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Apr 4, 2015 22:26:00   #
Alicia wrote:
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Are you saying that the BSA no longer has a 3-deep leadership ruling. If not, why not?

I don't think a child enters the BSA with fear of being preyed upon unless he learned that "fear" from his parents. If you hold such a fear, keep your child out of the BSA. Easy as that! :!: :!:


Let me try this again, I have been a scout leader for 20 years, and no I have never had that fear, but the scouts have always, and should always be vilagent in reducing opportunities for pedophiles from praying on children.

It's not any different than trying to keep your kids away from drugs or having sex. You can't stop it entirely, all you can do is reduce as much as possible the opportunities for them or pedophiles from doing harm.

The boy scouts have a 2 deep leadership rule, the troop I have been involved with for many years has a 3 deep rule. We understand that accidents and emergencies happen. And with just a 2 deep rule, that could possibly leave children in a situation where there could only be a single leader.

All leaders, and growing ever more prodominent for all parents of scouts is a child safety class. In it you learn how to ensure to the best of our ability to protect kids.

There are also very strict rules on how to handle an incident should one occur. We do not try and cover it and sweep it under the rug like certain other types of people in positions of authority.

Unfortunately as hard as you try it still happens, and that is why safety cannot be compromised in an effort to be politically correct.
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Apr 4, 2015 20:30:30   #
bmac32 wrote:
Sadly the government won't let it be.


This whole conversation is ridiculous, there is nothing in the BSA educational development program that is directed toward sex or sex Ed.

As for NP, the Boy Scouts could use more good female leaders. I have known hundreds of amazing female outdoor enthusiasts.

The Boy Scouts must stand their ground from a child safety perspective, they have enough black eyes and bloodied noses from sexual predation incidents.

They must have an in your face child safety is number 1, number 2 and number 3 stance of no if's no an's no butts and the homo Nazi's will just have to deal with it.
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Apr 4, 2015 14:44:40   #
no propaganda please wrote:
I know that what I am about to say will get me a lot of Private Message hate mail and possibly a couple of serious threats. Last time I posted something along this line o OPP I actually got a couple of threats from "people" who said that they would burn down my house if they found out who I was. On a previous site I got three that said they knew who I was and would poison our service dogs the next time we showed up at an obedience trial with them. I left that site immediately and for a while went to different obedience events in different areas that we usually do. But I have had it with this nonsense. We need to speak out.
The Gay Rights Platform established in 1972 in CHICAGO ILLINOIS actually stated that one of their goals was to remove any age of consent laws in any state, as well as repeal any state laws prohibiting cross dressing and transvestism. Included in the platform was a goal of repealing any provisions that restrict the sex of the persons, or the number of persons who could enter into a marriage unit, and demanding the extension of all legal benefits for all those in such a marriage,
Published in the Advocate the top gay magazine in 1987 was a "Warning to the Homophobes" that they intended to destroy all religious and cultural norms by laws and threats. So from the beginning the process that has led this far was the goal of the LGBTQ movement.Most of the original activists that are so well regarded were self professed pederasts, including Harvey Milk and Henry Hay, and Kevin Jennings. Getting young men, who appeared trust worthy to be counselors in Boy Scouts will certainly make pederasty more common, because this young adult is close enough to the same age as the kids that pressure and power trips, plus the ability to use beer and pot to entice the 13 year olds to engage in sex with the 18 year old "counselor". In addition to that of course is the fact that the "counselor" can easily convince those boys who are away from home perhaps for the first time, that trying same sex activities in not immoral and could be fun. Indoctrination would be automatically part of the "counselors' job" If I had boys in scouting I would get them out of it right away and find some other group that holds the moral ideals that scouting once had but has given up by force to the LGBTQ crowd.
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It's amazing at how intolerant liberals are of other people's believes, anyone threatening you for voicing your opinion should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I don't know how many of you have been either a scout or a scout leader but I am a 4th generation scout master.

Pediphiles seldom look or act any differently than anyone else. They place themselves in positions of power and authority over children. They use these positions to feed their disgusting desires.

The scouts have been extremely open about their acceptance if "ALL" boys. But child safety must "ALWAYS" take precedence over everything else no matter what.

