Posts for: Morgan
Jun 21, 2019 16:11:34 #
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The Critical Critic wrote:
Sorry, I don’t see any difference, except in the latter waiting it’s chance. Socialism in this country will never be accepted by force, but if it’s introduced incrementally, the citizens will never see it coming, and wonder how it happened.
The same with fascism, or a dictatorship, if he were to get more support and loyalty to him for party control, which is what we're seeing now, with the known assumption the Senate would never impeach someone from their own party, party before country.
There's a huge difference between the two, one embarrasses capitalism the other rejects it.
Now, you wore me out, LOL
Jun 21, 2019 16:01:15 #
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The Critical Critic wrote:
The first. Asking you if could name a country where socialism has been successful with a population of more than 10 million...
During the Meiji period,the population of Japan at the time of the Meiji Restoration was estimated to be 34,985,000 on January 1, 1873. An interesting read on how this emperor brought up his country out of the depths of poverty.
Jun 21, 2019 15:50:16 #
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The Critical Critic wrote:
4.)I’d wish you luck with your endeavor, but, that would be disingenuous of me. I think the “propaganda” from the right is mostly aimed at the progressive caucus of the Democratic Party and it’s completely justified if you pay attention to their rhetoric, namely AOC, Talib, Sanders, even most democrats campaigning for 2020.
They don't speak for all of the Democratic party, but as I showed in my last reply you can see the differences in socialists beliefs.
5.)Have you ever considered how offensive it is to the millions of those who lost their family members in that war fighting the spread of socialism to see that today 51% of people aged between 18 and 34 favoring socialism in this country? Talk about a kick in the teeth!
Again, that is a kick in the teeth to those who do not understand what is actually being said, I think some direct questions need to be asked for clarification.
In the same respect of the word as defined in the past within that old assumption of socialism, don't you think the same offense is taken by people fighting for this country and being called socialist or communists simply due to them being democratic, why don't you see that?
6.)My most recent recollection would be Obama. Remember what he said about those that “cling to their guns and bibles”?
Generalizations are always bad, but as we both know there is some truth to it, it's just usually a small minority.
7.)Damn right! Socialism doesn’t allow for people to get ahead, it only allows for everyone to be equal in their misery.
Again, no one here wants a form of totaltarianism"socialism". That is complete propaganda leading people by their own ignorance of their fellow citizens.
8.)True. And how many countries/governments have collapsed utilizing capitalism compared to those utilizing socialism? I think JoyV has full comprehension of the subject. That's because you are still misunderstanding it as much as she is, no offense. Once again, Socialism is not to be feared, an authoritarian government is.
9.Why? Because of your words. Maybe romanticize isn’t the right word, but you ultimately fail to see the slippery slope of socialism. And I’m so tired of that meme about emergency services, police, fire, public schools etc; none of those are the production or means provided solely by government, they’re local issues. And as far as the military, no matter the form of government or economic system, most of not all countries have a military, it has nothing to do with this discussion.
What you fail to see is the slippery slope of a country being overthrown, readjusting your eye off the ball, as they are doing now pinning the right against the left with their false accusations. Some of the idiots on the left are not helping as Bernie and AOC, they are also feeding the misinformation. All in all, this is the most damaging issue to us as a country.
We are being used and manipulated, see it for what it is and who it is coming from.
Here's one way to think of it, in a horse and wagon, it is the horse that pulls the wagon, the government being the horse, pulling the wagon ~their chosen economic system, now the big question is... who's driving the horses? Who has the reins in their hands, who's steering them?
10.)In this country, the taxpayers, without them, government couldn’t afford either the wagon or the horse...
No, the taxpayers, unfortunately, they don't hold the reins, we've given that power to our representatives, and is why when they get corrupted and controlled by plutocrats and oligarchs we suffer. Taxpayers are more like the wheels to the wagon, we don't move without them.
11.)True.... just look at Venezuela.
True... voted in and then overthrown by a dictator. I rest my case.
Jun 21, 2019 15:06:21 #
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The Critical Critic wrote:
Why? Easy, just look at how you ended your comment above. I don’t think we could ever come to an agreement as to how we fix what we think is broken. Heck, you may consider something broken that I don’t, and vice versa.
A nice gesture, but thanks anyway.
A nice gesture, but thanks anyway.
What question? I'm only going through them one by one now, which did I not answer yet?
Jun 21, 2019 15:02:05 #
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The Critical Critic wrote:
True.... just look at Venezuela.
3.)It’s not inaccurately interpreted, but it is a mistake on their part. Sanders for example, tried socialist healthcare in his own state, result? Epic failure. Because that’s what socialism in all it’s forms throughout history has proven to be. Ever wonder why the combined genius of the Framers didn’t conclude that socialism would be the way for our country? Because they had two thousand years of government history from which to draw, and socialism had been a huge failure. Our Framers wanted a form of government that could be sustained and prosper under population growth no matter how large the number, socialism could never do that.
~A socialistic philosophic idea didn't really arrive until around 1789 with the French Revolution, though some ideas might have begun to emerge a little earlier, not enough in the mainstream for our founders to consider realistically. Probably due to the fact the people would not support the idea, we are a country that embraces the free market,and always will, unless our government changes by force.
There is a difference between Democratic socialism and social democracy. Social democracy is where democratic socialists are committed to systemic transformation of the economy from capitalism to socialism using governmental means, which is what is feared here, whereas social democrats are opposed to ultimately ending capitalism, and are instead supportive of working within it.
