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Jun 24, 2019 07:52:48   #
BigMike wrote:
Doesn't stop you from accusing Trump or believing dumb shit. You still think he and Putin stole the election...somehow.


And when did Bush start?

It's the only way you guys win elections, stealing and cheating will expect nothing less in 2020.
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Jun 24, 2019 07:37:28   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Morgan carries a white cane with a red tip.

Her brain operates in the same manner.


At least I have a brain, go take your gun and pet pig and go back to bed.
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Jun 24, 2019 07:35:48   #
Seth wrote:
Mr. Marlin isn't a "them," he's a .30-30 lever action rifle with a 12 round tubular magazine.


I could also give a crap what you gun obsessed morons want to nickname your gun, a gun isn't my baby or my little friend, but I still know how to use mine.
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Jun 24, 2019 07:04:40   #
EmilyD wrote:
Great platform, Joe. "I'm going to raise your taxes!!! Vote for ME!!!


It would be about time.
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Jun 23, 2019 09:38:21   #
JoyV wrote:
>What about the UN Arms Trade Treaty. The negotiations began in 2006 under George W Bush. He refused to sign it unless it excluded small arms. That exclusion never took place. Under the Obama administration negotiations resumed. It was sent to Congress for a vote. Congress voted it down. Obama signed it anyway. It violates the 2nd Amendment (especially due to the inclusion of small arms), as well as bypassing Congress which is not only illegal but unconstitutional. Like the Paris Accords, it requires the US to pay for other countries. President Obama said that all nations “must meet our responsibility to observe and enforce international norms.” But after Obama signed it it still had to be ratified by Congress. It received a bipartisan rejection. So the US never concluded the treaty.

>The Obama administration joined the Paris Accords even though Congress never voted for it. Again bypassing the legislative branch.

>Obama complied with the Ottawa Convention even after Congress rejected it. Obama ordered our military to destroy all land mines including any being deployed anywhere in the world except Korea.

In each of these cases Obama placed international treaties and laws ahead of the United States Constitution!!!! And in each case he usurped powers of the legislative branch.
>What about the UN Arms Trade Treaty. The nego... (show quote)


I also never wished for anything, what I said was what you spoke of with your party I have not seen happen yet, and Obama never did anything Constitutionally illegal, and for you to stand there on that premise after Trump, you have some gall and a huge hypocrite.
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Jun 23, 2019 09:28:47   #
Seth wrote:
That would mean entering the target rich environment peopled by career politicians.

Can I bring my Marlin? Can I? Huh, can I? 😁


you can bring anyone you want, but you have to sit with them
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Jun 23, 2019 08:02:14   #
slatten49 wrote:
Yes, clearly we do...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/did-donald-trump-or-barack-obama-tell-more-lies.html/

Excerpt summary: So who has told more lies: Barack Obama or Donald Trump?

Both presidents have told lies. But one seems to have told more lies than the other. Politifact reports that 15% of the statements by Donald Trump that it evaluated qualified as “pants on fire” level lies. Conversely, the publication found that just 2% of the Barack Obama statements that it fact-checked qualified as “pants on fire” lies. For both presidents, that’s only the lies that Politifact found were “pants on fire” false, not including statements that were just “false,” even “mostly false,” or only “half true.”

Similarly, The New York Times catalogued the lies told by Barack Obama and Donald Trump. “We applied the same conservative standard to Obama and Trump, counting only demonstrably and substantially false statements,” the Times noted. The result? The Times found that Trump often says “whatever helps him make the case he’s trying to make. In his first 10 months in office, he has told 103 separate untruths, many of them repeatedly. Obama told 18 over his entire eight-year tenure. That’s an average of about two a year for Obama and about 124 a year for Trump.”
Yes, clearly we do... br br https://www.cheatshee... (show quote)


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Jun 23, 2019 07:50:33   #
jim_shipley wrote:
Famous Presidential Lies Contest



Written by, To The Point News



LBJ:

None of our boys will die on foreign soil

Nixon:

I am not a crook

GHW Bush:

Read my lips - No New Taxes

Clinton:

I did not have sex with that woman... Miss Lewinski

GW Bush:

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction

Obama:

I will have the most transparent administration in history.

The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.

I am focused like a laser on creating jobs.

The IRS is not targeting anyone.

Itwas a spontaneous riot about a movie.

I will put an end to the type of politics that "breeds division, conflict and cynicism".

