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Apr 21, 2014 20:15:44   #
Ya hit that nail on the head!!!!


Trooper745 wrote:
99% of the people who vote democrat could not, if their life depended on it, tell you who you are talking about. Even worse, if you told them who those facts are about, they would doubt it. The really sad part is that they will not get any smarter before the next presidential election.


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Apr 21, 2014 20:02:17   #
Skyhook wrote:
http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2013/03/06/a-tale-of-two-cities-chicago-vs-houston/


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Apr 21, 2014 17:40:58   #
Pickaninny. Haven't heard that since the mid 50's. Thanks for the walk down memory laine.


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Again you have submitted an inference that serves only to illuminate your ineptitude. Keep trying though moon cricket. Some day you may actually experience maturity and gain a perspective that may cause us to consider you as more than just a preposterous little pickaninny.

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Apr 20, 2014 13:35:17   #
Maybe they are simply under religious/political control since those two things
are inseparable in that entire region. Their CEO's aka kings,princes and religious heads have absolutely no control nor influence on them. Ya, right.


Nickolai wrote:
An independant publication free from corpoate control


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Apr 19, 2014 23:50:34   #
I made a mistake on that one Nickolai. The opinion linking the two was by
Al Jazeera as a lead in to their publications article penned by Rosenberg
found here.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/american-south-as-self-other-201311385238814285.html

I stand to be corrected. As you will see Al Jazeera thinks pretty highly of Rosenberg. That in it's self says much to me.
Sorry about the mislead.


Nickolai wrote:
Would you mind revealing the source of theis quote by Paul Rosenberg that the Tea Party are the new slave owners. I find it hard to belive
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Apr 19, 2014 22:53:23   #
Hey
A Kinsman.


emarine wrote:
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Apr 19, 2014 22:52:18   #
He is quoted as saying the Tea Party are the New Slave owners. That speaks volumes of his mind set and just totally wipes out any respect I might have for any of his ideals and clouds the overall flavor of his writings.
Being Independant and leaning somewhat towards being libertarian, somewhat, I do not support the tea party but understand and have no problems with the bulk of their ideals.


Nickolai wrote:
Never the less the content of the article is dead on. Ans is just what I've been saying all along. The past is prolouge to the present
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Apr 19, 2014 22:42:28   #
With his shoes on I'll bet!!



emarine wrote:
Did you type that with your feet?


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Apr 19, 2014 22:15:51   #
Rosenberg is very intelligent far left wing-nut lauded by such groups as
these wonderful people.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/profile/paul-rosenberg.html

They sing from the same sheet of music. Follow the link and read it.











Nickolai wrote:
By Paul Rosenberg
"We are going to do the worst thing we can do to you Americans. We are going to take away your enemy."

- Soviet Spokesperson Georgi Arbatov

A quarter-century after Arbatov threatened us Americans, his point seems extremely well-made. Without the Soviet enemy, the US floundered. We only found our way again after the 9/11 attacks, which gave us license to go after anyone we damn well wanted to - even if, like Saddam Hussein, they might be sworn enemies of those who actually attacked us.

But some folks need enemies a good deal more than others. In the US, we call those folks "conservatives", and their need for enemies has become a defining influence on how everyone thinks about politics. You see, for the past 20 years leading Democrats - most notably presidents Clinton and Obama - have been trying to cozy up to conservatives, taking away their enemy. The results have been nothing short of disastrous - both for Democrats, and for the US.

In 1992, Bill Clinton's emergence and ultimate victory in his run for president was initially hailed by political elites for moving the Democratic Party "to the centre" and "restoring its relevance". Clinton, after all, was a founding member of the "centrist", business-friendly Democratic Leadership Council, explicitly established to move the party rightward. His leadership in passing NAFTA - against the majority of Congressional Democrats - was emblematic of this rightward shift (as well as playing a crucial role in pushing third-party Ross Perot supporters into the hands of the Republicans).

Paul Rosenberg
Paul Rosenberg is the senior editor of Random Lengths News, a bi-weekly alternative community newspaper.

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Why US conservatives have gone crazy

Why Obama's courting of the right may be disastrous - both for Democrats, and for the United States.
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Democratic presidents' moves to the right helped to redefine what conservatism means, says author [GALLO/GETTY]
"We are going to do the worst thing we can do to you Americans. We are going to take away your enemy."

