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Jan 14, 2018 19:56:55   #
JFlorio wrote:
Some of what you say is true. We are to be good stewards of the earth. We mostly fail. Industries are going cleaner. Sometimes because of regulation or the fear of law suits. Not every regulation is good. Some are harmful. Liberals have a bad habit of loving something because of its name. Environmental Protection Agency is one. They can come on your land that has puddles after a storm and declare it wetlands and you can’t touch it. You may think industrialists are bad and many might be but that doesn’t make bureaucrats any better. I want clean air and water. How about diverting all those funds to fight climate change or pay off countries supposedly wronged by industry to cleaning up the oceans and waterways. What is your solution that allows one to also keep their quality of life?
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It's a definite balance, and believe it or not I agree on the possible overuse of regulations, some being repetitive. This is why the right people put in place is so important. Some regulation for example are ignored due to the fine doesn't substantiate them not doing what they are supposed to, they're happy to take the fine.
I don't think industrialist are bad, it's their actions that are bad, as in covertly dumping where they shouldn't be, poisoning rivers which in turn the animals or our water supply...etc. It is industrialist like Cheney who takes on a political position and then impacts the EPA by revoking a clean water act. Or Pruitt changing the laws for some DDT's when he himself had a lawsuit against the EPA. Do you really think he is the best neutral candidate for the job?
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Jan 14, 2018 18:14:05   #
archie bunker wrote:
What wastes are 'we' incurring? And, who is 'we'?

And, why should the American public have to fork out more money to government to scare away the boogy man under your bed? How is that going to fix this approaching extinction of life on earth? Which, by the by, isn't happening at all.
You leftists seem to think the answer to everything is to take more, and more from everyone, and give it to government, so lawyers, politicians, and unelected bureaucrats can enrich themselves, and run our lives.
That's not what I want for my children, and grandchildren.
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Waste as in what is spewed into the air, dumped into the earth and flowed into the water. We keep these things clean by regulations, not collecting tax dollars. It is requiring the people who create the waste by producing their resource which we then buy and when we buy it, part of that revenue should go to cleaning up that waste that was also produced. Do you not think that's fair, the people who create the waste disperse of it...correctly.

Get over this entrenched conditioned thinking the left takes from us, it is wrong, so wrong.

As far as extinctions you've asked me this before and I answered you, what were some of the latest extinctions, and I mentioned three different breeds of Rhino's, check also into fisheries, birds, plants, the coral reefs. It is happening... but we don't go running into the night screaming, we simply sit down and say...these are the changes we need to make. That's what we're trying to do but all we get is no conversation and just denial. No changes are made and the industrialists just keep on keeping on, and things continue to get worse and more difficult to recover.
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Jan 14, 2018 14:14:28   #
emarine wrote:
The fact that Her opinion differs from others & she returns fire I find refreshing... if we all agree this would be a very boring site... I find everyone on here has something to offer if you think about it rather than just react... You & I just went rounds from one of your reply's to me...
I was respectful of you initial reply on green energy... you're reply's were off topic in the fact that I was only arguing LJ's list that the many company's squandered stimulus money when most of the company's were still alive & well... not the fact that some company's had in fact squandered the money... I think they did... you chose to disregard this several times... I clearly stated that I can & will get arrogant if you continue to miss the point... I think we all do... If I was insulting you I will apologize... the neo Nazis are MIA & I now have nowhere to refute/vent the hard selling of ignorance & hatred ...
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Thank you ~e for your support
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Jan 14, 2018 14:02:50   #
S. Maturin wrote:
Nice try.

FAIL.


Nope, right on.
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Jan 14, 2018 14:01:39   #
JFlorio wrote:
This response is exactly why you are nothing but a left wing lemming that try's to come across as an Independent thinker. What a joke.
Facts don't lie, but liars lie. The main hole dug was the housing mortgage bubble. I believe that's what you are talking about. You know the crash that incompetent fool Obama inherited. If you are half as intelligent as you believe, you would know that the bubble that caused the collapse started well before Bush. You can even google John McCain (of all people) warning Frank and Dodd about the coming crisis within Fannie and Freddie and their dismissive reactions. Obama doubled the debt trying to dig us out of the housing hole. His economy killing policies gave us the longest period of anemic growth since the Great Depression. All that printing of money and ridiculous stimulus did nothing but make the fat cats on Wall Street even richer. You know, the guys Obama told you lemmings to your face he was gonna jail once he came to power. Yea, right. The same people paying him to give speeches today.
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The word of the day for you following the same old extreme right wing mantra..." you lemming" blah blah blah it's old. I'm not getting into this far right sever slant on what happened it's a waste of my time, I've heard all the same BS. and you are nothing new my dear and if anything is a joke, it is you.
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Jan 14, 2018 13:52:45   #
archie bunker wrote:
So.......those corporate industrialists have FORCED you to use electricity, drive a car, fly on jets, buy goods hauled in fuel guzzling trucks?

