Mostly because;
1) Those who proclaim "War on drugs" are responsible for bringing them into the country.(Politicians)

2) Those who declare lying to be protected speech, are the ones who need it most.(Politicians)

3) Those who name their latest scam "Affordable" know very well only the rich can "afford" it.

4) Those who claim "We are here to serve" fail to complete the sentence ..."we are here to serve ourselves."
(Politicians)

5) Those who claim to protect the citizens, are the ones from whom we need the protection. (politicians)

6)Did I mention Politicians?

I think you misunderstand.

When God gave Israel laws, He gave two categories of law, Commission and Omission. The Israelite Nation accepted those laws as the basis of covenant with God. There are two words that have to do with understanding a covenant; Logos and reema. Logos is the concept that is developed, and reema is the written version of the concept.

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these [reema] words: for after the tenor of these [logos] I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel." [Exo 34:7]

When Israel accepted Covenant, they swore fealty to Elohiym and obedience to the law of the covenant. God is saying (my paraphrase); "I never considered that you would sink this low, to violate what you swore to obey."

The depth of their evil was not a consideration of Covenant.
God expected better of them.

This difference in expectation and resultant behavior is also shown in the discourse between God and Moses in the wilderness prior to Israel's acceptance of Covenant, when Moses was on the Mount receiving the law; For forty days and nights, God told Moses, "Get out of the way, I am going to destroy those people YOU brought out of Egypt." Moses responded "If you destroy the people YOU brought out of Egypt, the Egyptians will say "You were strong enough to take them, but not strong enough to keep them."

God accepted Moses' intervention and allowed the people to continue their Exodus adventure, but eliminated the generation that had so badly misconstrued reality, and the children of that generation were the ones who entered the promised land, all of the generation that left Egypt were destroyed on the forty year journey, except Joshua and Caleb, because those two had remained faithful to their God.

It is much like when we address issues of behavior with our own children, telling them why some things are not to be done; it never enters our mind that they will do them anyway, especially after saying they understand and will refrain from such.

If any problem remains in this issue, I will try to make it plain.

While I think I recognize generalities in your remarks, to make a point, I feel I must respond, yet hesitate because I do not want to take away anything from your post. I agree with the spirit of what you have said.

However, I also feel compelled to respond because some readers may not know where your post states things that can be misconstrued, through ignorance. So I will try to address a couple of issues I see - I don't think "Sin is misunderstood" in this nation; I think it is "embraced."

Too many people take umbrage when some overzealous person gets in their face for things better off left to religious surroundings. In other words, the church does NOT have the right to try to compel non-churched individuals to live by church contrived standards.

Jesus was well aware that some churches would attempt to control those who are not interested in salvation or anything that would tend to curtail their sinfilled lives with anything resembling righteousness.

Paul said - "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?"(I Cor 5:9-12)

Paul reminds us we are limited in scope, to correcting the behavior of the Christians, not the world around us.



That is the question. If I am a drunkard, spending food money for my habit, and my children go hungry, forced to steal to provide food, have I hurt them by my careless disregard, or are they just criminals looking for a place to happen? Of course my sin hurts others; every time others are forced to vary their natural course, to accommodate my habit, I am hurting them. Every time the observe my careless disregard for my own soul, they learn to question God. I am hurting them.



Sin is an attack upon the Universe, because sin carries universal consequences. "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;"(Gen 3:17)

"[color-blue]Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. 2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.[color] 3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. 4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.(Isa 24:1-6)

And men continue in their evil and in their ignorance because sin "feels so good" it blinds their eyes of their hearts. "Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;"(II Pet 2:14-15)



God says if there is sin in the congregation, put the sinner out of the church; If there are more sinners than righteous,
"get you out from among them and be ye separate" - in other words, we have a responsibility to discriminate, not capitulate.

Every time someone, especially in the name of religion or religious practice, cries "NO DESCRIMINATION" they are directly opposed to what God says we are to do, and continue to watch to be vigilant to do. "DESCRIMINATE!"

To fail to DISCRIMINATE is to fail to "watch lest ye also sin." "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware[/color [color=blue]lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness."(II Pet 3:17)



"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault[/color, [color=red]ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
"(Gal 6:10)

We are to look out for each other, not commanding and demanding, but in a spirit of humility, lest we make a problem worse by our attitude.