The troup I was associated with for years had a 3 deep leadership rule that we never broke. What this means is that we never did any activity of any kind without atleast 3 trained leaders present. This made sure that even if there was an emergency and a leader needed to leave for any reason there would never be less than 2 leaders to ensure safety.

No child should be placed in a position of having to fear being the victim of a sexual predator.
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Apr 3, 2015 12:18:05   #
Ricko wrote:
Artemis-how long will it take you to catch on to Obama's deceit. This agreement paves the way for Iran to get the bomb. Obama suggests that the only alternative is war. That is just not true. The best alternative is to re-freeze the Iranian assets held here and impose the harshest sanctions possible and keep them on until Iran cries Uncle. If you give the American people two choices (bad agreement or war) they will opt for the agreement. However, if you include harsh sanctions I would surmise that most would opt for that in lieu of a bad agreement. As a prelude to these talks the Obama administration eased up on the sanctions and allowed Iran access to millions, if not billions, in here-to-for frozen assets held in America. That blunder allowed Iran to negotiate from a stronger position than it would have had if Sanctions had been either left in place or increased. This is an administration loaded with people who may have academic education but who totally lack in practical experience. I do not think this agreement, as outlined, will pass the smell test. Good Luck America !!!
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Did HHR even read what he cut & pasted?

It is clear the objective wasn't to ensure that Iran never gets the bomb, only to extend the amount of time it is going to take them.

If you were an Iranian leader and just spent 10 years and billions of dollars to build the bomb why on earth would you stop now. They have been doing nothing but buying time with the western powers keeping us pacified long enough to win their objective.

This is not diplomacy its capitulation.

This in tern has now forced the other gulf states along with Egypt to create a new joint military capacity to counter Iranian aggression.

This is called an arms race.

Nothing and I mean nothing good is going to come from this agreement.
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Mar 27, 2015 15:10:58   #
boatbob2 wrote:
UH-huh,Definately a case of where theres smoke,theres fire,one or even two of these corpses,we could chalk up to normal,,time ran out,,,this many??? suggests otherwise.....old billy boy himself said that Hilary ate more P___Y that he did....


Can we add George Soros to the Clintons list of fiends?
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Mar 27, 2015 13:14:44   #
Douglas Graham wrote:
Hail to the chief..
Ted Cruz
At last someone who puts principles before popularity. If he pisses off the RINO's and the left, he's doing it just right!
No gain can come without some pain, time we all just grin and bear it!


And obama was so shallow he refused to send any high ranking governmental official to her funeral. He is going to rot in an Islamic hell for being such a pig.
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Mar 27, 2015 12:06:27   #
Liberty's Advocate wrote:
Probably for the same reason they list ANY AND ALL principled Conservatives as well as influential Christian leaders as "Radicals". "Conservative" thought to the SPLC is best represented by Saul Alinski, Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin as their status quo. To the SPLC, modern Conservatism is RADICAL Liberal thinking. It is so convoluted I can barely wrap my mind around it.


I looked it up, they did actually put him on a radical watch list, almost exclusively because of his christian faith and his beleive that the definiton of marriage is one man and one woman.

They did however eventually though very grudgingly retract it.

I fear we will one day wake up and no longer recognize our country that the deciples of socialism have fundamentally transformed america from the greatest nation on earth to one of shared misery.

I think Ben is more of an Old Testament prophet than a politician. Who will be thrown into the lions den by his own people because they fear him more than his adversaries do.
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Mar 27, 2015 11:33:18   #
robmull wrote:
No doubt, np, that Dr. Ben Carson is the liberal progressive communists worst fear. The "race card" was the latest and most innovative of the liberal progressive communist strategies to overthrow free-market Western civilization and [they] are having a REALLY hard time "pulling" that "card" on a REAL African American; although, quite unexpectedly, [they] have in the past. Hummmmmm. What does THAT say about the Alinsky "movement," and [their] daily morning talking-points???
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How many politicians do you know who turn the spot light on their weaknesses and openly address them with the media?

It's funny yesterday KHH1 called Ben an idiot and I politely asked him to explain. He choose to graciously bow out and retract his inflamitory remark.