You didn't build that!

I will restore trust in Government.

The Cambridge cops acted stupidly.

The public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my desk

It's not my red line - it is the world's red line.

Whistle blowers will be protected in my administration.

We got back every dime we used to rescue the banks and auto companies, with interest.

I am not spying on American citizens.

Obama Care will be good for America.

You can keep your family doctor.

Premiums will be lowered by $2500.

If you like it, you can keep your current healthcare plan.

It's just like shopping at Amazon.

I knew nothing about "Fast and Furious" gunrunning to Mexican drug cartels.

I knew nothing about IRS targeting conservative groups.

I knew nothing about what happened in Benghazi.

I have never known my uncle from Kenya who is in the country illegally and that was arrested and told to leave the country over 20 years ago.

And, I have never lived with that uncle. He finally admitted (12-05-2013) that he DID know his uncle and that he DID live with him.

If elected I promise not to renew the Patriot Act.

If elected I will end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan within the 1st 9 months of my term.

I will close Guantanamo within the first 6 months of my term.

I will bridge the gap between black and white and between America and other countries.

And the biggest one of all:

“I, Barrack Hussein Obama, pledge to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.”

I believe we have a winner
Famous Presidential Lies Contest br br br br W... (show quote)


I see you very conveniently left out the King liar, the Trumpet, but we would need pages and pages, I believe there is your winner.
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Jun 23, 2019 06:50:37   #
The Critical Critic wrote:
Sorry Joy, I missed this comment of yours. Thank you. And very true, I mentioned that to Morgan because I cannot stand hearing that nonsense, which is easily reduced to a meme. It’s simply untrue that those services are socialistic in any way.


Social services defined as: are a range of public services provided by the government, private, profit and non-profit organizations. These public services aim to create more effective organizations, build stronger communities, and promote equality and opportunity.

Social services include the benefits and facilities such as education, food subsidies, health care, police, fire service, job training and subsidized housing, adoption, community management, policy research, military, and lobbying.
I think you are still misunderstanding where I'm coming from, do you understand why "social" and things which connect with it are not to be feared. Though we can fear people manipulating us, and using that fear to do it. Rest assured we will not fall to socialism unless our government fails. Nor will we lose our guns, they accused Obama of that for eight years, it never came close, all it did was spur on gun and ammo sales...hmmm?
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Jun 23, 2019 06:13:11   #
JoyV wrote:
They alienated themselves well before Trump came on the scene.

You WISH what I said was true? Are you saying you would be in favor of international laws superseding our constitution? Have you ever heard of the UN ATT (Arms Trade Treaty)? The stated purpose of the treaty was to regulate trade in conventional arms to stop illicit diversion by requiring member nations to file reports measuring the country’s imports and exports of small arms. George W Bush was in favor of it IF it exempted firearms, but it was voted down in Congress. However, dictatorships such as China, Iran, and Syria are not signatories. The agreement, signed in 2015 by then-Secretary of State John Kerry on behalf of the Obama administration, was deeply controversial, as a bipartisan coalition of 57 senators opposed the treaty. It included small arms, AND like the Paris Accords, we would be paying for many other countries. Now here is the clincher. When Trump pulled out of the treaty, it had still not passed congress. The Obama administration signed on and promised funding WITHOUT Congressional approval or oversight. So not only was the treaty unconstitutional due to the violation of the 2nd amendment, it violated Article I enumerate power.

Congress has authority over financial and budgetary matters, through the enumerated power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.
They alienated themselves well before Trump came o... (show quote)


You know, screw you Joy, another attempt from the right to twist someone's words, well... two can play at that game.

What I said I wish were true went to your comment:

quote: What I suggest is check everything a president does against the constitution.
and...
"if he signs a treaty to abide by international laws which are unconstitutional and violates our Bill of Rights, vote him out as fast as you can!"

So nice twist...


They didn't alienate themselves, the right does this with everyone who doesn't line up with them, they always do just what they accuse others of doing. You guys have gone against your own party members by calling them RINO's. Your own words {" As too many are RINOs and have either opposed Trump or at least dragged their heels."} That clearly is loyalty to a man and not a country. You go against other Americans and are so far gone you're willing to take up arms against them rather than to find any kind of compromise, because, your party... don't... compromise. message received.

