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Nov 1, 2014 08:42:41   #
moldyoldy wrote:
bush was dumber than a box of rocks, so don't even try to compare.


Moldy

In the last 6 years all Obummer ever did was blame Bush for his problems.

Time to give it a break . . . Man up and take responsibility for your series of screw-ups, scandals and Muslim-loving attitude.

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Nov 1, 2014 05:52:47   #
Workinman wrote:
Wasn't meant to be a slam, it is what I have I have seen...I grew up and moved on while the guys I grew up with ended up dead or are playing the system, only 2 of us moved on out of 12... Out of that 10, 6 are alive and are on the system. If you want to have a conversation put the punk attitude away. Other wise kiss off.


Working an

Punk Attitude is normal for Glaucon.

It is used to hide (impossible) his low intelligence.

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Oct 30, 2014 08:57:23   #
rumitoid wrote:
Here is a message from a good friend:

Subj: Sleep Safely in America
Pretty Amazing!

A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin ...
Allow me to restate that number: 600,000!

Over the last several months, Wisconsin 's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world.

(That’s more men under arms than in Iran . More than France and Germany combined. )

These men, deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin , to hunt with firearms,
And NO ONE WAS KILLED.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and
Michigan 's 700,000 hunters, ALL OF WHOM HAVE RETURNED HOME SAFELY.

Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the
Hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.

And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states.
It's millions more.

________ The point? _______________________________________

America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower!
Hunting... it's not just a way to fill the freezer.

It's a matter of national security.

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That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.
Food for thought, when next we consider gun control.
Overall it's true, so if we disregard some assumptions that hunters don't possess the same skills as soldiers, the question would still remain...
What army of 2 million would want to face 30 million, 40 million, or 50 million armed citizens??? For the sake of our freedom, don't ever allow gun control or confiscation of guns.
(IF YOU AGREE, AS I DO, PASS IT ON, I FEEL GOOD THAT I HAVE AN ARMY OF MILLIONS WHO WOULD PROTECT OUR LAND AND I SURE DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT TAKING CONTROL OF THE POSSESSION OF FIREARMS)
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Rumitoid

This is the first time I have agreed with you!

There is hope for you yet!

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Oct 30, 2014 08:51:48   #
docwill wrote:
"If even ONE CHILD'S LIFE is saved as a result of this legislation, it will be worth it..."

You gun-nuts just don't care about children...


doc will

There is no cure for stupidity!

Anyone who does not properly secure guns in an environment with children is stupid.

It has NOTHING to do with caring about children and everything to do with being stupid.

Refer back to the first line of the post for clarification.

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Oct 30, 2014 08:10:58   #
skott wrote:
Who did I dishonor. And I am a vet of the U.S. Army.


Scott

He told you who you dishonored! The people who sacrificed EVERYTHING so that you can be free to post your liberal bullshit.

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Oct 30, 2014 07:58:07   #
Ty
jimahrens wrote:
I THINK THIS HAS IT ALL COVERED.

I Am the Democratic, Republican Liberal-Progressive's Worst Nightmare.

I am a White, Conservative, Tax-Paying, American. I am a Master Mason. I work hard and long hours with my hands to earn a
living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don't push it on others.
I ride Harley Davidson Motorcycles, and drive American-made cars, and
I believe in American products and buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and not some liberal
governmental functionary, Democratic or Republican, that wants to share it with others who don't work!

I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer; it makes you a smart American.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and
does not entitle you to anything. Get over it!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac or any other item, you
should do it in English.

I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and
where they want to.

My heroes are Malcolm Forbes, Bill Gates, John Wayne, Babe Ruth,
Roy Rogers, and Willie G. Davidson (who makes the awesome Harley
Davidson Motorcycles)

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I've never owned a slave, nor was I a slave. I haven't burned any
witches or been persecuted by the Turks, and neither have you!

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where
you came from and change your own country!

This is AMERICA ...We like it the way it is and more so the way
it was ...so stop trying to change it to look like Russia or China , or
some other socialist country!

If you were born here and don't like it...
you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you.

I believe it is time to really clean house.

I want to know which church is it, exactly, where the Reverend
Jesse Jackson preaches, where he gets his money, and why he is
always part of the problem and not the solution?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking
the law, regardless of what color you are, but not just because you happen to ride a bike.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driver's license.