You really have to work at it to not like Carson.
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Mar 27, 2015 10:54:12   #
KHH1 wrote:
WASHINGTON — Senator Ted Cruz is a decided underdog for the Republican presidential nomination, but he understands where his opening lies. And this, in turn, tells us a lot about the shape of the contest and the fight the GOP is about to have.

It is no accident that Cruz began his campaign at Liberty University — founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell — by asking evangelical conservatives to consolidate their support behind him. The most important sentence in his speech was this one: “Today, roughly half of born-again Christians aren’t voting,” Cruz said. “They’re staying home. Imagine instead millions of people of faith all across America coming out to the polls and voting our values.”

Although Cruz has always been a religious conservative, he is much better known for his crusade against Obamacare and his willingness to shut down the federal government. His evangelical turn is his first play to create a base on the right end of the party to challenge Wisconsin governor Scott Walker as the main alternative to Jeb Bush.

The Cruz strategy starts with marginalizing former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson, the physician and best-selling author who has developed a significant following on the right. Huckabee and Carson are also in the running for evangelical votes. If Cruz pushes them aside, he can then go after Walker and, after that, Bush.

Perhaps all this is fanciful, but Cruz knows what he’s doing.

So far, Walker’s emergence is the key development in the Republican race. “Walker has made a decision to run at Bush from the right and he’s trying to consolidate the very conservative vote,” says Henry Olsen, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and a shrewd conservative voting analyst. “The pop for Walker in the polls shows the deep desire of very conservative voters in the Republican Party to find an alternative to Bush.”

The numbers tell the story. A McClatchy-Marist poll released earlier this month showed Bush and Walker at the front of the Republican pack. Among Republicans and independents who lean Republican, Bush had 19 percent, Walker had 18 percent.

But their constituencies are very different. Among moderates, Bush, the former Florida governor, led Walker 26 percent to 15 percent; conservatives gave Walker 20 percent to 18 percent for Bush. Among those who called themselves very conservative, on the other hand, Walker walloped Bush, 24 percent to 7 percent.

Walker’s main competitors for the “very conservative” vote were Huckabee and Carson at 19 percent each. Overall, Huckabee got 10 percent and Carson 9 percent. Add those constituencies up and you have a number that competes with both Walker and Bush.

Cruz may now be at only 4 percent nationwide in the McClatchy-Marist survey, but he can build a base by grabbing those who currently support Huckabee and Carson. And Cruz’s talk about “liberty” and the Constitution could help him shake loose some votes from Sen. Rand Paul.

Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster who advises Senator Marco Rubio, has a rule about his party’s nomination contests: “No one faction is large enough to nominate its favorite candidate,” he says. “Whoever is nominated will be rooted in one of the factions, but will be acceptable to a number of the factions.”

Bush’s base is some combination of the remaining moderates in the GOP and the less zealous conservatives who often go under the name “Establishment.” Bush’s first priority will be to eliminate all competition on that side of the party. This means it’s important to him that New Jersey governor Chris Christie’s potential candidacy never gets off the ground and that Rubio not threaten him among more moderate voters. Bush then needs to be competitive enough with more conservative sections of the party, though he could luck out — as John McCain and Mitt Romney did — and get to watch as his more conservative rivals claw at each other and split up the vote at the right end of the GOP.

Cruz’s entry is thus very good news for Bush. He has as much interest in taking Walker down as Bush does, and the more right-of-center candidates there are on the ballot come next year, the better Bush’s chances will be.

Therefore, don’t believe anyone who says that little of what happens this year matters to an election that seems so far away. Cruz has just turned the battle for the political souls of religious conservatives into the first bloody crossroads of the GOP’s struggle. And Scott Walker needs to watch his back.

E.J. Dionne’s email address is ejdionne@washpost.com. Twitter: @EJDionne.
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I find it rather interesting at your choices of articles to post. I think conservatives are finally figuring it out, that you can't win the White House if you don't excite your base enough to get off your couch and go vote.

