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Jun 20, 2019 07:34:27   #
4430 wrote:
It's folks like you that apparently clueless or refuse to acknowledge pushing transgenderism onto children.

This info is clearly out in the open for anyone to see and for those that chose to say it isn't happening is disgusting to say the least !

These poor little kids have no idea as to what is going on nor do they know the evil that is being pushed on them !

So Morgan go ahead and keep looking the other way so you can claim it isn't going on in order to make yourself feel good about telling everyone it isn't so !

O and I can provide a whole lot more info if you can understand these two links !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4a-rTJn-k

https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14b/GLSEN-Conference-040514/transgender-agenda/index.html
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You want to believe what you want but the schools are very tight with the parents and the community in what they want to see happen, not the government, wake up, and stop the blame propaganda BS. It's so easy to be lazy and simply blame and point fingers.
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Jun 20, 2019 07:28:27   #
JoyV wrote:
I am surprised you would say people confuse socialism with its chains to dictatorship. Yes I, and I'm sure most conservatives see socialism's chains to dictatorship. But I didn't expect you to admit it.


Why wouldn't I admit that? That's how it's been, under dictatorships, they want the control of the money.
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Jun 20, 2019 07:11:19   #
JoyV wrote:
But it is not JUST an economic system. Capitalism is just an economic system. Our country is a Republic, not a Capitalist. But our economy is capitalist. What does having your government dictating nearly every aspect of your life to do with economy. Under the NAZIs and the USSR, you couldn't marry outside of the imposed restrictions. You couldn't teach, write, sing, act, or speak about ideas not approved. If you were disabled or considered mentally deficient, the state dictated you be sterilized or worse. These are NOT part of an economic system. And yes, a socialist state ALSO controls the economic system.

Germany did not go from a representative form of government to a socialist form overnight. As more and more people became dissatisfied with their lives, they blamed their leaders and scapegoats. More and more turned to various socialist groups. One was Marxist Communism and one was NAZI (before Hitler joined). The country went through transitional stages from representative democracy to socialism. And yes, they voted for socialism before they lost the power to vote under the government they chose.
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You're hard to follow here as you contradict yourself..."But it is not JUST an economic system.

Capitalism is just an economic system. ???What?


Our country is a Republic, not a Capitalist... Right

But our economy is capitalist...right, capitalistic.

What does having your government dictating nearly every aspect of your life to do with economy."

It does if they are controlling all the revenue, done by a dictatorship, rather than yourself(the people) as in a free market.

"Under the NAZIs and the USSR, you couldn't marry outside of the imposed restrictions. You couldn't teach, write, sing, act, or speak about ideas not approved. If you were disabled or considered mentally deficient, the state dictated you be sterilized or worse. These are NOT part of an economic system."

Correct, that is why it is NOT the fault of socialism, it is due to the control of the dictatorship, holding the reins and controlling the horses pulling the economic wagon. Therefore no, a socialist state does NOT control the economic system, It is the government pulling the strings to force this kind total socialism, not a CHOICE by the people...Forced.

Our democratic republic, wrapped in the free market of capitalism, would never go for a totalitarian socialist government, NEVER, nothing to fear there. The ONLY way that would EVER happen is if we lost our democratic Republic and fell into an authoritarian control such as in a dictatorship/oligarch or plutocrat government.

Which is exactly what has happened in Venezuela and Russia. We have seen democratic governments fall to an overthrow of authoritarian rule, it happens first by being voted in.

Now take a look at what has been happening here with the obstruction of justice.
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Jun 20, 2019 06:42:15   #
JoyV wrote:
So if Nationalism is a red flag, what about the allied forces Nationalism? You are trying to link two unrelated isms, because they are sometimes found in the same place and time. If you were to look at children abused by their parents, most would say they love their parents. So is loving your parents a red flag for abuse?


