Take your time I'll send you the paper complete with illustrations when you respond and you can proof it for tentative publication, if you feel like it. The article is approximately four pages.

Again keep it confidential.

Thanks and best regards

Dave

I sent you a private message did you get it?

Dave

Grant R Jeffrey from Ejekiel and Daniel came up with a startling algorithm that Prophesied to the month day and year Isreal became a nation in one day by a factor of four taking into account the penalty for leaders or kings of Israel and Juda backsliding into exile.

Gang,

This woman knows what she is taking about validated by the above authority. My only problem with Jeffrey is that he was pretrib...A major disappointment in my opinion.

Good work Sue!

This woman is wicked smart!

I like that Sue...Good response. Jesus my Messiah or your comming Messiah it makes perfect sense and shows remarkable depth and understanding. Our world views may not be so inseraperable after all.☺

I believe you Sue and you are not a dangerous person as described above.

I myself have read the Bible from cover to cover, different versions and different languages sixteen times over the last sixteen years.

What you're doing is very commendable.

May God bless you

David

I believe you mean that so I'll take that at face value. Thanx

Sue,

If you're listening in I'd be more than honored to correspond where we can agree to disagree without pulling any punches.

Do you have an anonymous post box number that you'd be willing to share with me?

If not I'll understand and leave you alone.

You probably think that both Mike and I are only a couple of jerks, and you probably wouldn't be far off in your assessment...

Anyway give me a call if you feel like it or are up to it.

Best regards,

Dave

PS: You too Mike

Private...Not and I agree with you and please don't take this personally because I know full well as you point out that this is indeed a public forum of shared ideas but you were being intrusive when you interjected yourself into our dialogue (IE: dialogue between two (2) parties) and that would have been perfectly acceptable but when you started implying that she was crazy you only accomplished two things:

A) You turned her off in a mean spirited way
B)Insulted the teachings of her faith no matter how missguided you "perceived" her personal arguments were.

Now I know Sue well enough to know she doesn't mind the agree to disagree approach but not being attached...And that's where you crossed the line on the intrusive issue in my opinion.

It is OK to tell her you disagree with her... She's no snowflake...But you need to make your case with the facts in a more polite and civil way point by point and give her a chance to respond before jumping to conclusions.

Hopefully you understand that and I believe in your heart of hearts that you actually do understand!

Anyway God bless and have a nice day😎☺

Oh that's sure to open hearts and change minds!

This is a private conversation between just Sue and myself.

Please let me deal with it Mike ...I appreciate your efforts but I've been where this person has been many times in my life...And anyway your "on a mission" approach is going nowhere...Trust me on this one and if you do address her on something I'm not discussing with her please be more friendly, less snarky, and treat her with respect.

Sue may know more about certain things that you and I combined could ever imagine...So pray consider that possibility.

To choose the Jewish faith does not make her crazy and that's where your presupposition is in error.

The Jews are God's chosen people so please keep that in mind for Christ's sake.

Sue,

I apologise personally if what anything that I said here offends you and was not my sincere intention to patronize.

And if so I apologise for both Mike and my behavior.

God bless you both

Dave

True very true but once you've saved...You're saved and there are other issues the pulpit is responsible for but neglects.

For example the author of the Second Great Awaking of America of 1825, Charles D. Finney a year before he died in 1874 wrote an amazing article in some New York publication about that very neglect were the Unitarian thinking and Transcendentalism of the time, had corrupted all churches and were now headed in the wrong materialistic direction of social Darwinism.

And yes 2/3rds of the sermons are about prophecy but the caveat there is also to be on guard against false prophets.

I therefore have always questioned with boldness any so called feel good doctrines like social justice, pro abortion or pre tribulation pap that the pulpit either ignores or refuses to address for attendance or popularity sake or worse yet advocates!

Again Charles D. Finney's admonitions are just as relevant now as they were then back in the 1870s!!!

