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Sep 8, 2022 15:57:55   #
336Robin wrote:
This ruling could have implications that go very deep even to the President himself who caused the January 6th, insurrection.

Shouldn't we be able to disqualify political candidates based on attacking our government?


Yahoo News
Cowboys for Trump founder is 1st politician removed from office over Jan. 6. Could others be next?
Caitlin Dickson
Caitlin Dickson·Reporter
Wed, September 7, 2022 at 12:39 PM
A judge in New Mexico ruled Tuesday that Couy Griffin, an Otero county commissioner and founder of the group Cowboys for Trump, is disqualified from holding public office because of his participation in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

The historic ruling marks the first time an elected official has been ordered removed from office because of their participation in, or support of, the Capitol riot. It is also the first time a judge at any level has found that the events leading up to and on Jan. 6 — when a violent mob of supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol, temporarily preventing Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s win in the 2020 presidential election — amounted to an “insurrection.”

Some legal experts predicted that Tuesday’s ruling could have serious implications for other current or former officials — including Trump himself — who were involved in Jan. 6 and may be hoping to return to government.

Couy Griffin holds an American flag as he rides his horse along a New York street.
Couy Griffin rides his horse on Fifth Avenue on May 1, 2020, in New York City. (Jeenah Moon/Getty Images)
“If this stands up on appeal, then it’s a significant precedent for the next election cycle,” said Gerard Magliocca, a constitutional scholar and professor of law at Indiana University. Magliocca told Yahoo News that “the most obvious way in which that works is, if Mr. Griffin is disqualified for what he did on Jan. 6, why isn’t Donald Trump disqualified for what he did on Jan. 6, which was greater?”

In his 49-page decision, state District Court Judge Francis Mathew concluded that Griffin, who was convicted earlier this year of trespassing on Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, must be immediately removed from office and barred from holding any future elected position at the state or federal level.

“He took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States ... [and then] engaged in that insurrection after taking his oath,” Mathew wrote. “The Court concludes that the January 6, 2021 attack on the United States Capitol and the surrounding planning, mobilization, and incitement constituted an ‘insurrection’ within the meaning of Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Couy Griffin speaks to reporters outside federal court in Washington.
Couy Griffin speaks to reporters at federal court in Washington on June 17. (Gemunu Amarasinghe/AP)
Mathew cited a rarely invoked constitutional provision that was designed to prevent members of the Confederacy from holding public office after the Civil War. It states that anyone who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof” after “having previously taken an oath” to “support the Constitution” shall be barred from holding “any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state.” The provision does not require an official to be criminally convicted of participating in an insurrection in order for them to be disqualified from holding office.

According to the Congressional Research Service, the last time Congress invoked Section 3 of the 14th Amendment was in 1919, when it was used “to refuse to seat a socialist Congressman accused of having given aid and comfort to Germany during the First World War.”

More recently, progressive groups unsuccessfully sought to use the provision in other lawsuits filed in Arizona, New Mexico, North Carolina and Wisconsin that aimed to block Republican lawmakers accused of supporting the Jan. 6 rioters from continuing to hold office.

A mob of Trump supporters fight with law enforcement as they storm the Capitol.
Trump supporters fight with members of law enforcement at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. (Leah Millis/Reuters)
In May a federal appeals court ruled in a lawsuit against Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., who spoke at the “Stop the Steal” rally that preceded the Capitol attack, that insurrectionists could be barred from holding office. However, the ruling came after Cawthorn had already lost his primary, rendering the matter effectively moot.

In a separate case challenging the candidacy of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., a state judge in Georgia said the Jan. 6 riot constituted an insurrection but that the challengers had “produced insufficient evidence to show that Rep. Greene ‘engaged’ in that insurrection.” Meanwhile in Arizona, a state court dismissed lawsuits seeking to keep Trump-allied Republican Reps. Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar off the ballot.

