tdsrnest wrote:
We all took away many different things from the 1st democratic debate. For example the democrats discussed saving our environment, republicans just deny and say there not scientist and allow the oil industry spread denial of climate change. Democrats Close private prisons republicans avoid this because they know there wrong and it would destroy there corporate elite agenda. And piss off the super PAC ALEC don't want to get those money people mad. Don't want to interrupt there advancing income an equality got to get the money to the top 1% so we the middle class can watch it trickle down. So GOP when will the trickle begin we have been waiting since Reagan created trickle down.
Democrats Regulate Wall Street, republicans have been spreading there propaganda that we need to go back to the golden years of Bush 43 wow please get us back to Bush 10% unemployment , 5 million people foreclosed on, two phony wars, please get us back to those days I guess a recession was not golden enough we need the GOP depression to be really golden.
Democrats address gun violence GOP not a chance they just continue to spread there propaganda that liberals are out to take there guns even though not one bill has been ever and I mean never sponsored by any liberal to take anybodies guns away except for mentally handicapped and felons. Liberals are just trying to get congress to discuss gun violence in our schools and society but the GOP loves to spread there propaganda put out by the NRA that it violates there constitutional right to own a gun. Has anybody ever heard the NRA say anything about the victims except it was not the gun that kills it's the bad guy holding the gun but still the GOP rejects anything that might help to save a kid in a classroom. Do these kids being murdered in a classroom have any constitutional rights I guess not according to the NRA and the GOP.
Democrats want to save SS the GOP wants to privatize and turn our money over to the corporate elite guess it further advances the GOP to push more money to the top 1% and wait for the big scam of trickle down. The GOP uses this BS that SS is unsustainable but fail to explain why. Ronald Reagan if you remember created the SS amendment back in the 1980's to take care of baby boomers when they begin to retire. Now think about the Reagan years when the GOP says Reagan never increased taxes on the middle class but he actually created the largest income tax increase in the history of this country through that SS amendment Act. Then took all those funds deposited in the general fund approximately $1.2 trillion was stolen from that fund by Reagan to support his trickle down that never trickled. Then Bush stole an additional $1.4 trillion to support his wealthy tax breaks and phony wars so GOP where is the trickle I am waiting. They need to privatize the SS or they will have to come up with the funds to pay for the baby boomers after all they have been lying by telling us the largest debt holder is China but sorry GOP we know now it's our SS fund that hold the majority of debt.
Giving away free stuff is the GOP talking point but how about billions to oil companies, national parks to the the Koch brothers along with our national forest for Koch brothers to make paper towels to wipe up our oil spills, how about giving away Native American land to foreign mining companies, or a fence to keep out Mexicans, or borrow more money for wars. So with corporate loopholes, subsidies, wars where the hell is the trickle down the upper 1% just gets richer. All we heard at the GOP debates is Emails more emails, Benghazi, Benghazi, and more Benghazi. All I got from the GOP debate is vote for me and look what I will take away from the middle class and hand it over to the corporate elite.
What I learned was the difference between the democratic debate and GOP debate were actual policy was discussed versus GOP fake facts and insults.
Republicans love to hide the fact they spend money then borrow money to support there spending habits on war, and corporate welfare then use a ridiculous talking point that all this spending is because of free stuff to people who need it. Democrats don't know about the impact of freebies to the corporate oil companies, or subsidies because they are not oil companies, or billionaires or defense contractors, all we want is roads, bridges, safe air and water, food to eat, a chance at higher education, a decent min wage, sending our children to school and know they will return home safe, and healthcare. None of which was mentioned in the GOP clown car debate. I just don't think that's to much to ask for when the the GOP spends trillions to murder people in foreign countries, and to justify these actions by saying the Muslims are coming to get you, then corporate welfare all on borrowed money and then blame the deficit on free democratic stuff to buy votes.
SO GOP WHERE IS THE TRICKLE WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 35 YEARS AND ALL I SEE IS A DECLINING MIDDLE CLASS AND THE UPPER 1% GETTING RICHER. BUT I GUESS ITS THE UNIONS FAULT FOR OUR ECONOMY COLLAPSE THATS SEEMS TO BE YOUR FAVORITE.
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Someone along the thread suggested argument over insults, so here we go.
First off, send me your posts for editing as I know the difference between, "There, they're, and their". It doesn't help your argument if it doesn't appear English is your first language.
Second, we don't reject climate change out of hand. We are just skeptical about it being man-made, and even more skeptical about our ability to do anything about it without forcefully reducing world population to well under a billion. We think the agenda of the left is to steal our money with a gun and give it to useless scientists who share your opinions on things other than global warming (oh, I forgot, it's not called that anymore!).
Three. Private prisons. We think it is insane that both Republicans and Democrats feel the need to incarcerate such a large percentage of the population. Privatized prisons does seem like an oxymoron, but I have never seen ANYTHING the government does better than the private sector, except wage war. The government is good at killing people and breaking things. Little else, I'm afraid.
Four. Trickle down. Just how do you think capitalism works? Here's how. A man like Tom Edison has an idea. He works his fingers to the bone perfecting it. He asks people to put some of the money they have saved into building a facility to manufacture said idea. He doesn't force them by voting to tax them to give him research money. He convinces them of their own free will to INVEST CAPITAL in his idea. He attempts to convince enough people to buy his product to make its' production feasible. If he does, and it's a product they like (like a light bulb instead of a kerosene lamp) he MAKES money. He doesn't steal at the point of a gun. Both he and his investors and the people who purchased the product are happier than before the existence of Tom Edison. That's NOT how government works. In government, 50% plus one vote steals from the other 50% minus one vote at the point of a gun. The example I like to use is the library. In your town, a ballot initiative is sought for a public library. If 50% plus one vote passes the initiative, 100% of the people are taxed so a small proportion of the people can read books for free. Now you have all the people being stolen from at the point of a gun (if you don't believe me, try not paying your taxes) so a few whiners with 'good intentions' can read for free. The author and printer sell less books than they otherwise would, otherwise productive space is stolen, and property value is artificially influenced up or down. No one is happy except those few people getting free WiFi in a 300 foot radius.
Five. W.? really? Very few conservatives are happy with the presidency of 43. We hate war. It's a function of the government that you so love. Less government, less war. That nonsense you passed off about only republicans wanting war is just that. Nonsense. The wars in the ME have been Obama's and the democrats since the day he took office, with both being in his purview to end. 6 and a half years ago.
Six. Guns. There are literally thousands of laws on the books regarding guns. If they were enforced, you might get somewhere. Passing stupid, ineffective laws just to let you say you did something (even though you didn't) is counterproductive. You wouldn't understand that, because you don't understand the function of being productive. I don't initiate force, but if it is initiated against me, I will fight with all my force and fury. If you come to confiscate my guns, you better remember, I have guns.
As you may guess, many of my arguments to your bereft philosophy will follow the same course, so I am only going to pick on one more of your pet peeves. Minimum wage. It's one of the worst, thieving, racist, policies ever foisted on the American people. It was conceived to keep less qualified, yet eager to work blacks from joining the construction trades in New Jersey. It's still racist because it keeps employers from hiring promising yet unskilled blacks at a wage where they can make the employer money. An employer is NOT there to provide jobs. He's there to make money. I hire people. If I have to pay an unskilled black youth $8.00 an hour, or I have the choice of paying some bright young college kid the same amount, which do you think I should do? Now if I could get that black kid for $4.00 (which is what he is worth to me) I just might do it. The left makes it sound like the whole middle class is scraping by on minimum wage. It's a lie. It's about 4% of the work force. The very same portion of the work force that's probably not worth minimum wage. Sorry.