Drunkenness is! And that comes from drinking beyond one's ability to discern probability of over indulgence.



I think over all, you have presented much to consider. We must learn the proper meaning of "Discrimination" or we wind up thinking more highly of "self" than is proper, and begin to judge another who, while sinning, may be more righteous than I who points out his sin.

Thank you for making me think.

I never "want to weep." That comes from too strong an emotional response whether of good or of bad.

Isaiah 5 speaks of a bad thing for Israel, but Jeremiah speaks of TERRIBLE things happening TO Israel because of the terrible things they did to themselves. Much like what Americans are doing to this Nation and calling it "MY Constitutional right," which it never was and never will be.

Jeremiah 19:4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place
with the blood of innocents;5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my
mind:

Jeremiah 32:32 Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah,
and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. 34 But they set their
abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it. 35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech;
which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

God never commanded women to Abort their babies as a means of Birth Control. And He never told men to cling to one another as with a woman.

Direct result of Supreme Court interfering with truth and making their own laws, ("Legislating" is not their purview) when they declared "Free speech" to mean any and all kinds of "expression." Even flag-burning was called
"Speech" by those idiots. Then they included desecrating the flag in any way, which used to get one arrested and incarcerated. No longer.



That began after the Supreme Court began to call "lying" protected speech. There is no such provision in the Constitution. Nothing about "Protected speech." It is a category completely legislated by non-legislators. And it protects lying politicians, lying policemen, lying news reporters, everyone except those lying TO the cops, reporters, or politicians.



I remember when he made that speech; it was a very moving instant out of an era.



Well why not? Since the Liberals in charge promise them anything to get them in so they can make voters out of them.

The way to eliminate the problem is to pass a law making it impossible for any illegal alien ever to become a voting citizen, whether they become military veterans or politicians, or doctors, or whatever; if they are illegal entrants, they can NEVER vote in this country. THAT will also eliminate the invitation made by politicians of both parties.



They are not "unaware;" they take bribes. They think their newly developed sources of riches will protect them when the trap is sprung.

"SURPRISE!" "SURPRISE!" "SURPRISE!"



Won't they be surprised when they learn there is a third option - "Submit or die; or KILL!" I think I will exercise the third option and defend this God blessed Nation with my life.

Why? It makes conversation. Why keep it to yourself? Whoever responds will either correct something, or make it worse, or give good advise about how to handle it. There may be another option, but I can't think of one offhand.

Please don't close down. Rather, be smart and think about what you read and comment if you disagree, comment if you do agree. Comment is what the board thrives upon.

You are an equal part of the board.

Not enough information for me to decide...for example, how was the issue worded and was it consistent for each group, if separate? I find a lot of instances in which the politician will word a matter in a misleading format, so as to lead the recipient to a desired conclusion. Don't have any examples to hand, but maybe you can remember some of what I am suggesting.

I think if one is going to ask the question, it should first be explained with consequences of each response being generated for discussion.

What say you?

Not always. All Adam had to do was "keep the garden" and he had the freedom to eat anything he wanted to, with only one exception. Not politics. Theology.

I weep when I see others fall to the judgment of God, because it reminds me of my own frailties.

WoW! So you see "contempt" in ?

Please point out which word(s) you perceive as projecting contempt, and I will attempt to correct the record.

Have you read this post?



I think you have not assessed the whole person, but assessed me based upon one post.

If I remember correctly, Unions first appeared in an effort to limit children's work days to 12 hours, in Canada. They (the children) were later limited to a six-day week. They (the unions) helped a lot of people, until they (the unions) became political in nature.

The problem I am having with that bogus standard
"Politically Correct" is, who decides what the standard is? Who gets to decide at what level something is "Correct" or "Incorrect? and by what criteria? As it is, the only criteria seems to be "I am a politician; If it is true, or makes me mad" is must be politically incorrect."



I know this will make you upset, but I am in agreement with that statement - The business of government is exactly that which appears in the preamble to our Constitution: “to... promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” - sorry 'bout that, but right is right.