Unlike those lawmakers, who attempted to overturn the 2020 election results from inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, Griffin’s presence among the riotous mob outside made him a somewhat easier target for advocates seeking to hold officials accountable for their roles in the attack.

Donald K. Sherman, senior vice president and chief counsel at Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), suggested that Tuesday’s ruling out of New Mexico “provides a road map” for future challenges to officials who may have encouraged or supported the rioters without physically storming the Capitol themselves.

Sherman and other CREW attorneys discussed the judge’s ruling — and its potential implications for other officials — on Twitter Spaces Tuesday afternoon. CREW represented three New Mexico residents who brought a civil lawsuit against Griffin in March, which called for him to be removed from office for his participation in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

In particular, Sherman highlighted Mathew’s conclusion that Griffin “aided the insurrection even though he did not personally engage in violence.”

The judge’s ruling, Sherman said, “makes clear” that “the disqualification clause of the Constitution does apply to the events of Jan. 6. ... And the mobilization and support of Jan. 6, whether individuals were violent or not on that day, was an insurrection within the context of the Constitution.

“There are certainly others in government and out of government who would qualify as insurrectionists under the legal precedent,” he said.

Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they push barricades to storm the Capitol.
Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they push barricades to storm the Capitol. (Roberto Schmidt/AFP via Getty Images)
Griffin, an avid conspiracy theorist and founder of Cowboys for Trump, a group of horseback-riding supporters of the former president, had served as one of three elected commissioners for New Mexico’s Otero County since 2019. In the weeks leading up to Jan. 6, 2021, he promoted the false claim that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, including as a speaker in a multicity bus tour organized by Women for America First, one of the groups that coordinated Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6.

In March, Griffin became the second defendant in the Justice Department’s wide-ranging Jan. 6 probe to go to trial for his participation in the riot. He was acquitted of disorderly conduct but was found guilty of a misdemeanor charge of trespassing on Capitol grounds. In June, a federal judge in D.C. sentenced him to 14 days in jail with time served and one year of supervised release for the trespassing conviction, which he has said he plans to appeal.

Griffin, who said he was considering a run for sheriff at the end of his commission term later this year, has continued to promote unsubstantiated election fraud claims in his role as county commissioner and had refused to certify the results of his county’s primary election in June.

“This is why you don’t want insurrectionists holding office, because they will continue to use their position to undermine democracy,” Sherman said Tuesday.

Griffin represented himself in a brief bench trial last month after the Otero County Commission declined a request to fund his personal legal representation in the lawsuit. During the trial, in which attorneys for CREW, along with a team of New Mexico-based lawyers, called several witnesses to testify about his actions on Jan. 6, Griffin criticized Mathew for refusing to dismiss the case and insisted that he was at the Capitol as a peaceful protester.

However, Mathew found that Griffin still acted in support of the insurrection, even without engaging in violence. In his ruling, the judge wrote that Griffin not only helped “mobilize and incite thousands across the country to join the mob” in Washington but that “by joining the mob and trespassing on restricted Capitol grounds, Mr. Griffin contributed to delaying Congress’s election-certification proceedings.”

Sherman said this particular aspect of Mathew’s ruling could have “important implications for any current or former or aspiring ... [officeholder] who did participate in the insurrection.”

Griffin did not respond to a request for comment, but he reportedly told CNN after the ruling Tuesday that he’d been ordered to clean out his desk at the county commissioners’ office. He told Reuters that he plans to appeal Mathew’s ruling.
This ruling could have implications that go very d... (show quote)


“This ruling could have implications that go very deep even to the President himself who caused the January 6th, insurrection.” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Yea! I’m sure Trump is worried! LOL! ………..Very Deep, indeed!
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Sep 8, 2022 15:51:45   #
RascalRiley wrote:


I thought you retired this one? 😎
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Sep 8, 2022 15:43:41   #
JR-57 wrote:
It’s beyond my comprehension that they allow one person to have so much control over them and their actions. It’s actually quite laughable.