- Soviet Spokesperson Georgi Arbatov

San Pedro, CA - A quarter-century after Arbatov threatened us Americans, his point seems extremely well-made. Without the Soviet enemy, the US floundered. We only found our way again after the 9/11 attacks, which gave us license to go after anyone we damn well wanted to - even if, like Saddam Hussein, they might be sworn enemies of those who actually attacked us.

But some folks need enemies a good deal more than others. In the US, we call those folks "conservatives", and their need for enemies has become a defining influence on how everyone thinks about politics. You see, for the past 20 years leading Democrats - most notably presidents Clinton and Obama - have been trying to cozy up to conservatives, taking away their enemy. The results have been nothing short of disastrous - both for Democrats, and for the US.

In 1992, Bill Clinton's emergence and ultimate victory in his run for president was initially hailed by political elites for moving the Democratic Party "to the centre" and "restoring its relevance". Clinton, after all, was a founding member of the "centrist", business-friendly Democratic Leadership Council, explicitly established to move the party rightward. His leadership in passing NAFTA - against the majority of Congressional Democrats - was emblematic of this rightward shift (as well as playing a crucial role in pushing third-party Ross Perot supporters into the hands of the Republicans).

"For the past 20 years leading Democrats... have been trying to cozy up to conservatives, taking away their enemy. The results have been nothing short of disastrous - both for Democrats, and for America."

How well did this move to "restore" the Democratic Party work out? Two years later, Democrats not only lost control of the House for the first time in 40 years, they lost record numbers of state legislative races as well. In 2008, the Democrats tried it all over again - only to lose even more decisively two years later, leaving the GOP with more state legislative seats than at any time since before 1932.

Because state-level results are routinely ignored by national political elites, it's worth it to briefly focus on them. In the 1980s, Democrats controlled state legislatures by as much as 34-11 (with the remainder split), and 29-6 even as late as 1992. (This, remember, was supposedly the "Age of Reagan", when the Democratic Party was being decimated.) But in the 1994 elections, the Democrats plunged from a still dominant 24-8 position of control to a slight GOP edge, 18-19.

Control of state legislatures remained fairly balanced until the 2006 elections, when Democrats gained a seven-legislature edge, which they upped to 13, before the GOP's 2010 wave shifted things drastically once again, giving the GOP an edge of 11. This history of shifting state-level fortunes strongly supports the conclusion that shifting "to the centre" made Democratic Party substantially less attractive to the electorate as a whole - exactly the opposite of elite conventional wisdom

This conclusion only grows stronger looking at aggregate totals of seats and percentages. In November 1994, the GOP picked up 380 seats in state legislatures and 106 seats in state senates. Democratic majorities were substantially reduced from 58.7 per cent to 51.8 per cent in state assemblies and from 58.6 per cent to 53 per cent in state senates.

The 2010 swing was even more dramatic: the GOP picked up 568 state assembly seats and 139 state senate seats. Democratic majorities were slashed to minority status, from 56 per cent to 45.4 per cent in state assemblies, and 53.4 per cent to 46 per cent in state senates - again, more GOP state legislators than at any time since 1932. For 80 years, the GOP had been the party of Wall Street, Democrats the party of the little guy, and this had worked out well for the Democrats. But two consecutive "centrist" presidents moved the Democrats substantially to the right, particularly on economics, erasing the last 80 years of history and putting conservative Republicans back in charge.

True, many people mistook Barack Obama for a great liberal white knight - no doubt over-interpreting his cautiously limited speech against the Iraq War while running for Illinois State Senate in October 2002. Not to mention, he was black. But the counter-indications were equally clear for those willing to see - not least the speech that put him on the map nationally, the 2004 keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention, where he claimed, "There are no red states, there are no blue states, there are only these United States of America

Obama aimed to minimise or circumvent the culture wars, in order to strike a set of "grand bargains" that would purportedly solve the United States' big problems - a thoroughly centrist, thoroughly technocratic ambition, identified with the broader political philosophy of "neoliberalism", a throw-back to 19th-century, pre-New Deal liberalism which generally adopts a market-based outlook on the world, purportedly benefiting free trade and small businesses, but actually benefiting large-scale oligopolies like health insurance companies, Wall Street banks, large-scale mercenary organisations and other big winners of the Obama era.

