2bltap wrote:
I sincerely hope that the remaning PATRIOT military leaders will refuse to fire on Russia preemptivly. I need to be careful here with what Im about to say. I am SO PRO USA and MILITARY ITS NOT FUNNY. Im a Retired GySgt of Marines and love it to death. Howerer, I hope that there is some kind of serious dialog going between soon to be President Trump and the Military Leadership and our counterparts over in Europe so as to prevent obama from starting a war that is totaly unecessary at this point in time in our history. obama is really trying to start something so he can take total control of our news/propiganda and to try and instill marshal law here at home. This would prevent Trump from assuminf the mantle of leadership in a couple of weeks. My God, if our elected officials dont realize what obama is trying to accomplish we are so fucked!!!! They need to stop obama in his tracks right now. At this point I really dont care how they do it. Just stop this narcissist and anti American in THE PEOPLES HOUSE and his entire administration from commiting us to a war with Russia or anyone else for that matter. President Trump should be able to take the mantle of leadership immediately and I just know he is so ready to stop the madness thats going on right now in obamas brain pan. If we are actually at the precipise of war there better be a good damn reason for it. Not obamas ego for sure.
Semper Fi
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I don't think Putin will take the bait.
bmac32 wrote:
I have a feeling Nancy still hasn't read the bill she was a big backer of. Democrats most have certainly broke healthcare and their fix only made it worse. With her and with ole Chuck Schumer they would lift a finger to help fix it.
That POS legislation was SHOVED down our throats!
We DON'T want it!
We don't want ANYTHING the ILLEGAL POS POTUS put in place!
Larry the Legend wrote:
"Why? Because this is where a majority of shootings have taken place." Yes! Yes! Yes! Let's see how many of these 'mass shootings' happen when there's armed protectors in every school, military base and night club. They're not 'gun free zones', they're target rich environments!
"If you think about it, a gun free zone is a perfect place to take a gun if you intend to cause harm. No law-abiding citizen is going to have a gun, so you can cause the most damage."
http://www.angrypatriotmovement.com/trump-gun-control/"While military bases should be safe zones for our military, they often times aren’t. Soldiers are left defenseless, sitting ducks on their own home base before being taken out by someone with a gun. And he or she cannot be stopped until the police arrive." Yep. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.
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Gun free zones shold be ILLEGAL! !
They deny you the right to life and liberty!
[quote=jack sequim wa]PROVE ME WRONG LEFTIST / LIBERAL! !!!!
Your the kind of putz that will go and hide upon empirical evidence, right?Who knows better what the Second Amendment means than the Founding Fathers? Here are some powerful gun quotations from the Founding Fathers themselves.
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803
Do I need to give more quotes? I can no problem, proving your failed efforts of continously searching the Web, for anything to prove your false narratives.[/quote]
Thanks for taking the time to post what my lazy butt didn't!
Loki wrote:
"To keep and bear arms" by any individual, though not a given by the 2nd Amendment,
Thank you. Reading your posts on this subject has enlightened me. Up until now, I only THOUGHT I understood the concept of "invincible ignorance."
You have managed to completely ignore the post I made on this thread containing comments of the men who WROTE the Second Amendment. There is absolutely NO DOUBT that it was intended as an individual right. You, like most Liberal hoplophobe Hobbit Dancers, have convinced yourselves that "the people" of the Second Amendment are somehow different from "the people" of all the others.
As a matter of fact, the Second Amendment, when it was written, fell under the purview of states' business. The Founders realized that different states have different needs. A gun control law that makes sense for New York would likely be ridiculous in Iowa.
As far as your disclaimer of individual right, I suppose you never heard of DC v Heller, in which the SCOTUS ruled that the Second acknowledges an INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms. You have an amazing ability to completely ignore any facts that don't fit your parochial little viewpoint.
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Right, the 2nd does not GIVE us the right. We ALREADY HAVE IT!
The 2nd PROTECTS the right we ALREADY HAVE!
Dr.Dross wrote:
Infringe: actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): "making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright" synonyms: contravene, violate, transgress, break, breach
verb (used with object), infringed, infringing.
1.
to commit a breach or infraction of; violate or transgress:
to infringe a copyright; to infringe a rule.
verb (used without object), infringed, infringing.
2.
to encroach or trespass (usually followed by on or upon):
Don't infringe on his privacy.
transitive verb
1 : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
We looked at the 1st Amendment, the foundational principle of our Republic, and saw where it had to be limited--abridged--for the true spirit of that right to shine. Same is true of the 2nd Amendment. Not to infringe but to clarify its use. Infringe does not translate to unrestricted. Quite the opposite. "Well regulated" is not a term to ignore. If ignored is the only way that makes all other arguments of restricted or unrestricted individual ownership possible. A Fable. Or just a sincere delusion. Just blind!
"To keep and bear arms" by any individual, though not a given by the 2nd Amendment, is not infringed upon by gun-control measures presently on the books. A person still gets to keep their guns. Registering your guns and awaiting a background check does not infringe on the right to keep and bear arms by the individual citizen, which is not a right. Reasonable controls do not infringe on the imaginary individual right to keep and bear arms. Such controls merely speak to the spirit of what is just and fair and for the common good. An unrestricted 2nd Amendment violates the Constitution and is a menace to its citizens.
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You sound like an educated, ignorant left loon.
You need to refer to the writings of the Founding Fathers and then you should have a clear understanding of their intent of the 2nd!