I think it's good....And I'm proud that 'God' is written on my money.

I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

I dislike people standing in the intersections trying to sell me stuff o trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause....Get a job and do your part to support yourself and your family!
I believe it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents of the opposite sex.

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA ! If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.
If you are a BAD American too, please forward this to everyone you know.
We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great, great, great grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in the Revolution & the War of 1812.

My great, great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Mexican American War.
My great, great grandfather watched as his friends & brothers died in the Civil War.

My great grandfather watched as his friends died in the
Spanish-American War.
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My grandfather watched as his friends died in WW I.

My father watched as his friends died in WW II.

I watched as my friends died in Vietnam , Panama & Desert Storm.

My son watched & bled as his friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq.

None of them died for the Mexican Flag. Everyone died for the American flag.

Texas high school students raised a Mexican flag on a school flag pole,
other students took it down. Guess who was expelled...the students who took it down.

California high school students were sent home on Cinco de Mayo,
because they wore T-shirts with the American flag printed on them.
Enough is enough!!! This message needs to be viewed by every American; and every American needs to stand up for America.

We've bent over to appease the America-haters long enough .

I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because the hundreds of thousands who died fighting in wars for this country, and for the American flag. AMERICANS, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! Let me make this clear! THIS IS MY COUNTRY !
This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, welcome to come legally:

Get a sponsor; Learn the LANGUAGE , as immigrants have in the past!; Live by OUR rules; Pay YOUR Taxes; No Social Security until you have earned it and Paid for it; NOW find a place to lay your head!

We've gone so far the other way . . . bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

Only AMERICANS seems to care when American Citizens are being offended! WAKE UP America ! ! !
If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp!

I want to hear it "This is my Country and I am taking her Back"
I THINK THIS HAS IT ALL COVERED. br br I Am the ... (show quote)



Jim

It is about time someone made a statement extolling the United States and its values.

There are MANY out here who totally agree with you and are proud of your statements.

Anyone disagreeing should find any country to live in because they sure as hell are not patriotic Americans.

Snoopy
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Oct 29, 2014 20:49:43   #
Glaucon wrote:
If that bull shit gets your thought the night and that is all you are able to understand, go for it.


Glaucon

That last comment of yours sounds like anger and frustration.

You are so upset you cannot spell "through" correctly and are forced by your frustration to use foul language.

Now who is projecting hate?

Snoopy
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Oct 29, 2014 15:35:12   #
Bad Bob wrote:
Must be real bad in Japan, Canada and the UK.


Bad Bob

You forgot Australia. Since gun confiscation their crime statistics have gone out of sight.

Try reading Professor John Lott "More Guns, Less Crime"

I live in a county that has a very high rate of gun ownership. Most folks are well trained and respect firearms.

We have very few home invasions - criminals do not like the odds. They love gun free zones and restricted gun ownership.

Sound like a bit of common sense - totally lacking in other areas.

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Oct 29, 2014 15:27:17   #
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DJRich wrote:
Many of the resident gun rights nuts here on OPP are always whining and crying and literally crapping their panties when they think that the government or the hated liberals are somehow trying to take their precious guns away from them.

So it is great entertainment when conservatives in a conservative state, alabama, are fighting each other and name calling about a proposed state constutional amendment.

And this battle has NOTHING to do with liberals or democrats taking or controlling goober guns.

Too damn bad it isn't a real circular firing squad.

http://www.examiner.com/article/alabama-rights-flap-indicative-of-problem-gun-community
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DJrich

No whining from me. I laugh at you fools who faint at the sight of a gun.

When you have trouble who do you call . . . Your local law enforcement . . . To come to your rescue - carrying A GUN!

Shit your pants while someone else cleans up your mess.

The crying comes from your side because you all have the testicles of a canary.

Snoopy
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Oct 29, 2014 08:25:16   #
T
slatten49 wrote:
Your kids are becoming you...and you don't like them...but your grandchildren are perfect!

Going out is good...coming home is better!

When people say you look 'Great'...they add 'for your age.'

When you needed the discount, you paid full price. Now you get discounts on everything...movies, hotels, flights, but you're too tired to use them.

You forget names..but it's OK because other people forgot they even knew you.

The 5 pounds you wanted to lose is now 15, and you have a better chance of losing your keys than the 15 pounds.