Major policy consequences of this technocratic centrism - as opposed to traditional New Deal liberalism - were easily observed:

•Obama's legislative centrepiece, health care reform, was modeled on the conservative Republican Heritage foundation model from 1993/94, later implemented by GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney when he was governor of Massachusetts in 2006;
•Obama supported Bush's no-strings-attached bank bailout (TARP), and extended it without new conditions once in office, effectively throwing away all political leverage to restructure the financial industry in order to fix the source of the financial crisis that caused the Great Recession;
•Obama included roughly 40 per cent of the GOP-favoured tax increases in his stimulus package - which was roughly only half the size that was needed according to economists at the time, even though such tax cuts tend to be less effective as stimulus overall;
•Obama failed to take other macro-economic actions that could have accelerated economic recovery; and
•Obama failed to press for any vigorous action to help distressed homeowners.
Even before his stimulus programme began taking effect, Obama committed himself to the ultimate anti-little guy project of "debt relief", via an unelected "debt commission", the quintessential anti-democratic, technocratic mechanism for the greatest "grand bargain" of them all - the gutting of the welfare state, undoing the defining achievement of the modern Democratic Party.

The objective political conservatism of Clinton and Obama has been masked by numerous factors - not least the intense rightward shift of the United States' political elites over the past 30-40 years, and the attendant marginalisation of left-liberal voices. Also, both men play-act the role of liberals with considerable aplomb, while the term itself has become more associated with social policies, rather than economic ones. Still, it remains the case - supported by two centuries of role-call data in Congress, along with more than half a century of combined public opinion research- that government activism in economic policy is the dominant dimension of American politics, the primary determinant of what counts as liberal and conservative, and both men have shown an unprecedented willingness to abandon traditional Democratic economic policy.

In short, Clinton and Obama were the two most conservative Democratic presidents since the 19th century, who moved the party rightward, just as political elites said they should in order to revive their party, and the result both times was a sharp political shift to the right, devastating the party it was supposed to save and empowering enemies recently on the fringe. The first time around, it might be deemed remarkable - but strange to say, almost no one remarked. Which is partly why it happened again. To a very large extent, this reflected the sharp elite move to the right, a process whose early stages were detailed by Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers in their 1986 book, Right Turn. However, something more happened specifically in reaction to both Clinton and Obama which caused the rightward shift of elite opinion and interests to be reinforced and echoed more robustly across class lines.

This can be seen clearly in the Tea Party reaction. While the Tea Party represents a complicated social phenomenon, with a good deal of elite string-pulling, it can generally be described as a reactionary ideology that ignores two key facts in the economic realm: (1) how nearly a decade of conservative rule under George W Bush has produced record deficits, along with other serious problems; and (2) how both Clinton (before Bush) and Obama (after) tried to accommodate conservative ideas with their neoliberal politics.

"Clinton and Obama's rightward moves gave rise to two main types of conservative reaction. First was an intense explosion of conspiracism...Second was a vast rightward re-definition of what conservatism means."



Objectively, neoliberals moved closer to conservatives, closing the gap between the two parties. But psychologically, the story was dramatically different: the more Clinton or Obama moved toward conservatives, the more trapped, the more claustrophobic conservatives felt. This was a natural expression of conservatives' inherently hostile attitude toward political group differences and the exact opposite of the dominant liberal/pragmatic attitude, which favours compromise over ideological purity. Gallup polling in 2010 and 2011 underscored these fundamental attitudinal differences.

While neoliberals saw their moves to the centre as inherently conflict-reducing, conservatives saw those moves as deeply threatening. After all, if Clinton or Obama were willing to work with them, there had to be something rotten going on. However, there was no obvious reality-based way to articulate this, since Clinton and Obama actually were quite close to conservative thinking in major ways.

Instead, Clinton and Obama's rightward moves gave rise to two types of conservative reaction. First was an intense explosion of conspiracism, which allowed for the interpolation of vast imaginary political space into a highly compressed political spectrum where no such actual space exists. The militia movement under Clinton and the Tea Party under Obama both traffic heavily in this sort of imaginary, often deeply paranoid politics. (Birth certificates, anyone?)

Second was a vast rightward re-definition of what conservatism means, thus creating substantial new space between (neo)-liberals and conservatives. In early 2008, Bush proposed and Congress passed a $200bn stimulus package. True, it was chock-full of relatively ineffective tax cuts, but its justification was the same as that for Obama's larger stimulus package a year later. That's partially why Obama optimistically expected to get about half of the Senate Republicans to support the stimulus bill. Instead, he got three. The conservatives' sudden discovery that the conservative individual health care mandate is unconstitutional is another high-profile example of this characteristic response.