Really, what kind of analogy is that? Really poor and unreasonable. Why do you think abuse is so long term damaging to a person. A parent who loves and abuses, grows a tree from a twisted root and most likely grows a crooked tree. Rare is the person who can grow up healthy from that, not impossible but very special. Those people do have a love-hate relationship and many after the child has grown have discord and for good reason. Not a healthy loving relationship.
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Jun 20, 2019 06:32:17   #
JoyV wrote:
Yes he manipulated German's Nationalism. There is no doubt of that in my mind. But it wasn't Nationalism which led to death camps, conquest of other countries, or violation of treaties and alliances. These are NOT examples of Nationalism. He USED the peoples Nationalism. The actions he committed were not done out of Nationalism.

You write as if Fascism were NOT socialism. It is one type of socialism, no matter how much revisionist history the left has committed. There are several types of socialism. There is Communism which is one extreme form of socialism. At the other extreme is the mild form of socialism--Democracy. There is Democratic Socialists, Social Democrats, National Socialists, and others. Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, translated is, National Socialist German Workers' Party; better known as NAZI. Includes the words "National" and "German", which indicates Nationalism; and "Socialist" and "Workers", which indicates Socialism. If you read Hitler quotes from before and during his reign, he clearly states again and again that he and the party are socialist. Many use the fact that there was enmity between the National Socialists, and the Communists; to indicate the NAZIs were opposed to socialism. Not true. Each type of socialist felt theirs to be the right kind of socialism. I hope I don't offend anyone with this comparison, but think of the antagonism and historical violence between different branches of Christian religion. That they are opposed to each other does not mean one is of a Christian religion and the other is not.

Name when and how Trump pits different American groups against each other.

Did he call half of Americans deplorable? Did he attend a memorial service for cops who died protecting Americans and use the podium to speak of police racism and police brutality? He said, “Police officers use oppressive and abusive” tactics of a “broken and racially biased system” On other occasions he said cops use racial profiling. He said, "You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.... The African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away." This statement not only stoke fear and hatred between blacks and cops, but between blacks and whites. When Michael Brown was shot, he reinforced the medias characterization of an unarmed black man gunned down by cops, despite the video clearly showing Brown in the act of pulling one officer's gun out of the holster in the struggle, and the 2nd officer not waiting to see if he would turn the cop's gun on the 1st officer but instead shooting Michael Brown.

Obama accused pro-lifers as waging a war on women. He said anyone opposed to same sex marriage was a bigot. During the 2008 campaign, he called anyone who supported Hillary a racist. Later he called anyone in favor of immigration enforcement racists. He said Republicans are the enemy of Hispanics. Here is a quote from a speech where he denigrated midwesterners. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter,they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

When the Antifa and BAMN thugs "protested" by setting fire to private property, smashing windows, and assaulting people, Obama said there actions heartened him.

But I don't want to pick on Obama as holding the bag on divisiveness. So here are some Hillary gems. Clinton said, "We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." She called blacks super-predators. She called Republicans uneducated and characterized Republican women as doormats in so many words. Saying they do whatever their husbands, sons, or fathers tell them to. This was the only reason she would believe that Republican women didn't vote for her. When defending a rapist of a child, she said, "Children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior." She encouraged divisiveness between the right and left by stating that the accusation that her husband had an affair with an aide, a vast right wing conspiracy.

So what has Trump done?
Yes he manipulated German's Nationalism. There is... (show quote)


your quote: If you read Hitler quotes from before and during his reign, he clearly states again and again that he and the party are socialist. Many use the fact that there was enmity between the National Socialists, and the Communists; to indicate the NAZIs were opposed to socialism. Not true. Each type of socialist felt theirs to be the right kind of socialism. I hope I don't offend anyone with this comparison, but think of the antagonism and historical violence between different branches of Christian religion. That they are opposed to each other does not mean one is of a Christian religion and the other is not.

In your comment here what you're not aware of is the change Hitler went through from the beginning of his reign to the end. Yes, he went onto the nationalist socialist party platform to get elected, ee resurrected a dying party. look up the history. He then went along with Mussolini joining the Fascist movement against socialism and democracy. This is when Nazi's were against socialism, under hitlers rule. So yes they were later opposed to fascism.

