[quote=dwp66][quote=JoyV]Better check your math. One trimester of a human pregnancy is 12 weeks.
You quoted me accurately. But I was not mistaken about the AZ exception for rape. And I believe no rape victim has been denied an abortion in AZ. I was certainly not mistaken that the current AZ laws are more lenient than Roe v Wade.
But while one of my replies addressed the issue of rape victims, my main point overall was to address the false narrative that the loss of Roe v Wade meant women would no longer have the "rights" imparted by Roe. I responded to the claim that abortions are banned in most red states by referencing my own state, AZ and how it's abortion laws are more lenient than Roe v Wade.
I note that your info on abortion laws in different states are not links to the actual laws. The lists published by some left wing organizations or news media are rarely accurate. Even when the lists include the actual wording of the laws, often they are explained with a spin. Depending on the issue, the same can be said for many right wing sources. So instead of getting a third party take on the abortion laws of various states, why not look up the actual laws.
How was Roe v Wade decision more restrictive in AZ? I thought I already stated so. But I'll repeat the main points.
1. Under Roe a woman did not have the right to choose to get an abortion. Her doctor had the authority to choose for her.
2. The doctor did not have to show cause to be allowed to provide or prescribe an abortion. [This one is only more restrictive than the current AZ law because it is the doctor who doesn't need to show cause, i.e. "on demand ", rather than the pregnant woman. ]
3. Abortions were only allowed during the first trimester (first 12 weeks), unless the woman's health or life are at risk, or she was the victim of sexual assault.
Where Roe and the current AZ law are equal are abortions could be protected after the first trimester in cases of the woman's health or life.
The practice of abortions on demand during the entire pregnancy at the choice of the woman was not because Roe v Wade required it. Restrictions were gradually reduced after Roe v Wade until just before the overturn by SCOTUS, some places expanded abortions be legal through the perinatal period. (Perinatal period is 1 to 4 weeks after birth.) That abortion restrictions reduced over time does not mean that these reductions were in Roe v Wade.[/qu
"I note that your info on abortion laws in different states are not links to the actual laws. The lists published by some left wing organizations or news media are rarely accurate. Even when the lists include the actual wording of the laws, often they are explained with a spin. Depending on the issue, the same can be said for many right wing sources. So instead of getting a third party take on the abortion laws of various states, why not look up the actual laws." Of fifty states? Surely you jest.
Can you provide an example of an actual state law and contrast that with a "leftist spin" that had been applied? So far all I see is your opinions. Btw, one need not go to lefty websites to find the data I provided, its widely available from lots of sources as you would see with even a quick search.[/quote]
And are the sources unbiased? When you don't specify a particular source in your search, but search by topic or key words, once you click on one that comes up you HAVE gone to that source.
Here is Arizona law on abortion. And it appears I was correct about rape victims after all. One reason given that an abortion can be performed after 15 weeks is if the woman was a victim of sexual assault.
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/1r/bills/sb1457p.htmHere are 4 leftist spins. [Actually spin is too mild as it is a lie that Arizona bans all abortions after 15 weeks.]
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-arizona/get-care/patient-services/abortion-information-for-patients#:~:text=Abortion%20is%20legal%20in%20Arizona,genetic%20abnormality%20is%20not%20permitted.
https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2023/01/27/arizona-shouldnt-settle-for-bad-abortion-laws/https://www.acluaz.org/en/issues/abortion-arizonahttps://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-arizonaThe last link includes two bits of info which are classic cases of spin. It states that the number of abortions have gone down in AZ since the law was enacted and provides figures. But it doesn't reveal that those figures are only of those abortions taking place within a clinic. The number of at home medical abortions has increased tremendously. If at home medical abortions were included, the number of abortions would be higher.
Another subtle piece of spin is it also makes no mention of exceptions for victims of sexual assault. No. The law does not say anything about exceptions for rape. But rape most certainly IS a sexual assault. So by using the word rape instead of sexual assault when saying there are no exceptions for rape, they or other sources can say they weren't actually lying.