Together, these two reactions serve to fundamentally destabilise and reorient American politics, but they do so based on conservative psychological trauma that is utterly disconnected from objective reality. The fact that the so-called "liberal media" accepts and normalises this - rather than ridicules it - tells you how utterly meaningless the word "liberal" has now become.

Paul Rosenberg is the Senior Editor of Random Lengths News, a bi-weekly alternative community newspaper.
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Apr 19, 2014 21:10:06   #
Man oh man do you two ever optimize the ugliness that is the far left. I am sure you both will reap your just rewards and soon.

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Apr 19, 2014 20:59:25   #
All the bluster is about finished. These radicals will be stepping up their game at an ever quickening rate very soon. I would not doubt a very large distraction unfolding before much longer. I hope not but do not put it past them.


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"I think we may lose the Senate. I think that's a possibility if things continue to go the way they have been... primarily because of health care." - U.S. (D) Rep. Stephen Lynch


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U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch, the lone member of the Bay State delegation to vote against Obama­care four years ago, now predicts the law’s botched roll-out will not only cost Democrats valuable House seats but could even jeopardize their control of the Senate in this year’s hotly contested midterm elections.

“We will lose seats in the House,” the plain-talking South Boston Democrat said in Boston Herald Radio’s studio yesterday, delivering a harsh diagnosis. “I am fairly certain of that based on the poll numbers that are coming out from the more experienced pollsters down there. And I think we may lose the Senate. I think that’s a possibility if things continue to go the way they have been ... primarily because of health care.”

Lynch cuttingly questioned whether many of his colleagues who echoed President Obama’s health care promises even “read through the bill really,” noting that many mechanisms created to fund the law still aren’t in effect.

Among them, Lynch said, is a hefty tax on employers who offer so-called “Cadillac” plans that won’t come into play until 2018.

“There’s all these taxes and fees that are the tough medicine, that up to now they haven’t implemented. I don’t know who’s going to do that,” Lynch said. “Maybe ... they expect the next administration is going to put these penalties in place. I think that’s the time it’s going to hit the fan.”

The Obamacare fallout has already written the script for Republicans in races nationwide, including in two of New England’s most closely watched bouts.

Former state Sen. Richard Tisei has made it a centerpiece of his push to unseat John Tierney in the 6th District, dubbing Obamacare a “disaster.” Scott Brown has delivered similar slams in his Granite State campaign to oust U.S. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, whom he’s panned as the law’s deciding vote.

Tisei seized on Lynch’s remarks, praising Lynch in a statement yesterday for “telling the truth about how destructive Obamacare has been” in Massachusetts.

“If I’m elected to Congress, I look forward to working with Rep. Lynch to fix the mess Obamacare has made of our state-based system, which was once touted as the best in the country,” Tisei said.

Longtime Tierney adviser Michael Goldman countered, “While it may be an issue in some places around country, it’s not an issue for Tierney.” He predicted voters will judge Tierney on his “entire legislative issue, not on any single issue.”

Democratic strategist Steve McMahon said the key for Democrats is promoting the law’s popular parts, citing a provision letting parents cover their children until age 26 — even though recent polls show the majority of people look at the law itself negatively. A Gallup poll last week showed 54 percent of Americans disapproved of the Affordable Care Act, compared to 43 percent who approved of it.

“The question for Democrats is they own their vote, they own the bill, and they can’t run away from it. So they need to embrace it and talk about the features people love,” McMahon said. “And there are many.”



http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/04/us_rep_stephen_lynch_on_obamacares_election_toll_itll_bury_dems
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Apr 19, 2014 20:54:19   #
Well done.


7sealssurvivor wrote:
Even the liberals will laugh at some of these....lol

You Might Be A Liberal IF……….

With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy, here are my favorite answers to:

You Might Be a Liberal If You...

...still have an "Obama 2012" bumper sticker on your car
- right next to your "Obama 2008" bumper sticker.

...believe that achieving a record low percentage of Americans working, and record high percentage of Americans on food stamps and other "public assistance," are indicators of a successful economic recovery model.

...feel that voter fraud is a form of "social justice."

...are certain that any criticism of Obama is rooted in racism.

...believe Bill Maher and Jon Stewart are "journalists," and everything on MTV and in the New York Times is "journalism."

...look like "a deer in the headlights" if anyone mentions our Constitution because that is just "right-wing rhetoric."

... rail against racial discrimination but staunchly support Affirmative Action.

