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May 21, 2015 12:12:17   #
Char4Dew wrote:
I just pointed out that one man one woman is not in all bibles, it is not a cultural thing It is a belief.

It is without doubt a sensible attribute of good order. Any time a sharing of position is imposed on a society, it brings personal bias and resentment into play. Exclusivity is a desired position and format of marriage. and sharing is only tolerable by mutual agreement of all concerned, but does not always produce an attitude or foundation of equal justice.

USA freedom of religion with little tolerance.
till Sharia Law will walk in here. And it will dominate.
Suddenly Gay life will not be foremost on your plate.
I don’t care what gay people who love each other do.
I am not God I am not their judge and nether is anyone else.
I just pointed out that one man one woman is not i... (show quote)

Judgement is not the issue, but fairness is. Is it fair to you to have to maintain tolerance for a condition you deem disrespectful of your liberty and equality? Why should other people gain advantage that you do not have just because they want to be different. The price of difference should be born by those that want the difference, not every one else.

I do not care if Gay people exist, nor do I care what they do privately, but I do care when they want to disrupt good order with disorderly behavior. There is no good can come from evil practices. Good being defined only as compatible with good and right thinking. Whenever a private practice becomes the dominant theme of a society, it is evident that we have lost both our mind and our character. There are many examples in History that show the fallacy of putting evil practices into law. It is the beginning of social destruction and often if not always leads to the demise of the society in which it exists.

Look at the reason for all civilization extinctions, and you will find that the primary cause of it is deliberate adoption of dishonorable and unright order. Regardless of where the idea comes from, it is evident, that a cohesive and growing society exits when the Government uses advisory or suggestions of good behavior for the citizens, and compulsory laws and punishment for infractions of good order.

Of course, there are unnatural conditions that must be considered, but unnatural should not dictate social morality. Benevolence maybe, but that would be an exception, and agreeable to and supported by all citizens not just a select few. examples are physical handicaps, blindness, etc. Now if you wish to classify GAYS as handicapped people, a definitive listing of the reason for such a condition must be defined, and established, otherwise it is "unwarranted special treatment"
Which could be also directed at foreigners that do not have the capacity to speak and understand the designated language of a society. Special considerations are warranted for temporary assistance until someone no longer needs it, but not as a defined social dictate.

Now you will question the source of GOOD ORDER, and I have only to suggest that Good order is recognized by its intent. If a suggestion or direction is conducive to harmony and peace, it is of Good Order status. If any law give give a social advantage to a particular group of persons. it may or not be good order, because it disrupts the EQUAL JUSTICE of the environment.
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May 21, 2015 01:02:39   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Where do you get the 2.2 billion number from? The population of people in "christian nations"? In the US there are what, about 700million or so, a large percentage of whom would not know what the bible actually says, don't follow it or don't take it to be the literal word of God.

The evidence showing the inconsistencies, contradictions and sheer lunacy of the bible are too numerous to speak of. It is literally a book of fables and myths which some folks just are not able to see through or do see through but out of fear of going to the bad place refuse to admit to.

It is ridiculous to use the bible as your basis of argument with those who obviously do not agree that it is, indeed, the word of God, on any topic.

Just say'in, your argument against homosexuality based upon the bible is bogus for that reason.
Where do you get the 2.2 billion number from? The... (show quote)


And to say that homosexuality is normal based on nothing is NOT BOGUS? You have to have some foundation for critic if you are to take a position. The only viable and enduring standard of social behavior, is the Word of God. Since there are so many adulterated versions of the writings, it must be a writing of common agreement that can be used as a standard for both moral and social behavior. Most of the civilized world has accepted the rendition scrutinized and agreed to be authentic as the standard . The King James version. This version has also been modified and distorted depending upon the denomination utilizing it. It is probably the least adulterated version at the moment. so it has become somewhat of a standard.
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May 21, 2015 00:46:51   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
I know lots of Christian's who don't actually think the bible is the literal word of God.


If that is their attitude, they are not Christians. They are deluded pagans. If you do not believe in God, your whole life is a meaningless exercise in futility. Life is meaningless, and you are irrelevant.
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May 21, 2015 00:43:30   #
4430 wrote:
Agree many have just plain stop looking for work not sure of the numbers but there are a lot !


people have not stopped looking for work, they have just discovered that the government does not care if they live or die. they work without records. They take cash only, no records, not receipts, no hassle. The government is not concerned with the people, just with publishing meaningless statistics to appear that they are doing something other than harassing those tossed on the scrap heap of indifference.
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May 21, 2015 00:38:57   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
You only know the "bible" version of what "God" thinks about it. Who cares what the bible says about it if the bible is NOT the "word of God", which many so not believe it to be.