BTW did you notice in the article it states... There are 34 non-signatories, including major powers such as the United States, Russia, and China.
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Jun 23, 2019 05:29:05   #
JoyV wrote:
>What about the UN Arms Trade Treaty. The negotiations began in 2006 under George W Bush. He refused to sign it unless it excluded small arms. That exclusion never took place. Under the Obama administration negotiations resumed. It was sent to Congress for a vote. Congress voted it down. Obama signed it anyway. It violates the 2nd Amendment (especially due to the inclusion of small arms), as well as bypassing Congress which is not only illegal but unconstitutional. Like the Paris Accords, it requires the US to pay for other countries. President Obama said that all nations “must meet our responsibility to observe and enforce international norms.” But after Obama signed it it still had to be ratified by Congress. It received a bipartisan rejection. So the US never concluded the treaty.

>The Obama administration joined the Paris Accords even though Congress never voted for it. Again bypassing the legislative branch.

>Obama complied with the Ottawa Convention even after Congress rejected it. Obama ordered our military to destroy all land mines including any being deployed anywhere in the world except Korea.

In each of these cases Obama placed international treaties and laws ahead of the United States Constitution!!!! And in each case he usurped powers of the legislative branch.
>What about the UN Arms Trade Treaty. The nego... (show quote)


This is hearsay unless you cite something credible, not to mention it is not detailed enough on what Obama signed> Honestly don't you people eeeeever get tired of talking about Obama and Hillary, if any of this had an inkling of truth why didn't the right impeach him on it...because he was within his presidential rights as Trump has shown us every damn day.


The Ottawa Convention at a Glance

By the Arms Control Association
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ottawa

Fact Sheets & Briefs

Contact: Daryl Kimball, Executive Director, (202) 463-8270 x107

Updated: January 2018

The Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction, typically referred to as the "Ottawa Convention" or "Mine Ban Treaty," seeks to end the use of anti-personnel landmines (APLs) worldwide. It was opened for signature on December 3, 1997, and it entered into force on March 1, 1999.

As of January 2018, 164 states are party to the treaty, including Palestine. One country, the Marshall Islands, has signed but not ratified it. There are 34 non-signatories, including major powers such as the United States, Russia, and China. Few countries in key regions of tension, namely the Middle East and South Asia, have opted to participate. For more information on signatories and states-parties to the treaty, see: “The Ottawa Convention: Signatories and States-Parties.”

Because of the treaty, international norms have now formed that discourage any country, signatory or not, from using mines. Many non-signatories are in de facto compliance with the Ottawa Convention by refusing to use landmines and committing to voluntary destruction of stockpiles. Non-state armed groups continue to use mines, in particular improvised landmines (improvised explosive devices [IEDs] that meet the definition of banned APLs) in about 10 countries per year. (Millions of mines are estimated to be planted in the ground in 61 countries and disputed areas.

Global APL stockpiles are thought to be around 50 million mines, down from earlier estimates of about 100 million. Some of the countries that suffer the most from the humanitarian impacts of landmines include Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia, Chad, and Iraq.

The Obama administration undertook a review of its policy towards the Ottawa Convention and in 2014 expressed an intention to eventually accede to the treaty. US policy now bans the production and acquisition of APLs as well use of the weapons outside of the Korean Peninsula.

Prohibitions: States-parties commit to not using, developing, producing, acquiring, retaining, stockpiling, or transferring anti-personnel landmines, which are defined by the treaty as mines "designed to be exploded by the presence, proximity or contact of a person and that will incapacitate, injure or kill one or more persons." APLs that are remotely triggered, such as claymores, are not proscribed, nor are anti-vehicle mines, including those equipped with anti-handling devices, which are designed to protect anti-vehicles mines from being tampered with or moved. The treaty also forbids signatories from assisting or encouraging any other state or party from engaging in the activities outlawed by the treaty.

APL Destruction and Clearance: Each state-party is expected to destroy all APLs stockpiled in arsenals, except those retained for demining training, within four years of becoming bound by the treaty. Collectively, states parties have destroyed more than 50 million stockpiled landmines, with only five states, at most, still to complete destruction. Greece and Ukraine missed their deadlines to complete stockpile destruction.

Within 10 years of its entry into force date, each country is required to destroy all APLs under its jurisdiction and control, including those planted in the soil. A country may request renewable extensions of up to 10 years to complete this clearance task. A majority of participants at a meeting of states-parties or review conference must approve an extension request. Many states have sought and received extensions and more than 25 countries have completed clearance of all mined areas.