At this time yes there are different forms of socialism, with different levels of usage as with nationalists, from reasonable to the extreme. Which is why people should not throw out these words lackadaisically in efforts to offend.
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Jun 19, 2019 21:05:38   #
The Critical Critic wrote:
I noticed, because I asked for a link to the claim myself.... heard the same crickets.


Sorry guys my life doesn't revolve around Opp. This for the boy scouts,

“Who the hell wants to speak about politics when I’m in front of the Boy Scouts?” President Trump asked the 40,000 people gathered in Glen Jean, West Virginia, on Monday for the Boy Scout Jamboree.

He is the president and talking to boys, he, at the very least should be setting a great example.

http://youtu.be/dTh-1hto9wU Trump drops the F bomb
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Jun 19, 2019 20:44:40   #
Seth wrote:
Sorta' like, "we don't care if the Obama Administration was politically corrupt, about Benghazi or Fast & Furious or Uranium One as long as those miserable traitors did what we wanted."

Add to that your political icons pushing LGBTQ agendas and transgenderism on those same school children, Morgan, or at least the ones your kind haven't murdered in the womb to begin with, and I'd say your "arguments" appear somewhat thin. 😎


The Benghazi, fast and furious, Uranium, please give it a rest, all bogus BS fed to you. Just like pushing transgender onto children.

More delusions, if they're my kind they're your kind too. Seth your arguments... ah forget it, why bother.
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Jun 19, 2019 20:31:18   #
byronglimish wrote:
You make a great point about the left..."being two faced is perfectly ok"

I prefer someone who doesn't try to hide the real.

You want a professional actor to perform one way in private and as long as they clean it up for TV..."good to go"..

Obama or Hillary fit that progressive mold.

I prefer someone who isn't into professional public performance, or more clearly a professional politician.


This is where you are completely deluded. A con is a con, whether a real estate mogul with numerous cases of fraud or a corrupt politician. Both sides of the same coin. With that said there are decent real estate marketers and politicians.

Isn't a professional, what do you call a professional? I believe it is being paid for a service and wasn't Trump paid for the series, The Apprentice, isn't that a professional public performance? "A performer, yep that's Trump. What do you guys think about I really wonder?
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Jun 19, 2019 20:25:14   #
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
So what was so offensive that President Trump said? Refresh my memory. This is what YOU said....

"Neither Clinton ever spoke with such foul mouths, this guys has gone has low to use the F word while speaking",
So when did President Trump use the "F" word in public? That one must have slipped right by me.


You can Just go to youtube and watch his speeches under foul language and take a listen.
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Jun 19, 2019 19:55:14   #
The Critical Critic wrote:
Ok. I almost deleted the word, rush, but chose to stay with it because it was, in part, having to do with our very first interaction, and since then I noticed you taking part in most topics with the word socialism in the title. I also noticed that you didn’t object to my use of the word, defend...

You seem to have this almost romanticized view of socialism, like if socialism was done “correctly”, it would be rainbows, unicorns, and ice cream for everybody. Your claim is that socialism is just misunderstood by some, however, if it was fully understood, it would be recognized universally, as the disease that it is, responsible for the deaths of tens, if not hundreds of millions of people.

I’m on the flip side of the coin, and will happily, and eagerly, denounce socialism any and every opportunity I get. (But you know this about me already, lol.)

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, Morgan.
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I don't defend or support Socialism in its totalitarianism form in a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state. And anyone who believes the left believes in that is completely out of touch with reality. People throw this word around in complete ignorance of what it truly means and this goes to anyone who accuses the left as such. Which includes people who like Sanders and AOC who claim to be Democratic socialist, which I believe may be a mistake as it seems to be inaccurately interpreted.

What I endeavor to do is have people simply understand where the power is coming from and how it is used. The propaganda from the right is selling to their party that the left is the enemy because they "are socialist", that is the farthest thing from the truth, not to mention very offensive, especially when we consider how most all Americans view Socialism since WWII.

While the left may not like Trump I have not heard them disparage all people on the right as the enemy of the state, as our own president has done to the people on the left. What president would do that to its own citizens?