It is unbelievable how “possessed” they are……they have gone beyond “obsessed!” Our nation could totally collapse and they would still be screaming……but TRUMP! 🤯🤯🤯🤯
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Sep 8, 2022 15:34:23   #
lindajoy wrote:
Good Lord girl you got it goen on for sure… So nice to read tho… You have great grand babies too?? Im jealous!! I keep waiting for a grand baby… But do understand the “ delay”~Big families are the best!! Come from a large family (6) kids and holidays were always great!!! When all together its a party and noise for sure… lolol But what memories too. And just think of all the great memories for all your family later…🥰 Along with passing along “ your family history and traditions.”Sooo important anymore.. by the time you get inquisitive enough to want to know those who could tell the stories best have passed on. I don’t want that to happen in my family.

Its been hot here too, uncommonly hot!! Waiting on Fall for sure!! 🤗🧜‍♀️👙🦞🐠🐟🐬🏊🏼‍♀️🛥<<~~~did you get out on your boat any or too hot? Love you my dear friend💕…
Good Lord girl you got it goen on for sure… So nic... (show quote)


I’m so sorry, I missed this! My iPad has stopped picking up my email, which makes it very difficult to keep up with the responses on different threads! We haven’t done much fishing……it’s been too hot! Jack finally just pulled the boat out of the slip to wait for under triple digit temperatures. He is cleaning the bottom today and putting some kind of application on it and it goes back in the slip! We sold our twin engine center console boat…it was too big for the lake and river fishing here, but I sure miss it……..no bathroom, no padded area to lay down and read, or the larger shaded area! Oh well, I’ll just have to suffer now in our Bay boat! 😂🤗

You’re going to love being a Nanny or whatever you decide to call yourself. Our daughter’s grand babies call her Jo Jo and I’ve been “Nanny” for 33 years! The first time they say your name it is absolutely amazing. I am still thrilled every time they run to me calling “Nanny!”

I love you, too, my young friend! I’m glad you’re back! 🌞🌈🫶
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Sep 8, 2022 14:38:07   #
Parky60 wrote:
Not trying to be self-centered or anything but I wish that more people would pay attention to the threads I start. They provide very important insight into what's REALLY going on in the world.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12


For those that don’t know God or knowledge of the Bible, and even many Christians who have not actually studied the Bible, especially prophecy of the end times, are going to be very surprised and frightened with many of the coming prophecies that are going to be devastating and catastrophic all over the world in the not too distant future. For some, perhaps the only opportunity that they will have to hear about God and what the world will soon face is on unsuspecting places like this! Introducing people to prophecy is an excellent way to also share the Gospel, which is the duty of every Christian. More and more we will witness the supernatural and our only protection will be Jesus Christ our Savior.
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Sep 8, 2022 12:45:36   #
permafrost wrote:
Nearly all of us from that time knew a lot who did not come back... Marines were lost every day at times and the whole crummy war should not have been fought.. But circumstances demanded the action that we were involved in..

You, like most of trumps troops do not seem to give shit about anything but your own personal comfort..

Have a good evening ... come back tomorrow...


Do you not realize how many vets are Trump supporters! I am the wife and Mother of two of those vets who fought for this country and who are Trump supporters, along with many friends who have fought for this country from Nam up to now! BTW! Not only Marines were lost in that war! You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a disrespectful comment, but I have no doubt that you are not. Funny what your kind of hate does to the very soul of a man!

Below are some messages from vets!
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Darren Smiley

How common is it for a Marine to be a Democrat?

Fairly rare. The Corps is pretty rooted in tradition. “Traditional” tends to be fairly conservative. Today that means “Republican”.

Every Marine I know voted for President Trump mostly because they absolutely despise Hillary Clinton. Despise in a visceral, unintelligible way. “I would rather shoot myself in the face while feeding my nuts into a meat grinder than vote for her” as one of my friends put it. Which ultimately means they feel the same way about her as the anti-Trump crowd feels about him. They feel she was contemptuous towards the military in general, and Marines specifically. They feel she left Chris Stevens to die. They could rattle off a dozen other reasons.