...feel the grassroots Tea Party Movement is a collection of ignorant racists, but the "Occupy Wall Street" movement is a coalition of thoughtful and principled reformers.

...believe CNN and The New York Times are objective, but Fox News and The Wall Street Journal are biased.


...feel George Soros is a benevolent patriarch but the Koch brothers are evil incarnate.

...support redistribution of wealth, as long as it's not your wealth.

...use hash tags like #hatewhitey, #taxtherich and #hateTEA on Twitter.

...believe that our Constitution is "living" but unborn children are not.

...are tolerant of diverse opinions as long as they do not divert from your own.

...want the government out of our bedrooms unless they're providing free birth control and abortions.

...feel people who are opposed to the redefinition of marriage, as Barack Obama was when elected, are bigots.

...feel the free market is where one goes to collect government handouts.

...have no idea that Franklin Roosevelt's "principle on taxation" was plagiarized from Karl Marx.

...still refer to Stalin as "Uncle Joe."

…believe that Che Guevara is a saint.

...know more than one vegan.

...oppose the death penalty for the most heinous of convicted criminals, while supporting the death penalty for the most innocent of unborn children.

...believe the only absolute in life is a brand of vodka.


...have joined Al Gore's cult of earth worshippers and feel "global warming" is all manmade.

...believe Oprah should be Obama's running mate in his third term.

...believe the phrase "separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution.

...reject the "paper or plastic" question because you're "bi-sacksual."

...feel that an open border with Mexico will provide you job security.

…believe jihadist Muslims are misunderstood peaceniks but Christians are cutthroat terrorists.

...protest against state censorship unless it's directed at anything "conservative."

...feel it's OK to require drug tests to keep a job but racist to require drug tests for welfare recipients.

...feel it's OK to mandate IDs to withdraw your own money from your own bank while it's racist to require IDs to vote.

...believe that making a "gun-like finger gesture" in elementary school is cause for expulsion while body guards for leftists should be armed to the teeth.

...believe that parents should provide permission slips for middle-school field trips but not abortion referrals.


...believe that "clinging to guns and religion" is subversive anti-American behavior.

...believe that "the right to keep and bear arms" is an obstacle to Liberty rather than its best insurance policy, that "a well regulated militia" refers to the National Guard, and that "arms" refers only to shotguns and hunting rifles.

...feel Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden are heroes for stealing millions of classified documents and making them available to Russia and China.

...trust that Obama's IRS enemies list is fully justified.

...believe that altering the "Benghazi talking points" is an Italian automaker's revised marketing plan.

...believe Bill Clinton is the best spokesperson for the Democrats.

...don't have a problem with a twice-elected mixed-race president who spews racist and classist rhetoric while living as the wealthiest of one-percenters.

...feel the primary objective of ObamaCare is to provide "affordable health care" to the uninsured.

...didn't know there are now 20 million more uninsured Americans now than when Obama took office.

...believe Barack Hussein Obama is trustworthy.
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Apr 19, 2014 20:53:11   #
Your on the mark.


The Dutchman wrote:
I think that you will find this fascinating because all 8 of the factors are ACTUALLY HAPPENING! Note that the first, government control of health, is the most important of all, and that is what ObamaCare is.

In every country where they were practiced, the country has been destroyed, and that is exactly what is happening to our country. It helps to explain why Obama pushed so hard to get ObamaCare passed. It is not about improving our system of delivering health care, because we already had the best system in the world. Instead, it is about having people at the mercy of a government if they have to rely on them to get health problems dealt with.

Alinski had great influence over Obama, and we can actually see the consequences.

This one message helps to explain virtually everything that is happening. It is not easy to read, but important to know. If we are ever to survive, we must try to unravel some if not most of the damage done by these 8 factors.

If you are at all curious, this is a simple but effective way to appreciate what is happening and where we were led astray. You do not have to read a whole book, just consider the 8 items in this list. I found it fascinating and I think that you will too.

I'm sure most of you have read about Alinski, but these are his rules in a nutshell.

Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.......

Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, Ca Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsk Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals

Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.?


All eight rules are currently in play


How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools

8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States ?

Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
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rumitoid wrote:
I will give you the chance to find where that term "useful idiots" originated, though you may think you know, I guarantee it is not what you think.
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Apr 19, 2014 19:17:50   #
Oh you liked that one huh. How bout Cruise picks one. Yuck. Anyway.
They could then do a Newly Wed Game Show followed by their own version of Little House on The Prairie. Oops forgot. Their all married.

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