliberately created and encouraged by our leaders, what does that tell you about our leaders and their agenda? That is a bigger problem than the racial strife.

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May 3, 2015 07:58:02   #
dwallace2015 wrote:
The real problem is the "Police" culture, not the black or any other.
The police, (black - white - pink, or polka-dot)are being militarized so as to be the first line of oppression against the American people. This type of thing has precidence in history. One only need to look at the
"Third Reich" to see the parallels. In every country at every time there is dictatorship, the police are in EVERY instance the front line of aggression against the very people who gave them authority. History has never been learned by the human race, therefore it is once again being repeated. Wise up America, study your past history, because it is becoming current history. Lord help us all.
The real problem is the "Police" culture... (show quote)


dwallace2015,

There are some cases of corrupt individuals in the police force and should be dealt with on an individual basis legally. It is probably about the same percentages as there are corrupt lawyers, doctors, engineers, and common citizens.

BUT, at present there is the historical attempts by elite individuals (Some international players) to take over the country and they need an enforcing agency. Note the call for the Federal government to take over all the policing in the U. S. by Obama's adviser, Al Sharpton. The culprit is the central governments quest for power/control over its citizens, You are right .... learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it.

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May 3, 2015 07:45:49   #
Ve'hoe wrote:
Beg to differ,,,


The same socio-economic circumstances exist on the reservations,,,,, but we dont burn each other out, kill and maim, and then blame the white man. Our skin color, does not make, nor allow us, to act like violent animals, to each other, or the government, or population at large,, that is the black culture lie,,,

The first part is correct though, leftism, festers into violence and crime, for those too stupid to resist its lure of freebies,, on them.


Ve'hoe,

I didn't really see where you differed from my post, you seemed to agree that it was not really a "culture" but a particular behavior chosen by some individuals. It is not a black group behavior associated with color, as there are many black individuals who do not subscribe to the "culture" of victim hood as a justification to loot and burn. (consider the Mom who tried to stop her teenage son). It is only those individuals who accept the LIBERAL (misguided) notion that they are entitled to special treatment because of slavery or because the whites hate them and they are told they are not capable of making something of themselves without government control/"help". The violence will only stop when enough black individuals recognize that what the government is purposely feeding them is just political BS and decide they do need to be responsible for their own lives and act accordingly. No one else can do it for them!

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May 2, 2015 07:49:47   #
KHH1 wrote:
By N. D. B. CONNOLLYMAY 1, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/opinion/black-culture-is-not-the-problem.html?emc=edit_tnt_20150501&nlid=51247735&tntemail0=y&_r=0

BALTIMORE — IN the wake of the Michael Brown shooting and subsequent unrest in Ferguson, Mo., commentators noted the absence of black representatives among Ferguson’s elected officials and its police leadership. A Department of Justice report highlighted how Ferguson’s mostly white City Council and its courts spurred on explicitly racist policing, in part to harvest fines from black residents.

Then came Baltimore. The death of Freddie Gray, like those of Eric Garner, John Crawford III, Rekia Boyd and so many other unarmed African-Americans, at first seemed to fit the all-too-familiar template — white cops, black suspect, black corpse.

But unlike New York, Chicago and other cities with white leaders, Baltimore has a black mayor, a black police commissioner and a majority-black City Council. Yet the city still has one of the most stained records of police brutality in recent years.

In the absence of a perceptible “white power structure,” the discussion around Baltimore has quickly turned to one about the failings of black culture. This confuses even those who sympathize with black hardship. When people took to the streets and destroyed property, most observers did not see an understandable social response to apparent state inaction. They saw, in the words of Baltimore’s mayor, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, “thugs,” or in the words of President Obama, “criminals and thugs.”

To be fair, the mayor later expressed regret, and both she and the president have tried to show empathy for the dispossessed. But they are also fighting myths about degenerate black culture. Condemning “criminals” and “thugs” seems to get them away from beliefs about broad black inferiority.

Yet when black people of influence make these arguments, it prevents us from questioning Baltimore the way we questioned Ferguson.