Explain then, why it is the liberals that are destroying the next generation with Abortions, and making Homosexuality the third gender in a gender war. It is the Liberal who destroys the young, not the conservative.



Where are you getting this from? Guesswork?



What are you talking about? Have you read the biography of Booker T. Washington? He was born a slave, taught Himself to read, learned from self-driven education, became founder of Tuskegee University. "Brilliance" not only is not reserved for the spoiled offspring of the rich, it seldom reaches such low levels.



Then why did Hillary and Bernie both claim that an "unborn person" is not protected by the constitution" in recent campaign speeches? Or are you saying they believe every fetus has an equal right to be destroyed?



So in your hallucination, Bernie Sanders is a Conservative? Hillary Clinton is not liberal? Obama has NOT tried to share the wealth of the rich with the poor? Where you been?



Propaganda does not look well from the pen of a liberal. Explain why poor blacks are not "equally" qualified for consideration.



Why? Why do you think the young should not pay for their own advantages? "Society" owes them all equal opportunity to strive for greatness, but not "give them greatness paid for by others."



Even scripture tells us "The poor you always have with you." We are encouraged to "Feed the poor" - not "Spoil the poor with everything you have."



Do you have any concept of just how damned stupid that remark sounds?



See prior response. And True Creationists are not at war with science. They recognize that whatever science can discover and duplicate, it is because God created it.



Progressivism is a crime against truth. It is the total incompetency of Progressivism that has nearly destroyed this nation, and has in fact destroyed the next generation who will not be fit for anything except playing on the latest technical devices.



The human race progressed because GOD gave us the instinct for community: the solidarity of the clan, the tribe, and the nation that other primates could not attain. We became civilized because GOD guided us to take care of each other through fire and flood. Progressives want to destroy that solidarity.



Do you read your own babble? How do you tax labor without touching their capital?



You mean like Obama has done?



So you think you can correct the record by typing
"Conservative" everywhere "Progressive" belongs?

It occurs to me, the Liberals have concocted a plan by which they will send Liberal people to join the Conservative party, to infiltrate and modify our every effort to bring some kind of sanity to the madness.

The House speakers of the Republican party have not been "conservative" for some time now, and it seems like it is running toward Liberalism at a faster pace.

Then they gave "O" the blank check of unlimited debt ceiling, they threw away the main leverage over which they had control.

Instead of posting questions for Liberals, by which they are to be judged, why not question our own party? They certainly have as much to answer to as those who wear the label "Liberal."

The conservatives have not fixed the "politics" of Washington, but rather have joined in its mischief making processes.

The Conservatives have not "closed the border" nor "fixed the infiltration" problem of invaders crossing at will. And the Conservatives have never fixed the Social Security boondoggle of Congress "borrowing (stealing)" the money left in its "trust." Congress has NO RIGHT to take money we have invested in our future retirement, and spend it on social issues for which it is not intended.

The Conservatives have not encased their own selves within the confines of "Truth," nor are they bothered much by being caught in lies and thefts.

And they have done nothing to stop the rise in Homosexuality, and Abortion, beyond the rhetoric.

The only reason I stay with the conservative crowd is, it is not yet as bad as the other party, the liberals. It seem to be just a matter of time.

That's what happens when the churches allow Homosexuals to serve as preachers and church leaders. Morality will always be the first thing to degrade.



Can't be done. Man cannot "worship" God and ignore His will. It becomes "Either worship[, OR ignore;" not both.

[quote=fredlott63] God’s will is written in the 7th chapter of Zechariah, in the 9th and 10th verses. I will cover each act one by one.[/quote]

God's will begins with "Be still and know I am God."



There is more to fairness than simply rhetorisizing it. You are right on the mark.



I consider that to be overly generalizing unfairly - there are many African-Americans who are morally and exceptionally good examples for anyone to follow.



So would America.



Again, too much generalization applied inappropriately to an issue that has many causes. And assessing the unknown with platitudiness that does nothing to solve the problem.



Taking advantage of persons who DO know better is also wrong. It is "Taking advantage" that is the error, not the knowledge level of the disadvantaged.



I like that! It is the dirtiest and the rightest.