But thanks for your input.

From a Bible believing saved Christian who believes there is a lot of work to be done yet,

Dave

I was abused by my older brother as a very young child.

Hated church and still do but now for different reasons. They don't do squat for virtue and are all about salvation even if the congregation is 100% saved. And this pretrib nonsense is just offensive as evolution is.

I guess my church was Charleston Hestin in The Ten Commandments and Ben Hur two of my all-time favorite movies.

I helped a girl get an abortion in college and regretted not trying to help her confront her parents, save the child and put it up for adoption but drove her to the clinic instead.

Most of my life rejected for being stupid but somehow along finding a relationship with God.

Taught evolution in college I didn't like it but could at that time find no reason to reject.

One of my most tramatic experiences in life was learning about the Holocaust watching a Walter Chroncrite show one Sunday and going to school on Monday looking at my classmates in third grade and remember seeing similar children being hearded into the gas chambers.

Anyway back to my personal guilt over the abortion I found forgiveness through Christ that upon realization the denying his sacrifice for me was a greater sin than the sin itself.

Mom had a simple Catholic faith and taught me how to love and respect others. Her mother to was a strong Christian. Kind but gentle.

In college I know they must of prayed a lot for me because I was pretty wild back then.

Well good night my Jewish friend.

You and I fight but I don't feel rejected by you.

Woops I better add that I am married to a good woman who really doesn't believe in God which makes me feel bad quite often but oh well...I still love her.

YAWN more later...LOL

The rapture isn't mentioned in the new testament either.... Daniel and Ezekiel come the closest...

But again I didn't come to evangelize you but please remember what I said at the end of that last message and don't listen to an old idiot like me...

But do your own homework!!!!!!!!!!!

It's there even in Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, (IE: your own Pentateuch), Samuel, Kings and Chronicles:

Highlighted in the historical chronological account of the Jewish tax collector Mathew and Pharasee scholar Paul's Acts.

Now forget about me...And trust yourself that you will NOT be influenced by anything other than your own good judgement.

If I am a fool then you will quickly, I am confident come to that just conclusion.

But if otherwise happens don't be afraid to question with boldness...Because God would rather have you question than just to simply follow blindly in fear... Because God didn't give us the spirit of fear but of love power and a sound mind....

Love

David

Sue,

I say this not as a prosletiseer but as a friend.

The God of Abraham you worship is the same God all us Christians also worship.

You and I both believe in a Messianic future.

But I define it in the present though while your doctrines teach you to look to the future.

But what I believe is this:

That God gave us free choice and directions in his word to sort out these things for ourselves.

That also if we apply ourselves to do our research the examples that the martyr Steven's gave following history before the new testament pointed directly at Christ and on closer searching revealed that the events and witnesses could not have been manipulated or even if so impossible to fudge especially the events as witnessed at the time.

You have scales on your eyes....But in the end times those scales will be removed:

And you will look at the wounded one and mourn for him as a lost son and find yourself marveling how you could have ever believed otherwise.

But now is not that time but in being friends with you and learning to appreciate you and in just the very brief time that I have known you. You have what it takes although not now but when confronted by the real Messiah you will know more than you know now and that beautiful mind I am confident will make the right decision.

And it is a decision that God will bless you and allow you to make.

The only question that will then be left is will you allow yourself to make that decision

Will you allow yourself alone to make that choice?

Please remember that I have shared this with you that the only one standing in your own way at that particular moment wiil not be God but only you yourself.

Let yourself go!

And may God bless you!!!!!!!!!!

Your last statement is what really worked for me to allow myself to finally let go of my guilt because it was a greater sin to deny than the sin itself and that attendant realization helped to finally push it away and move on with my life.

Let this serve as a beacon of hope for those currently struggling with their own guilt and personal inspiration.

Glory to God

Yes it was the same joy and slow release I felt at about the same age. I was a little older about 45

Amen to that....Thank God!!!!!