I’ve never even heard a rumor about a Marine who supports socialism in any way shape or form. If such a mythical creature existed he or she would be distrusted by his fellow Marines at best, and outright villified at worst. Almost every Marine today was probably at least trained by a cold war era Marine. To them socialism is communism, and the commies are the bad guys.

Now, when people cast their ballot, it is private. Maybe a lot of them vote “D”, and they just don’t talk about it.
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Richard Johnson

Why are the war vets more likely to be a Republican in the US?

You enlist at age 19, registered Democrat with the most altruistic of motives. “I’m going to save lives and property at sea! I’m going to good for my fellow humans!”

At age 20, you realize that far more than people relying on you to save them, they are relying on you to save yourself and just effin’ do your job, so they can stay alive too. You must emotionally and philosophically confront a new truth—that you are ultimately in charge of your own mortality—and a second new truth—people will tell you anything if it gets you to do something for them (in this case enlist.) You see that “the truth” is nothing like what you are told.

At age 21, you have that figured out and “have your shit together.” You understand your job, what’s needed and what’s expected regardless of how it was described. You do your job. You learn what it’s like to become part of a functioning team. A real team where the skills and actions of everyone matter, and mesh.

At age 22, it becomes clear that actions matter far more than words. Both have consequences, but when that stranger is going to drown or freeze unless you personally risk drowning and freezing, you have to decide right then that your feelings about this don’t matter. You have to go out. You don’t have to come back.

And when at age 27, and you get a postcard from a stranger thanking you for saving her mother, you finally fully integrate your service. How you feel about that situation, how much we talk about your or her pain, how much you needed to struggle to learn swim all don’t mean much. What matters is that when the time came … you acted.

One day, two candidates for office come to your door. One wants you to pay money to have strangers provide food for the hungry, and also wants you to give up your ability to defend yourself. The other wants you to keep a gun, participate in the neighborhood watch, and volunteer time gleaning surplus fruit.

In that moment, you remember being 20 and discovering that no amount of external coercion changes the basic truth that you have to be able to carry your own weight before you can also carry someone else’s. You remember being 22 and discovering that actions matter more than words. You remember being 27 and being thanked for actually carrying that extra weight of someone else and saving her, again reminded that outcomes matter more than feelings.

So after they leave, you go down to the county elections office and change your party affiliation from Democrat to Republican (in my case Libertarian) because you no longer believe in their platform.
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Al Nolf
Former Senior Chief (E-8) at United States Navy (USN) (1968–1989)Author has 7.3K answers and 21.2M answer views3y

Which political party would you say supports the US military the most?

Under Democrats the US military was reduced to levels not seen since the end of WW2. Under President Trump Both the VA and the military have received big boosts. The military budget under Trump is 700 Billion x two years, and our wounded Veterans are FINALLY getting the needed medical treatment they require.

Go back as many years as you like. It was Democrats who were Rioting in the streets and who Protested against us when we came home from Vietnam. Tell the sanitized story to your grandkids any way that makes you feel better, but Vietnam Veterans will never forget.
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Sep 8, 2022 12:03:18   #
Tiptop789 wrote:
Perm, you'll never get a real honest answer from the Trump crew. You'll never change their minds, it's a waste of time to try.


Oh my goodness, Tippy! There ya go proving you really do reside in the “State of Denial”……..😂

You are right about one thing, you won’t change our mind! We live in the real world with real people! You ought to get out more! We have some very serious problems in this country due to the idiots in the White House. Ignoring these problems will only make them worse. Where’s your honest answer addressing these problems.

Why are you and your friends ignoring all the information that is being revealed on Hunter’s laptop? Where’s your honest answer…….other than “Trump!” 😉
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Sep 7, 2022 13:45:54   #
336Robin wrote:
You and your sisterhood seem so elated at making sure folks live according to your rules.