Every hard working person in America tries to get ahead, that is not socialism, that is free market Capitalism. Capitalism is not a form of Government, neither is Socialism. They are constructed within a governmental system. This is something JoyV cannot seem to comprehend.

Where you get that I romanticize socialism leaves me wondering why? I am completely for what we have, a free market with some social programs and amenities as our public school, emergency service, the fire dept, Dept of health, DOT and of course the military and police to name a few.

Here's one way to think of it, in a horse and wagon, it is the horse that pulls the wagon, the government being the horse, pulling the wagon ~their chosen economic system, now the big question is... who's driving the horses? Who has the reins in their hands, who's steering them? It's different for every country.
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Jun 19, 2019 17:43:04   #
mosteen12 wrote:
Since leftist are communist, traitor is a fitting word. So, it will be Patriots vs Traitors!!


Ok, us being the Patriots.
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Jun 19, 2019 12:39:36   #
JoyV wrote:
I watched Obama respond to a reporters question on what he felt or thought (can't remember which word was used) about the BAMN protest which had just taken place the day before. Obama said, "It heartens me."

I provided a list which was far from complete. I am asking you to do the same. If the total list is far too long, surely you can provide as many as I have. Or how about at least 3?


No, I'm not going there with you, on some kind of useless tit for tat, and your recollection is a poor validation. Let's just stick with the topic.
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Jun 19, 2019 12:13:52   #
The Critical Critic wrote:
Morgan, I’m just curious, why do you rush to defend attacks against socialism?


I don't rush, but for most... socialism is misunderstood and being confused with its chains to a dictatorship, and now people fear it, Socialism is not to be fear, the tyrannical rule is, this needs clarification for most, that's all.
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Jun 19, 2019 12:10:56   #
JoyV wrote:
Socialism can be an economic system as well as political system. But is not first and foremost an economic system. The most critical defining characteristic has to do with property. Is the property privately own and controlled, publicly owned and controlled by the government (communism), or somewhere in between (socialism). For example, in NAZI Germany, property which had been privately owned and controlled before the NAZIs, were often still left in the hands of the former owners (unless they were of one of the undesirables of the state) but controlled by the government. The former owners were more like managers as it could be taken away at any time and given to another with no compensation. This included ALL types of property! It included the home you lived in, any land you used for crops or pasture, livestock, industry and business, even musical compositions and works of art as well as the tools you use to make them. It even included ideas if they were acted upon. If they could have, they would have controlled your thoughts, but they settled for shaping your thoughts. This is far more than economics!

Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Under the NAZIs, definition 1 and 2 were totally in compliance with the definitions. Definition 3 would have to eliminate the words "Marxist" and "transition" to be in compliance with that definition. In other words, 'A stage in society between capitalism and communism.'
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Quote: This is far more than economics!

Yes, a Dictatorship is far more than economics. It strips the spirit of its people under its suppression.
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Jun 19, 2019 12:06:22   #
JoyV wrote:
Socialism can be an economic system as well as political system. But is not first and foremost an economic system. The most critical defining characteristic has to do with property. Is the property privately own and controlled, publicly owned and controlled by the government (communism), or somewhere in between (socialism). For example, in NAZI Germany, property which had been privately owned and controlled before the NAZIs, were often still left in the hands of the former owners (unless they were of one of the undesirables of the state) but controlled by the government. The former owners were more like managers as it could be taken away at any time and given to another with no compensation. This included ALL types of property! It included the home you lived in, any land you used for crops or pasture, livestock, industry and business, even musical compositions and works of art as well as the tools you use to make them. It even included ideas if they were acted upon. If they could have, they would have controlled your thoughts, but they settled for shaping your thoughts. This is far more than economics!

Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Under the NAZIs, definition 1 and 2 were totally in compliance with the definitions. Definition 3 would have to eliminate the words "Marxist" and "transition" to be in compliance with that definition. In other words, 'A stage in society between capitalism and communism.'
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Again if you say it is between Capitalism and Communism, both are economic structures... not governing, so yes, it can be said it may fall be in between, I wouldn't but someone can. A stage in a society does not speak of their governing but rather their economy, their economic structure. I hope you understand.
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