You realize you're never going to be really good at anything...especially golf.

Remember when your mother said, "Wear clean underwear in case you GET in an accident?" Now you bring clean underwear in case you HAVE an accident!

The things you used to care to do, you no longer care to do, but you really do care that you don't care to do them anymore.

Women...your husband sleeps better on a lounge chair with the TV blaring than he does in bed. It's called his 'pre-sleep'.

Your spouse is counting on you to remember things you don't remember.

You used to say, "I hope my kids GET married...Now, "I hope they stay married."

You miss the days when everthing worked with just an 'ON' and 'OFF' switch.

You tend to use more 4-letter words...'what?'...'when?'

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Slatten

I am 82 and the only thing gold in golden age is my urine.

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Oct 28, 2014 21:26:30   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
Just epic...
___________________________________________

A conversation between well-known conservative commentator Mark Steyn and an intrepid talk-radio show went beyond the contents of a new book Monday and delved directly into the controversy over Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president.

After mentioning his birthplace is Toronto, author, radio host and commentator Steyn jumped feet first into the eligibility issue in an interview with Peter Boyles on KNUS Radio in Denver.

To live in the United States, “I have to provide a long-form birth certificate,” Steyn said, “but if it’s the president, any old photocopy from Kinko’s will do.”

Steyn, whose new book, “The Undocumented Mark Steyn,” compiles some of his best work, also has authored “After America” and “Lights Out: Islam, Free Speech And the Twilight of the West.” He’s been a guest host for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

He explained to Boyles, who regularly tackles the eligibility issue, he was born in Toronto, and “oddly enough as a condition of my presence in this country, I did have to provide my long-form birth certificate.”

“I don’t know whether I’m ready to go full birther, but I think it’s slightly odd,” Steyn said.

He said the questions raised over the president’s eligibility are legitimate.

“What I find odd is when people present it as a crazy conspiracy. I don’t think it is crazy,” he said. “I think it’s the kind of thing that could happen very easily if you’re audacious enough and have the cooperation of a relatively small number of people. You could do it.”

Obama’s qualification for president as a “natural born citizen” has been challenged in court since before he was first elected in 2008. The White House finally relented in 2011 and posted a birth certificate, but Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigative team concluded it is a forgery and promises even more startling revelations soon.

“Anyone who thinks it would be difficult to obtain a faked certificate of live birth is someone who just doesn’t know how these things work,” Steyn said.

Steyn said there are doubts not only about the birth certificate but about Obama’s whole life story.

“The fascinating thing about Obama is this mutable biography. Whatever happens at the moment,” he said. “For over 15 years, his publicist found it convenient to promote him as a man born in Kenya
Just epic... br _________________________________... (show quote)



Sicilian

How come there also little info on Mooshell and NONE on the daughters?

Snoopy
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Oct 28, 2014 21:17:54   #
Retired669 wrote:
Do you not realize you can get into this country from the air and the sea? Who needs the southern border other than fear mongerers?


Retarded

Do you realize there is some sort of checkpoints at airports and docks?

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Oct 28, 2014 14:28:20   #
tdsrnest wrote:
Hey where is Fox News on the gas prices. They scream whine complain about Obama when there up. How come the silence even there cult followers are silent on OPP.
I paid $2.85 a gallon yesterday and I left a note on the gas pump thanking Obama.


Turdnest

The law of supply and demand, you fool

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Oct 28, 2014 14:25:02   #
PaulPisces wrote:
Old Gringo - that sounds suspiciously like you want the government to take care of a problem for you, which surprises me coming from someone who appears otherwise to want the government out of their business.


Paul

Something new - have the government do the job it is supposed to do such as control immigration.

Interesting idea.

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Oct 27, 2014 09:31:34   #
JMHO wrote:
The dishonest tactics of the Left that stifle debate.

Gabby Giffords, the former Democratic Congressman from Arizona who was shot in the head at a campaign rally in 2010, has come under fire recently for exploiting her horrific experience for political gain. Using her celebrity as a famous victim of gun violence, Giffords has created a Super PAC, Americans for Responsible Solutions, focused on gun control legislation. Her group has produced political ads for Democratic candidates that feature other victims of gun violence, and that suggest the candidate’s opponent supports policies that contribute to such violence.