Instead, we lionize people like Toya Graham, the Baltimore mother who went upside the head of her rioting son. Baltimore’s police commissioner, Anthony W. Batts, applauded her, pleading with parents to “take control of your kids.” But the footage certainly affirms violence as the best way to get wayward black people under control.

Moreover, by treating a moment of black-on-black violence as a bright spot, we take our eye off the circumstances that created the event. We forget, for instance, about how officials, in their fear of black youth, issued what witnesses said was a pre-emptive riot-police blockade hemming in students around Mondawmin Mall, where looting erupted.

The problem is not black culture. It is policy and politics, the very things that bind together the history of Ferguson and Baltimore and, for that matter, the rest of America.

Specifically, the problem rests on the continued profitability of racism. Freddie Gray’s exposure to lead paint as a child, his suspected participation in the drug trade, and the relative confinement of black unrest to black communities during this week’s riot are all features of a city and a country that still segregate people along racial lines, to the financial enrichment of landlords, corner store merchants and other vendors selling second-rate goods.

The problem originates in a political culture that has long bound black bodies to questions of property. Yes, I’m referring to slavery.

Slavery was not so much a labor system as it was a property regime, with slaves serving not just as workers, but as commodities. Back in the day, people routinely borrowed against other human beings. They took out mortgages on them. As a commodity, the slave had a value that the state was bound to protect.

Now housing and commercial real estate have come to occupy the heart of America’s property regime, replacing slavery. And damage to real estate, far more than damage to ostensibly free black people, tends to evoke swift responses from the state. What we do not prosecute nearly well enough, however, is the daily assault on black people’s lives through the slow, willful destruction of real estate within black communities. The conditions in West Baltimore today are the direct consequence of speculative real estate practices that have long targeted people with few to no options.
On the heels of any ghetto economy based on extraction comes the excessive policing necessary to keep everyone in place. Cities that are starved for income have found ways to raise revenues by way of fines and fees exacted from poor, underemployed African-Americans and migrants of color. These include property taxes and court costs. In Maryland, in particular, these come in lieu of property taxes that many of the state’s largest employers are not required to pay. The dangers of tax burdens and other unseen costs are as deadly to urban households as police brutality or fires set by “thugs.”

In “The Wire,” Lester Freamon understood that following the money took our eyes off the street and up the chain of real political power. We have a right to expect that our administrators will use the bully pulpit to speak about the policies, systems and structures over which they preside.

By avoiding the language of individual failings and degenerate culture, political leaders, black and otherwise, can help us all see the daily violence of poverty. More, they can better use the power they have to do something about it. By calling a nationwide “state of emergency” on the problem of residential segregation, by devising a fairer tax structure, by investing in public space, community policing, tenants’ rights and a government jobs program, our leaders can find a way forward.

N. D. B. Connolly is an assistant professor of history at Johns Hopkins University and the author of “A World More Concrete: Real Estate and the Remaking of Jim Crow South Florida.”
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KHH1,

True, it is not a black culture problem per se, it is a LIBERAL culture problem, which affects the black population mostly because they are the target group politically.

The problem will not be solved by the Federal government's actions unless you consider the "cessation of actions" by the government as an "action" by the government. They need to stop the policies that are causing/creating/fostering this class of "victims" for political purposes.

This "culture" problem can be solved by individuals who want it solved. An example is the Mama who took it upon herself to try to save her son from committing illegal acts that night in Baltimore. I admire the woman. There are many blacks like that woman, they are the salvation of this country, not more centrally controlled government dependency programs.

You may notice that there is a common thread running through the last three national "incidents". Live a life of crime/violence, disrespect for the law; it will eventually catch up with you and it will not end well. I think the legal action of arresting the six officers was the right thing to do as now the facts will come out with witnesses under oath in a public trial and the guilty will most likely be punished by their peers if warranted. That is what all us should want, punished if guilty regardless of the color involved.

Maybe some of us can now see that it is at least as much about behavior (call it culture if you must) as it is about color? At least we have a better chance of curing the problem if we recognize the problem for what it is.

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