What could go wrong?

Maybe people want to make their own decisions? It's a possibility.

Maybe people should be responsible for their decisions! How bout that?

It’s not what can go wrong or what can go right…..it’s about fighting for the “least of these!” Remember that sermon? 😉 Fighting for these babies is the only thing to do!…..and we will continue to do so!

No person should support the murder of infants when it is nothing more than Birth Control of the last resort!…and, YES, a fetus is a baby! The majority of all abortions are Birth Control…..that’s a fact! Why should the loss of the life of a precious baby be payment for the price of a few minutes of pleasure of two irresponsible people! That price is too high for not just Bible believing, God fearing people! People of different religions also believe this! There are always couples waiting to adopt a baby! That’s not just my opinion, it’s an absolute TRUTH!
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Sep 7, 2022 12:41:25   #
American Vet wrote:
Even CNN and the New York Times have called BS

During a rousing Labor Day speech in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, President Joe Biden falsely claimed that he was "very engaged" in the civil rights movement in the 1960s — a bogus story he has repeated so many times that "advisers" have had to "gently remind" him that he's lying. Even CNN and the New York Times have called BS on Biden's repeatedly debunked claim to civil rights fame.

https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-rubin-report/biden-civil-rights-match-lie?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220907SponsoredTrending-RevelationMedia&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News
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And yet, all we hear about is Donald Trump and his lies! I’d love to see the Trump haters show up on this thread and admit to the many lies of Biden, including his plagiarizing!………And without saying, “But Trump!”

Here is another lie that Biden told, but CNN says No big deal if he puts 3 stories in 1…………. That’s the problem! If Biden lies, no problem…….If Trump lies, they celebrate!

https://youtu.be/6argiNWEnk4

And then the plagiarism! 👿

https://youtu.be/mCJMF7mflGE

Lie after lie…….This one he tells his son not to worry, he’s in the clear! You just can’t make this stuff up! Only a Democrat could get away with this corruption…….Along with the FBI and the DOJ covering for them!

https://youtu.be/cIbopgjSfeI

And this one should have made every man/woman that has ever served, especially them, to have been beyond angry, but it didn’t. The Trump haters, defended Biden’s choice to pull out of Afghanistan, when and how he did. He claimed that the Generals did not advise to keep some troops there, but under oath, they disputed Biden’s statement! Lies and more lies, but who’s counting? right? 👿👿👿

https://youtu.be/L-khU2gYKxo
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Sep 7, 2022 11:48:56   #
martsiva wrote:
NO - you did Not answer Parky`s question! Answer his direct question!!


Rumi has been asked the question regarding the Gospel many times by several different members and has always either chosen to ignore it altogether or to give his sermon on Spirit and Grace……..and his original sermon that all that matters is “love!” Rumi has never stated how a person attains Salvation! Rumi told us that he was a Professor at a college, however he disappeared when we questioned, “a Professor of what at which college?” LOL! I was always confused about his insistence that all that matters is “love” while displaying an angry, bitter, judgmental person as Rumitoid and his other multiple identities. There is nothing “lovingly, respectfully, or gently” about his attacks of Trump and his supporters, and Christians that don’t agree with him, whether under the name Rumi, RascalRiley, or Robin! 🤷🏻‍♀️

“What we can only do is to lovingly and respectfully and gently sit with those we may be concerned about to find the true nature of their belief.”

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These statements were taken from different threads in the Religious section of this forum in Feb……….