Even supporters of Giffords’ own party are uncomfortable with this electoral tactic. At Politico, Alex Isenstadt wrote recently that Giffords “has unleashed some of the nastiest ads of the campaign season, going after GOP candidates in Arizona and New Hampshire with attacks even some longtime supporters say go too far. And Republicans on the receiving end are largely helpless to hit back, knowing a fight with the much-admired survivor is not one they’re likely to win.”

Exploiting one’s personal experiences is, of course, nothing new in politics. Ancient Roman candidates were expected to show off their scars earned in fighting for Rome. Marc Antony fired up the Roman people after the assassination of Julius Caesar by brandishing his bloodstained and torn toga. During Reconstruction in the United States, “waving the bloody shirt” became common among radical Republicans who used the casualties and suffering of the Civil War as a weapon against Southern Democrats.

In those cases, however, it was service and sacrifice in war that were used for political advantage. Today, any sort of suffering from any cause, especially on the part of those considered victims of historical oppression, is used to obscure rational discussion and debate with clouds of pathos and emotion.

The questionable assumption we often accept about suffering is that enduring terrible experiences automatically make one an expert on the broader issues related to the causes of suffering. That’s why like other public victims of gun violence, Giffords has spoken out as if her experience has made her an authority on gun policy. Thus she has attacked politicians for disagreeing with her on the issue of guns not by making a coherent argument, but by conjuring up her own experiences and sentimentalizing other victims of gun violence. Having created a fog of emotion, she then argues for policies, such as more restrictive background checks for those buying guns, even though there is no evidence that such procedures keep guns out of the hands of those determined to get them. After all, the man who shot Giffords had undergone a thorough background check. Worse yet, such emotionalism sets aside the critical Constitutional issue––the Second Amendment right to “keep and bear arms.”

Focusing on any one citizen’s unfortunate experience obscures the fact that public policy affects millions of people with differing views on what aims we collectively pursue and put into law. Moreover, policy must adhere to the constitutional limits on government action and conform to existing law. The complex clash of conflicting beliefs and respect for the law requires clear, coherent thinking of the sort difficult to achieve when issues are clouded with emotion and sentiment. It also requires open deliberation and debate, which are short-circuited by indulgence of the ad misericordiam fallacy, the use of pity, compassion, or sympathy to entice, or browbeat, people into accepting a conclusion not earned by argument. Giffords indulged this fallacy last year when the Senate did not pass gun-control legislation she favored. Speaking of Senators who had voted against the bill, she later wrote, some “looked into my eyes as I talked about being shot in the head at point-blank range.” It may sound harsh, but as National Review’s Kevin Williamson writes, “Being shot in the head by a lunatic does not give one any special grace to pronounce upon public-policy questions.” Nor does it give one the expertise, knowledge, and sober arguments necessary for public political debate on contentious issues.

Another example of the deleterious effects of using personal experience to trump sober reasoning was Republican Senator John McCain’s campaign against waterboarding, in which he freely exploited his own harrowing experience of being brutally tortured as a prisoner of war for six years during the Vietnam conflict. The pathos and horror of that experience made it difficult for critics to appeal to the simple fact that waterboarding was not torture under the U.S. law defining torture.

Yet calling on his own experience at the hands of the North Vietnamese, McCain clouded this critical discussion with lurid emotional appeals to most people’s lack of knowledge about what defines torture in U.S. law, and to their understandable sympathy for McCain’s six years of suffering. As a result, McCain’s efforts gave bipartisan cover to President Obama, who on entering office issued Executive Order 13491, which forbade waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques that had successfully yielded actionable intelligence from enemies of the United States. As a result, our interrogation tools have been severely limited, which has lessened the value of capturing terrorists for interrogation. McCain’s remarkable fortitude and courage in surviving such an experience are worthy of our admiration, but they did not make him an expert on the legal complexities of interrogation, and the grim imperative to extract from terrorists information that could save lives.

Both Giffords and McCain personally suffered horribly so it’s understandable that their experiences would shape their responses to relevant political issues. Yet others use suffering by proxy as a political trump card. In particular, those endorsing identity politics depend on the historical suffering of their group in order to gain political leverage and foreclose deliberation and debate.