If there is no God, the whole thing is meaningless. Life is meaningless. Love is meaningless. crime and death are meaningless. There is no purpose and no destination for life at all. We are arguing about nothing. Mankind cannot invent morality, because there is no basis for it. If there is no supreme law and morality standard, there is nothing to life. Life is meaningless. What reason do we have for existance? Are we here just as decoration for our own pleasure? If so then laws are just irritants and mean nothing. If everyone can establish their own version of morality, that too becomes meaningless.
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May 21, 2015 00:28:50   #
Char4Dew wrote:
SIN is faulty thinking. What other people do that is love is not Sin.
Get your eyes into your own bedroom.
The 10 commandment do not speak of Gays.
That is the Moral Law.

They have rights; they can’t be annihilated, abused like black people were.
I am glad they spoke up, they work, they love, and they get angry like other humans do.
The rest is all limited thinking.

WE should look at what Government is doing not what gays are doing
that is just a distraction because Americans do not have the balls to look at the government.
SIN is faulty thinking. What other people do that ... (show quote)


The government was put in place to limit the actions of the people. People do not know how to control themselves sensibly. Since government is run by people, the whole thing is senseless. Unless a standard is established and recognized it is an open field of disparity. Society is supposedly a system of sensible laws and controls on the exercise of liberty. We have seen the senselessness of our law system. It should be gutted and rethought.
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May 21, 2015 00:16:42   #
Char4Dew wrote:
Go visit the Mormons, the Amish I think they can have up to 7 wife’s - yes they too live in America.
One man one wife does not apply there.


Maybe not, but that is not an unnatural combination. It may be unusual and unlawful, but man and woman in marriage is the preferred arrangement. That dual spousal arrangement may exist because of lustful stupidity, or scarcity of desirable companions or, or but it is not normal or desired. It is an adulterous situation, and accordingly comes under the banner of sin. It is also not condoned in normal society. Because it is lawful, or should it be lawful? Seems that you believe that anything we want to makes the rules. The next event will probably by marriage to a jackass, oops. that is already legal
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May 21, 2015 00:06:25   #
Singularity wrote:
He used the same words, "eat flesh," and "drink blood," four times!

Metaphorically?


Would "metaphorical cannibalism," be a better phrasing than "ritualistic cannibalism?"

How about "metaphorical creationism" then!?! How about the Deity as a metaphor?

Where do you draw a line when you begin to infer metaphor over literalism?


Well when I say that your viewpoint is crap, is that metaphorical or does it have some truth to it. It is the essence of the term, and not the physical similitude of it. If you cannot see that in it and insist on actuality, you are demeaning your so called liberal education.
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May 20, 2015 23:58:30   #
Singularity wrote:
He used the same words, "eat flesh," and "drink blood," four times!

Metaphorically?


Would "metaphorical cannibalism," be a better phrasing than "ritualistic cannibalism?"

How about "metaphorical creationism" then!?! How about the Deity as a metaphor?

Where do you draw a line when you begin to infer metaphor over literalism?


You have to use your common sense, there is no dictate for cannibalism in any culture except in history. I doubt if it is still practiced any where today. Cannibalism is and always has been a pagan concept.

Yet, if you believe that this life has no future value, than what difference does it make what any one does. We have no obligation to each other,and can make our own stupid rules. How society can exist under those rules is a mystery.
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May 20, 2015 13:31:44   #
Singularity wrote:
http://i.word.com/idictionary/cannibalism

can·ni·bal·ism
\&#712;ka-n&#601;-b&#601;-&#716;li-z&#601;m\
noun
1 :the usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being
2 :the eating of the flesh of an animal by another animal of the same kind
3 :an act of cannibalizing something
— can·ni·bal·is·tic \&#716;ka-n&#601;-b&#601;-&#712;lis-tik\ adjective
First Use: 1796

I conclude your illogical use of Ad Hominem arguments signals your lack of substantive evidence or fact to refute my statement... once again.

Seriously! Go argue with the Pope. It is the RCC that insists on the doctrine of transubstantiation!
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The Pope is the head of the delusioned Church. No one believes that crap.
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May 20, 2015 13:27:20   #
Singularity wrote:
Also:
John 6:53-56
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.


Surely you do not take this literally, Jesus was the "bread of life" and his words the life blood of knowledge. It was and is the essence of these elements that is compared, not actual physical duplicates.
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May 20, 2015 13:24:06   #
Anigav6969 wrote:
You're talking about YOUR God.....billions of people do not have the same religion as you....and its your interpretation of " God's rules" .....I've said it before.....same sex marriage is already legal in 36 states......are you okay ? Are we doomed ? Has your life changed ?