Who will benefit the most from those ridiculous lawsuits? The lawyers, maybe?
How will theses lawsuits help the planet that is dieing under our very feet?
It's nothing but the politics of control, and a huge money grab.

You don't seem to show much ability to question these things, or faith that our offspring are smart enough that they will continue to embrace and develope new technologies in energy production, since it is their future they are dealing with.

Financially punishing groups of people you disagree with won't fix anything. But I guess it'll make you feel better, so run with it.
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You continue to have the argument that because we use electricity or fuel we shouldn't complain about the waste that we incur developing these resources and that they are entitled to have no regulations to rein in on these wastes. That it is more important that they receive their profits without consequence to what they do to the environment. They have postponed and avoided what needs to be done to make a difference for decades, making only minor changes.

We really can't afford to push this off to the next generation and isn't that exactly what's happened to us, weren't we the "up and coming generation", this issue has been around for generations.

Isn't this similar to the tobacco industry who kept refusing to admit to the known damages of smoking, denying what was occurring to people, they were the ones who kept pushing that? I don't see much difference here, the way to get these changes made is to push back and the only way to do that is in the wallet.
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Jan 14, 2018 11:53:57   #
S. Maturin wrote:
Whiny babies always need to call upon mummy/daddy, or big government to help them out of holes they dig for themselves.

Conservatives like to demonstrate self-sufficiency and part of that is learning how to properly express oneself while speaking and/or writing English.

Being willfully ignorant of even the basics and being arrogant enough to actually attempt to address others in a contemptuous manner, well, that's exactly the center of the new age liberal's 'culture'.




No, that would be you...

Are you talking about the conservative whiny babies that dug a huge hole our which our country, under Obama had to dig us out of? Just as in self-sufficiency of corporate industrialists who have dug us into rapid global warming from their lack of responsibility. Who are now about to be sued for their damages.
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Jan 14, 2018 11:18:23   #
JFlorio wrote:
God. You lemmings believe anything in print. Any poll. As long as it validates your opinion. I suppose you believe Fusion GPS is a legitimate news source.


My opinion has nothing to do with print or the media, but the lies heard on a live broadcast.You are the lemming believing a known liar. Don't you demand the same integrity out of your president as you would a close friend, or do you allow your friends to constantly lie to you?
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Jan 14, 2018 11:10:23   #
Super Dave wrote:
An elected Pol pander? No.....Never..

Ironic that you accuse Trump if pandering to his base by supporting the military and police while Dems pander to their base by supporting violent hate-groups and foreigners.


That would be your perspective, not mine but some truth in what you say, I suppose Americans were considered violent hate groups when fighting the injustices of the British and at one time or another...foreigners. Most also were unwelcomed by the settlers. Some things haven't changed, people who have been allowed in, wanting to then decide who is not.
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Jan 14, 2018 10:58:46   #
glibona wrote:
Wasn't Pres. Taft a little pudgy
(300 +)?... was said he got stuck in the whitehouse tub once...guess that could make ya a little crazy.. huh. lol


Yep, Taft was rather round, getting him out of the tub must of been fun for his "handlers". Slippery when wet...
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Jan 14, 2018 10:53:48   #
PoppaGringo wrote:
That is OK. We all misperceive at times.


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Jan 14, 2018 10:49:44   #
PeterS wrote:
Here, here...



Thank you Peter, the reasonably sane must stick together
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Jan 14, 2018 00:20:00   #
sgtcharlestreadwayusmcr wrote:
emarine:
First off, your statement. "Trump has prove(d) to be a loose cannon who doesn't know when to shut up."
Should read as: Trump has prove(n) to be a loose cannon who doesn't know when to shut up.

Second thing. Show me where it states in the, First Amendment, that, President Trump, must conform to your
idea of, Freedom of Speech.

I'm sure, President Trump, knows more about what's in, and why, about the Constitution than you do.

Just how much experence do you have, at being, President?
You're critisizing a person for doing a job, that you have NO experence at.
emarine: br First off, your statement. "Trump... (show quote)



I don't bother correcting one's grammatical errors because we all make them, it is petty and anal- retentive but in your case, I'll make an exception.

Trump has proved to be a loose cannon, is grammatically correct, Trump had proven to be a loose cannon is also correct, but you are being an anal critic. You've spelled the word experience incorrectly twice along with the word criticizing or criticizing but not critisizing.

As far as I can tell Trump had as much experience at being a president as emarine, except I believe emarine would be doing a much better job, he's not a lying lunatic.
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Jan 13, 2018 23:29:16   #
Happishark wrote:
A republic is a form of democracy.


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Jan 13, 2018 23:15:08   #
PoppaGringo wrote:
He is referring to himself.


Ok I misunderstood, him referring himself as also a genius threw me.
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