Proponents of identity politics define individuals by their race, ethnicity, or sex, which in turn are defined by a history of oppression and exclusion. This history casts members of those groups as victims, no matter how far removed they actually are from oppression today. As victims, then, these groups have grievances that they claim the larger society has a moral obligation to address, mainly in the form of various kinds of reparations, such as affirmative action, government transfers, or other government set-asides based on race or sex. In the political arena of deliberation and debate over policy, the emotions aroused by that historical suffering bestow a specious authority on the self-proclaimed victim, who now is beyond criticism or accountability for the coherence or validity of his arguments. Critics are instantly branded as “insensitive” or “uncaring” at best and “racist” or “sexist” at worst.

Attorney General Eric Holder has been a prominent example of this mentality. During his tenure, he aggressively has attacked states that have legislated voter identification requirements. In his retirement speech he said that protecting “voting rights” was his “top priority” as Attorney General, and he pursued this priority even after the Supreme Court upheld voter identification laws in their 2013 decision of Shelby vs. Holder. His efforts on this issue were predicated on the past history of Jim Crow era restrictions on black voters, a backbone of the segregation outlawed by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Holder has consistently referred to that history of discrimination last practiced more than half a century ago. In a 2012 speech before the Council of Black Churches, he subtly linked the Jim Crow voting restrictions to the photo identification laws when he said that these “discriminatory” laws threaten “some of the achievements that defined the civil rights movement”—achievements that “now hang in the balance.” Later on he added, “We have to honor the generations that took extraordinary risks” to gain equal access to the polls, and warned, “this fight must go on.”

In July of this year, Holder repeated his commitment to this crusade: “I will not allow people to take away that which people gave their lives to give, and that is the ability for the American people to vote.” These references to the Civil Rights movement suggest that asking for a photo ID before voting is similar to the exclusionary legal restrictions such as literacy tests common in segregated states.

Supporters of Holder’s position have taken the same tact. Commenting on Florida’s pending voter ID legislation in 2012, the Advancement Project warned, “We are particularly concerned about the impact of this election year’s voter removal practice on eligible voters of color protected under the Voting Rights Act, given Florida’s documented history of erroneous discriminatory purges in the past.” The suffering of blacks during the Jim Crow period, which included lynching, legal exclusion, and everyday incidents of brutality and humiliation, has become a proxy for what in fact is, under state law, the mild inconvenience of acquiring a photo ID necessary for scores of other public transactions.

Like Giffords and McCain, Holder also appeals to personal experience. His sister-in-law was one of the students who in 1963 desegregated the University of Alabama, as Governor George Wallace famously blocked the “schoolhouse door.” Linking his own political efforts to this family history and iconic moment in the Civil Rights movement enhances Holder’s authority and provides cover for his constitutionally dubious and politically partisan efforts against red-state governments. Similarly, like many affluent and powerful blacks, Holder is fond of referencing personal experiences, such as being pulled over by the police for no reason, to gain some credibility as a victim of ongoing racism.

By using suffering as a political trump card, people like Holder not only cloud sober debate with sentiment and emotion, but also shut the debate down by accusing critics of being racists attempting to undo the achievements of the Civil Rights movement. In July of this year, Holder leveled this charge against those protesting his arguably radical politicization of the Department of Justice: “There’s a certain level of vehemence, it seems to me, that’s directed at me [and] directed at the president,” Holder told ABC. “You know, people talking about taking their country back. . . . There’s a certain racial component to this for some people. I don’t think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some there’s a racial animus.”

Some of Holder’s supporters are less restrained. Michael Eric Dyson, a professor at Georgetown University, recently claimed that Holder has “weathered the storm of an enormous racial backlash against black people in power at the top,” and has had to endure “vicious and acrimonious, if you will, articulations by people in the Senate” disturbed by “American power in a black man.” Such ad hominemsmears short-circuit a public discussion of the issues and policies Holder and others pursue.

The trump card of suffering might be politically useful, but using it is a dishonest tactic that inhibits informed deliberation and debate. Relying on emotion and sentiment, no matter how understandable they are as a response to suffering, have since ancient Athens been the agents of bad policies and dangerous political decisions, and tactics for pursuing political advantage at the expense of the public good. They have no place in our already conflicted and divisive public political discourse.

Bruce Thorton
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JMHO

Giffords and company should spend their time, energy, voice and money on the REAL cause of these acts: MENTAL HEALTH.

If the same amount of money were spent on improving the mental health of this country we MIGHT see less of these crimes!

Snoopy
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