You have no idea what anything means.

I am an American, I swore the oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Like all true Americans, I fully support Israel for its right to defend itself against all the Islamic subhuman cockroaches trying to destroy their country. If I were over there, I'd join them. But, I am here and if need be I will do my duty to defend my country against all enemies, including assholes like you and your lunatic conspirators.

This is our first exchange, so thank you for your comments and for clearly stating your views. I have not considered you in any form as I have only this exchange with you. And I do not label people from first meetings.

I am not a fan of MSM, FOX, or CNN. I find that they present very biased views. Yes, I will get their view and then start reading everything available before I come to any conclusion.

Now to address some of your comments.

1. The US government has pulled some very complicated cover ups. And they have done more than one horrible thing. For example, are you aware that Obama is taking, without permission, a portion of Native American reservation in AZ to house some of his imported Muslims from Syria?

2. I was not on any one of the four airplanes that caused so much pain for so many people on 911. However, I do not doubt that hijackers did take over the airplanes (simply because there are voice recordings of them) and fly three of them into their targets and one going down in PA. There are also photos of the planes hitting the Twins. And I worked at 5600 Columbia Pike in Falls Church. I saw the Pentagon plane. So, from first hand I know that one hit and exploded. I will spare you the details.

3. Evidence does not support the downing of the Twin Towers by bombs. If there were bombs, the terrorist (and I use the term for whomever you think may have planted the bombs) would have to have planted them in full view of the people working in the buildings.... surely someone would have raised the alarm if they saw C4 or a bomb device with a ticking clock. We as member of the world population watch too many movies not to be concerned with seeing something like that.

4. The Oklahoma City bombing and Timothy McVeigh... he did not act alone. Also charged were Michael Fortier and Terry Nichols. During the trails, it came to light that members of the Neo Nazi party also provided support, but none were officially charged. And you question, how could a Ryder truck loaded with homemade bombs do all that damage. I know that a pipe bomb, a homemade job that is less than 12 inches long can blow up a HumV.... So, a truck load... quite an impressive bomb I would think.

5. I will not at this time address the other concerns, as I do not have sufficient knowledge to discuss them. I know what I think I know, but the truth may be otherwise. So Sandy Hook, JFK, Charleston.... I will not address at this time.

With this being our first exchange, I will overlook you calling me a "fool" and implying that I need to wise up. I think that approach may be defeating your effort to open civil exchange with me, and it also may inhibit others from calm rational discussions.

So you fell for it too, huh?

"4 flying beer cans"? You mean those 160 ton jetliners loaded with 15,000 pounds of jet fuel and flying at 400+ mph should have just bounced off those buildings?

Do you really believe that some government conspiracy cooked up the Sandy Hook massacre, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Charleston church shooting? And now the San Bernardino killings? Do you?

Here's a clue for you: If you really want to find credibility for any serious event, stay the hell away from ALL MSM cable news, leftist websites and blogs, far right websites and blogs, and be especially careful about what you watch on youtube. Anyone can upload whatever rings their bell.

Maybe spend some time researching Islam. Learn what makes the Jihadists tick.

Okay... let me see if I can help. We have on OPP six consistent conspiracy theory believers: payne1000, eagleeye and bdamage you may recognize from this thread. The others, well they are taking the day off or they are the other personas of the three listed.

What I recommend, is you go to their links read what is printed and then do some research. Look at everything from both sides... keep your mind in natural so you do not just jump to a conclusion. Watch all the videos, read each word and see if there are is any consistency in all the reports. Be sure to examine who is reporting. Do a search to read past reports, this way you can determine which way the reporter leans. Next find out about the newspaper itself, which way does it lean. Once you know this, you can pretty much guess what line they will take. A republican news will just tell you the facts with a middle to slight right view... that is conservative. They will be for the constitution and Christian values. The Left, or Liberal will skirt around religion unless they are dealing with mass murder, as in this case where they first announced that this was another abortion clinic shooting done by another Christian anti-abortion "nut." They will use every last space available to support gun control and Obama.

Got it? Now for name calling... that is just OPP. People get frustrated when arguments happen and some will just say what they are thinking and with little consideration that they are responding to other PEOPLE and not just words on a screen. Yes, I also get to this point that I just want to smack someone up the side of the head... when this happens, I try not to respond. I turn off my computer and do some house work. Name calling is immature and should not happen, but after almost 3 years on OPP... I have come to expect it.

Now... who is on what side... this is my personal belief...
Blade Runner is always consistent with facts. Regardless on which side it proves, to him right is right and party lines are immaterial.

JMHO, this is another fine individual who has a knack of knowing and sorting out the BS from facts.

Payne1000 and eagleeye, well they believe that regardless of information, they are right and somehow everything is a Jewish conspiracy.

bdamage, well he is reasonable and has the ability to see both sides, but once he is confident, he is tenacious and no amount of information will sway his view.

Oh... I almost forgot myself. Well... I am a Jew... so naturally I am the target of the conspiracy theorist in general. I consider myself a conservative. I leave it to you to make up your mind if I am a name caller or a researcher.


I hope this helps.

Really dude, it isn't difficult to see what happened if you stay fully informed and are not totally hammered by the extreme paranoia of conspiratorial delusions.

As the terrorist fled down the street, Tashfeen was firing at the armored vehicle tracking behind them. Another armored vehicle approached from their front and blocked them. When their SUV was stopped is when the police really opened up on them.

Not surprising that you really seem to have difficulty with English word meanings. Alleged refers to something or someone suspected of a thing, but there is no proof. There is nothing "alleged" about two live terrorists, who have just killed 14 and wounded 17 real people, and are now fleeing in a moving vehicle firing real bullets at pursing police.