But the article is interesting in the fact that it suggests they all fear Walker.
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Mar 26, 2015 18:47:09   #
KHH1 wrote:
and for the fact we hit the ground running...there was never no excuse for not understanding your grade level...because you started ahead of it and were to figure out how to STAY ahead of it....from grades 1-12


It disturbs me, that our government and our schools feel that we must lower standards of acceptable achievement for students of color. I fully understand and appreciate the need for children to build on positive outcomes as they mature through the different stages of learning development. But, to assume someone can't do something as well as someone simply because of the color of their skin is racist and insulting.

But we both know that black and hispanic children have a educatonal gap when compared to white and asian kids.

We have identified that basic needs must be met before anything else and that parental involvement is a key component to success.

Are these basic needs and components missing in these 2 racial demographics? What other varibles are there that may be contributing to the lower academic success of these 2 groups.

Is it even possible to do a study where enough varibles can be accounted for or taken out of the equation to actually get any real unscewed results?
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Mar 26, 2015 18:24:26   #
KHH1 wrote:
People never insult me...they attempt to......communication states how the receiver, not the transmitter determines the dynamic...


all races of children in American schools are behind, not just black kids...racist publications such as the Bell Curve tried to format that school of thought in academic form but researches chopped that to pieces and uncovered the inherent flaws in everything from the research hypothesis to overall design of the study and statistics used...that book followed the old"they have a different brain" idiocy from centuries beforehand....

There is standard research on what hampers kids, from schools to nutrition....you can look that up.


My parents developed 5 scholars by starting during our developmental (1-7) years. We were around them exclusively...with no baby sitters, childcare, relatives kindergarten or nothing. My dad started us with a rigorous program that was advanced for our ages...we were doing timetables up to 12X 12 before first grade and writing in cursive...one of my older brothers could do basic algebra by the second grade....my dad understood what I try to tell women about their children at work, black, white and otherwise...you first teach a kid, comprehension, retention and then articulation.....once they understand that...what is put in front of them does not matter...because they understood the approach to getting it. My dad explained the civil rights movement and what was going on when I was around 6 years old......I always read a whole lot to develop a vocabulary...my dad was not big on stupid shit like cartoons...even though we watched them like normal kids. There was also intelligent TV included....like the news...at a young age...christmas presents were toys....but there were things like microscopes, chemistry sets and books....my older brother was in the "How and WHy Science Club...received monthly publications, which were handed down...i had the luxury of always reading and doing schoolwork for older kids since I was the youngest...my next oldest brother was three grades above me so i always took a crack at his homework.

When you turned 13, there was the standard lecture about not being a kid but a young adult...TV became serious and you had to watch things like Meet The Press and Face the Nation...in the summers, we had to read and memorize the front page of the Houston Chronicle (no sports or comics). When my dad came home, before you could go out and play...he was supposed to be able to randomly read a headline and you were supposed to stand there and summarize the article associated with it......i remember to this day making him laugh talking about Chief Justice Warren "Hamburger"...we screwed up one spring and for the whole summer had to memorize the Constitution section by section and recite it when he came home....to this day, my spring grades would be better than fall ones...haha...the longest summer of my damn life.....we also received two books when we turned thirteen. The occupational handbook and the US handbook of colleges and universities....we got the standard speech where we had 5 years before we turned 18, so read both books, figure out what you want to be and where you want to go study it.....also...you were leaving the house unless you went to school because he did not need rent from us and could pay his own bills...my dad also picked our classes...not much fun shit...and no counselors...they had lowered expectations for black kids no matter how good their grades were...my dad understood that........he let me drop everything in the 11th and 12th grade (marching symphonic and jazz band, all PE, history, art) to take nothing but radio/TV repair-in case i did not go to college...and AP Math-in case I did.....it all went well....got scholarships, accepted to many colleges and felt like a man when I wrote my dad a letter stating I did not need financial help and wanted to be a grown man and do this on my own...graduated from engineering school at 22...took a job in a defense R&D facility...started grad school at 23...started the doctorate thing at 30...became a professor at 33...and it is all history from there.....that is my story and the thing that was the most critical...was parental oversight and involvement from Day 1..my parents understood what got us beyond slavery and jim crow...from the big house to the white house.....education and lots of it...
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I applaud your well thought out responce thank you.