Jun 21, 2019 14:16:51 #
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The Critical Critic wrote:
True.... just look at Venezuela.
This type of reply, is very hard to reply to. I'll have to do it with amendments
1.) But totalitarianism has been historically the end result wherever socialism has been tried, it’s the natural course. Unless you can name a country with a population of more than say, 10 million, where it has been successful, and didn’t lead to totalitarianism? I don’t believe you could.
This is where you have it backward's, allow me to explain, socialism becomes the end result forced by an authoritarian government, who establishes this type of economic control on its people in order to keep control. It is a natural course under a controlling dictatorship or other supreme authority.
2.)I believe the alt-left, believes in having the government take care of them from cradle to grave.
That is your opinion and welcome to it, I don't happen to agree. Where there is always a minority who try to exploit the system to benefit themselves. The alt-left, as you say, tries to endeavor to help starving, suppressed, handicapped people for all good intentions and not in contrary to the belief from the right's mantra to keep people enslaved. Instead of accusations, why don't we work together to fix the system where it is broken.
Jun 21, 2019 13:51:52 #
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JoyV wrote:
I was wrong. It wasn't half of Americans but half... (show quote)
I wasn't wrong, you must not have had the identical quote.
my quote.
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” end quote
Your correction: "you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.
As you can see I wasn't wrong at all. I posted what was necessary to prove my point of what she said. On Trump I was also not wrong, here is his quote from that day
"A vote for any Democrat in 2020 is a vote for the rise of radical socialism and the destruction of the American dream,” he said. Trump made only passing mention of any of the Democrats running to replace him even as he tossed out “radical” and “unhinged” to describe the rival party.
This rant he has done many times already with slight variations when speaking to his audience, it this one he curbed slightly with the word dream,". That's down right inspitational from our president don't you think? I'm sure advised by his strategist as per his repercussions from passed speeches I'm sure.
Try stop being so anal on all these quotes it's ridiculous and petty. You can go to the editorial if you like who quoted him.https://www.apnews.com/947182a691e6498ca4488e9fc8f9e4b5
Jun 21, 2019 13:48:05 #
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Carol Kelly wrote:
The rally was about much, much more than that. You weren’t paying attention.
I wasn't a Hillary fan but how she was being addressed by the right, who can blame her, and what she said was mild in comparison to Trump.
Jun 21, 2019 13:45:02 #
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Carol Kelly wrote:
You don’t think Bernie would establish a dictatorship?
No, not at all.
Jun 20, 2019 17:26:25 #
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JoyV wrote:
You wrote, "I don't defend or support Sociali... (show quote)
I do recall and she didn't say conservatives or Republican, not even the right, here is what she said
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” end quote
This is what Trumps most recent comment was:
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump jabbed at the press and poked the political establishment he ran against in 2016 as he kicked off his reelection campaign with a grievance-filled rally focused more on settling scores than laying out his agenda for a possible second term.
Addressing a crowd of thousands at Orlando’s Amway Center on Tuesday night, Trump complained he was “under assault from the very first day” of his presidency by a “fake news media” and an “illegal witch hunt” that had tried to keep him and his supporters down.
He painted a disturbing picture of what life would look like if he loses in 2020, accusing his critics of “un-American conduct” and saying Democrats “want to destroy you and they want to destroy our country as we know it.” he's said other similar comments, as in, " Democrats are the destruction of our country"
Very nice to other Americans and yes Patriots, not socialists, communists, Marxist, etc, I believe you get the picture.
Jun 20, 2019 16:54:26 #
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Smedley_buzkill wrote:
This was not exactly public. It was addressed to a group of real estate investors, and was not meant for public consumption. Just like the locker room comments in what was supposed to have been a private conversation that was secretly recorded.
Liberals will jump on anything. Supposedly private conversation becomes a public rant when it was never intended to be heard publicly. Eight years ago no less while a private citizen. Is that the best you can do?
Liberals will jump on anything. Supposedly private conversation becomes a public rant when it was never intended to be heard publicly. Eight years ago no less while a private citizen. Is that the best you can do?
Ok I'll give you that, but it still goes to the stature of the man, maybe for him, it was just another locker room chat, I wonder how many women were there?
Jun 20, 2019 16:38:05 #
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byronglimish wrote:
Are you saying that you're feverishly working on going blind?
I was expecting that from one of you, not surprised it's you.
Jun 20, 2019 16:35:33 #
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Jakebrake wrote:
What's the big deal about the F bomb anyway? It's probably the most used profane word in our language, and becoming more socially accepted by the day. The only people who can criticize Trump for saying fuck, are people who have never uttered the word in their lives~
This is why the right aligns with him so well, their bars are so low ... for the communities, for society and so on.
Jun 20, 2019 07:44:01 #
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4430 wrote:
Well Jimmy Carter a married man said he lusted after the girls on Playboy !!!
Is using the F word worse or as bad as Lusting ? Just Saying
Is using the F word worse or as bad as Lusting ? Just Saying
At least he's honest, what healthy heterosexual boy above the age of ten to death, hasn't, get real.
Yeah and you go blind if you masturbate. LOL We'd have an entire population of blind people. 
So yes, it is worse for the president to publicly use the F word when speaking, jeees
Jun 20, 2019 07:37:45 #
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Smedley_buzkill wrote:
In case you didn't notice, I just realized the date on this terrible speech was April of 2011, it was made to a small group of real estate investors.
And you somehow think the old man has changed or is now different? The only thing he's changed was his party, easier to manipulate. he told you guys exactly what you wanted to hear, you own words being bounced back to ya.