Cooperation and Assistance: The treaty calls on any state-party "in a position to do so" to assist other states-parties in aiding mine victims, providing demining assistance, and helping with mine destruction. States-parties are expected to be as helpful as possible in making sure all states-parties have access to equipment, material, and scientific and technological information for implementing the treaty without "undue restrictions."

Transparency: Each state-party is to provide the United Nations with a comprehensive report on the numbers, types, and locations of all APLs under its control as well as the status of all programs for destroying APLs. An initial report is required 180 days after the treaty becomes legally binding for each state-party, and thereafter reports are expected annually by April 30.

Compliance: The treaty did not create an implementation or verification body or outline punitive measures for noncompliance. A state-party may question the compliance of another state-party, and a special meeting of states-parties can be convened to address the allegation. States-parties can establish a fact-finding mission to investigate the alleged noncompliance and, if necessary, call on the state-party in question to address the compliance issue.

Amendment and Withdrawal: Treaty amendments can be proposed, and then approved by two-thirds of all states-parties attending a special amendment conference. A state-party may withdraw from the treaty six months after submitting an instrument of withdrawal, though it will not take effect if the country is engaged in armed conflict.
Also:
The only thing keeping the United States from fully complying with the Ottawa Convention is its insistence that APLs are crucial to the defense of the 38th parallel that separates the South Korea from North Korea. “Even as we take these further steps, the unique circumstances on the Korean Peninsula and our commitment to the defense of the Republic of Korea preclude us from changing our anti-personnel landmine policy there at this time,” National Security Council spokesperson Caitlin Hayden said in a statement.

One more thing you were wrong according to this negotiations began in 1997 and that would be Clinton.
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Jun 23, 2019 05:00:01   #
JoyV wrote:
A fire department does not qualify as a social program. The definition of a social program is: Social program refers to a program administered by the federal, state, or local government using government funding designed to provide social services directed at reducing poverty, improving opportunities for low-income adults or children, self-sufficiency, rehabilitation, or other services directed toward vulnerable citizens.

A fire department serves the entire community both rich and poor. Its goal is not to improve the lives of the needy but to save the lives and property of any in their jurisdiction!

It is similar for most, if not all, on your list.
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You basing everything on one definition is a very narrow view of the interpretation. That is but one definition and not a very accurate one. Social in its meaning means relating to society or its organization. but in your definition, it does not include all which is untrue. Social programs encompass all programs and organizations it does not only have to include only low income, or only be required to reduce poverty directed toward the vulnerable. A social program IS paid for by the government, whether local, state or federal. The Government organizations are inclusive, your single definition does not refute that.

For these programs NOT to be included, they would have to be privately paid for or run solely by volunteers, which they do do not. The definition of a social program is: Social programs administered by the federal, state, or local government using government funding designed to provide social services, period and all that it encompasses.


The social components for a sustainable society have these essential components:
(1) an economic system that builds productive forces and promotes common prosperity in a steady, sustainable manner.
(2) a political system that supports a vigorous people's democracy focused on implementing the people's political agenda.
(3) a strong, united, and fully sovereign homeland.
(4) resource management policies that promote a flourishing natural environment while meeting the people's economic needs.
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Jun 22, 2019 22:10:01   #
son of witless wrote:
Trump can never be part of the swamp because once his eight years are up he is gone. The trouble with DC politicians, even Republicans, their goal is a long career in DC which makes them swampers.


Trump is the King toad in the swamp.
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Jun 22, 2019 22:08:17   #
JoyV wrote:
Never party before country for the conservative voters! Not even for the Republican Senate. As too many are RINOs and have either opposed Trump or at least dragged their heels. Many are every bit as much swamp dwelling elite as the Democratic elite are. What I suggest is check everything a president does against the constitution. If he is following it, even if we didn't like where it was leading; then we conservatives will stand firmly behind him. But if he signs a treaty to abide by international laws which are unconstitutional and violates our Bill of Rights, vote him out as fast as you can!
Never party before country for the conservative vo... (show quote)


Good words but I've yet to see that happen.
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Jun 22, 2019 22:06:19   #
The Critical Critic wrote:
Sorry Joy, I missed this comment of yours. Thank you. And very true, I mentioned that to Morgan because I cannot stand hearing that nonsense, which is easily reduced to a meme. It’s simply untrue that those services are socialistic in any way.


They most definitely are, especially the military.
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