There is only one true God, The Creator of all things. It is not just my God, it is the only God. All those that deny the true God makes the rules for life are deluded.

Society makes rules that are only shadows of truth. If you do not follow truth, your follow fallacy. It is not up to created beings to establish the environment they are placed in, They must conform to where they find themselves.

If you believe that human beings created and established this world, you are fooling yourself. If you believe that the world came about from nothing and the actions of nothing but circumstance, you are seriously deluded. The conditions of the world we live in were created, designed, established, and are controlled by laws and conditions beyond our capability to modify. Because of our impotence in controlling disparaging trends, we force ourselves to live with them rather than doing what is right and true.

Same sex marriage does not directly affect me or you,it indirectly affects all human existance. It primarily affects those that adopt that position and the conditions of Society in general. Writing laws that condone disparate conditions is merely and truly deleting the nature of life. The future of same sex marriage is only relative to that element of society. In reality it is a dead end, and a foolish extension of vanity. The true future of civilization is not doomed by same sex marriage, it is doomed by accepting a false premise that it is of any value to a good and peaceful society.

If you can truthfully say and show the benefit of same sex marriage to society as a whole, I would like you to do so. It is without a doubt a selfish pursuit of false happiness. There is no social good in same sex marriage. If so, list it for me?

To adopt useless expressions of selfish desire is not a way to improve the environment we live in, it is a self destructive path of delusion. Give me just one good development of society as a whole by recognizing this disparate enigma. Do we recognize murder, theft, adultery, as GOOD things? It is the absence of these offensive issues that improves our life, not the acceptance. Homosexuality has no redeeming value to society in general. It is a disruptive anomaly that is being adopted by weak willed politicians to minimize the effort of taking a stance against its disgusting presence. Those that adopt evil will realize that no good can ever come from acceptance of evil. Next, we will have special privileges being enacted for all people that do not wish to conform to good order. Bald people will want special recognition and privileges. Prostitutes will want special status, gamblers the same. The camel has thrust its nose into the tent.

Homosexual relations are only prolonged suicide. With no progeny to carry on the essential good parts of procreation, it will essentially disappear like the dinosaurs of old. No children, no future.
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May 20, 2015 01:00:17   #
rebecwi333 wrote:
True..lol
:-) :thumbup:


Seems like time to become a vegan. If you can find any non gmo examples.
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May 20, 2015 00:50:16   #
Anigav6969 wrote:
Tell me , what social benefit do we receive from heterosexual oral or anal sex ? Looking to ban that as well ? would you like to be part of the " sex police " ?....you can peek into people's windows and make sure they're doing it right ! ...those practicing homosexual sex will die out ??? ....you can't be serious.....a certain percentage of the population have been gay since the beginning of time..

That may of may not be true, but it is not a fundamental action of the design. Homosexual sex, has no linear expression since those practicing it are a singular pods with no progeny. It is not a hereditary characteristic, it is an abstract or fault in human application.

..deal with it....or don't....it doesn't matter...you're accomplishing nothing...thankfully, most of the country has passed you by...if you're interested, you can always move to Iran...they have the same views as you do..
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It is not the activity involved in sexual relations between a man and a woman that are an issue here. The benefit of whatever is done in the pursuit of that concept of love is not the issue. The issue is the non-benefit of LUSTFUL expressions, outside of the ordained and designed concept. Sexual activities between a man and a women are not under scrutiny, because that relationship is in the proper framework of purpose.

It is not my rules that are being broken, it is God's rules. and since He has the final say in the outcome, it makes sense for the rest of us to adjust our life in His preferred fashion. If you believe that the majority of people prefer homosexuality you are probably not cognizant of your own method of existance. It could not have been by a homosexual connection. Or could it?
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May 20, 2015 00:26:25   #
1OfDem wrote:
No He did it because of ALL forms of lustful, loveless sexual activities be they homosexual or heterosexual.

He's never said anything against loving, committed relationships.


Well when He condemned the whole city because He could not find anyone expressing themselves in the fashion and definition of NOT SIN, He certainly said by action a lot about the kind of relationships that were prevalent at that time. And still exist today in spite of the clear declaration against such practices. All sinners at this time have no excuse for continuing to do things that Gad hates. There is an escape from sin, and the associated penalty. If the relationship is not as God desires, it is sin, and the punishment for continuing in sin, in spite of the opportunity to do right, is death.
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