“Why? Because not one of us is as yet perfectly mature in Christ. Whatever I may say in this thread is not the Truth but my truth, concocted from a minute, minuscule, span of years and very limited experiences, laced with my bias of nature and nurture. What we each come to hold and believe as the Truth is always subtly or grossly changing as Spirit works in us to make us of maximum service to others for the kingdom and of a loving child of God. But the path is an inner process. Only God can truly know our heart. Where anyone may be on this path will appear differently to another as possibly, inferior, superior, wayward, corrupt, admirable, deceptive and so on. We can never be certain of such judgment. What we can only do is to lovingly and respectfully and gently sit with those we may be concerned about to find the true nature of their belief.”
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“In the process of saintliness, God deals with each of us sinners as a unique (being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else, singular in nature, incomparable) soul, displaying his vast creative diversity, and for his precise ends for each of us. (None of us, not one, is completely alike.) Thus, there are no progress notes to keep. Such a thing as "self-control" is not suppressing our nature or overcoming temptation, it is only and simply to maintain conscious contact with God, fully relying on Spirit and Grace to direct our thinking and actions despite all the worldly distractions and demands of the soul.”

“Self-denial has nothing whatsoever to do with imposing regulations for temperance. It is not doing without or seeing moderation in all things. Moderation in all things can be as much vanity as there is in gluttony. Self-denial is a state of mind, by grace, free of possessions of any sort, as much from material things as our own thoughts and way. In this, the kingdom God within each of us is freed.
"The more God takes us over”
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“In spirit, we possess nothing. Nothing of real and lasting value. And I am not just speaking of material things.

“When we are at-one with God, we have no scruples; those are a worldly distortion of Truth. We are to thoroughly rely on Spirit and Grace for guidance and action, and "lean not on our own understanding."

“We do not possess virtue; the only virtue is to wholly surrender to God, and that is by Grace alone. We dot possess power, for any power we may have is a gift from God; real power is humility granted by Spirit and Grace. We not possess Truth, no matter our scholarly and devotional knowledge of Scripture. Truth resides only in the Spirit of God. We do not possess rights; we are mere servants for the glory of God. We do not possess love. True love is infused by Spirit.”
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Sep 7, 2022 09:13:03   #
proud republican wrote:
So since Midterms are a little more than 2 months away... What issues are important to you, OPPers?


“It’s the economy, stupid!” Not you, PR! I lifted that line from the Democrats. I think the economy will be the top issue, along with the ongoing criminal and violence increase across our country and the border crisis that is being brought to the attention of many Americans. Fentanyl is the most dangerous drug ever and is taking the lives of our unsuspecting kids every day. These problems must be addressed. We cannot wait until 2024 and a Republican President…..we must have a Red Wave! God help us if we don’t! 😳
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Sep 7, 2022 08:51:26   #
Tiptop789 wrote:
Come back soon


Don’t worry “tippy”……..Rumi is like the energizer bunny rabbit! He keeps going and going and going!
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Sep 7, 2022 08:42:15   #
EmilyD wrote:
Yeah, not surprised. This username has run its course.

What will your next name be? Can you give us a hint?

It doesn't matter.....we'll figure it out.


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Sep 7, 2022 08:41:41   #
RascalRiley wrote:
Since few read RawStory I thought I might make this my last post, at least for a while.

Politico's new owner has publicly pledged to avoid partisan bias in the website's coverage but, behind the scenes, he appears to be a passionate supporter of Donald Trump.

https://www.rawstory.com/mathias-dopfner/


So, you’ve moved up Robin as your #1 character!……….which character will take the #2 slot now or will you surprise us with a brand new addition? 🤗
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Sep 7, 2022 08:34:58   #
permafrost wrote:
trump begs you people to send money every day... LOL such a group.. help the self promoting billionair.. do not let him go hungry... LOL


What’s it to you or anyone else if a Trump supporter sends him money. LOL! Did you work for that money? Does any of it come out of your pocket? Has any Trump supporter on this forum ever whined about you or any liberal because you gave to Biden? We don’t give a hoot what you do with your money, so mind your own business! We will do whatever we please with our money! You and all your like-minded buddies on this forum are obsessed with Trump and his ongoing ability to maintain millions of supporters and his usual draw of thousands of people at his rallies. Y’all are besides yourselves because you can’t stop it……your juvenile attempts are quite amazing though! 😉
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