Sorry I am picking up my 3 year old grand daughter from daycare. We've had custody of her since she was 6 months old.

I will respond in kind later when I have more time, but you and I are on the same page it is direct daily parental involvement that makes the biggest differnce after basic needs have been met.
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Mar 26, 2015 15:21:00   #
KHH1 wrote:
I'm doing a whole lot...just be sure that you are also and everyone will be fine.......and yes my color mattered....i had alot of artificial barriers placed in my way but I am stubborn and determined...but that still does not make it right and I will not be in denial about them just because I succeeded


I stopped insulting you and only wish to have a sincere conversation.

What do you feel is the number one thing that prevents african American children from succeeding in today's society?

What specific barriers are you referring too?

What was different about your situation that enabled you to achieve success where other's may have failed?
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Mar 26, 2015 14:43:22   #
KHH1 wrote:
I don't know what makes you think/assume I was ever a charity case or wanted a handout to make such a statement. Not all blacks have hardship stories IF you think that. I grew up fairly well off (considered upper middle class in that timeframe) and the scholarships I am referring to are/were competition based...there were kids whose parents were both lawyers and doctors and judges vying for the same scholarships...there was prestige (in addition to money) associated with being deemed a Foundation Scholar and all that jazz...awards, school recognition because it made the high school look good and congrats in the Houston Chronicle and local newspapers also…..matter of fact colleges really sent acceptance letters when you wrote THAT on your application-my own form of AA, which I have several…I never needed charity or assistance but if I did I would not be ashamed the way the right tries to make people feel about themselves.....i have never needed to look down on the less fortunate to feel better about myself. If I had to base my sense of self- adequacy on someone else or relative to them, it would be on the basis of being right there competitive with those who had waay more than me...the rich kids who went to exclusive, private K-12 schools….we all had the same GPA’s. My parents put me right on par with them....with just my upbringing...i have never had a tutor or study group in my life....I always purchased study aids such as Schaum's Outlines in various college-level subjects...and studied them my damn self....because looking down on someone less fortunate is a false premise where one needs someone else to be in an unfortunate situation. That means with all being equal or against someone with greater resources then theirs, they may not be able to compete….so goes life sometimes….and as a black person, I so not use the term slavery in casual conversations…because there is no comparison based on the brutal, cruel and inhumane way it was implemented here in Amerikkka (the spelling for that mindset then)……….
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I congradulate you on all of your success in life. Now how do we instill those same values into our children, families and society?

Does someone like Ben Carson advocate the same mindset you were instilled with by your family members that helped you achieve your goals?

The government can help you survive, it can't make you successful only you can do that.

The question now is what are you personally doing to help other people achieve their goals.

and honestly I didn't assume you were any particular color. Did it really matter what color you were in achieving the successes you have had, or was it your own hard work and investment you made in yourself that mattered.

That is what we must teach all of our children my friend.
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Mar 26, 2015 12:45:57   #
KHH1 wrote:
Save the insults..there are private foundations such as Moody and others....and I may not be "bright" (whatever that means since I do not use hue to define good or bad)...but I did graduate 3 times with it only costing me some the third time...you people are negative even when people try to offer helpful advice...and this is an example of what I was telling those who want to give me their bullshit lectures about what I say but never address others..but i'm kool...going to remain positive because i could have not given a shit less about you, your kids and the way they pay for college....keep that in mind.....but i'll keep my advice to my gotdamn self and do you a favor...kool?
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Again I'm happy for you and your family. Here's the real difference between us, I honestly don't need the governments money or want it. It makes me nothing more than a slave, just like Ben Carson has been trying to tell all of us about Obamacare.
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Mar 26, 2015 12:32:47   #
KHH1 wrote:
never mind..i take it back...trying to engage less on the negative tip........


I don't know about you, but as fun as it is at times to attack those that I feel may be a bit misplaced in their views I really do prefer rational well thought out discussions on opposing points of view.

I know there are those on here who think he is more of a crazy Uncle Tom than a real presidential contender. I'm curious to know why some people feel that way. I personally have some of the same reservations about him as I did about Obama, like international relations. But I don't see that as why someone would presume that makes him an idiot just not as experienced as I think we would all like our president to be.
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