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Oct 11, 2013 19:54:44   #
faithistheword wrote:
You can have Christie--we aren't going to fall for THAT one! We've got Mike Lee ready, and we hope he's willing!


Mike Lee!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: seriously! There aren't that many crazy old people! President of the loony bin perhaps! oh never mind, yea make him your candidate, great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oct 11, 2013 19:23:45   #
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
No, Never got that out of Yates or Coolidge. Actually, they warned against it. Thank you taking the time to Google and see what Robert Yates is about (or did you know about him previously?).


The point is that while Yates warned about federalism and Coolidge, aka Silent Cal, liked small government, and you can likewise advocate either or both positions, that ship has sailed and neither one I'd hope, you seem to know better, would have advocated insurrection or takeover by the "chosen (by themselves) few".
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Oct 11, 2013 17:45:59   #
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
KVDON,

There are numerous documents left to us by the framers while they worked through the issues developing constitution. I enjoy reading the historical texts that detail how the issues were raised & addressed. To call me a "Chosen One" may have been an attempt at a dig. But I like it, I have Chosen to read for myself.

The original intent was not a democracy, but a Republic. This was hotly debated and there is a wealth of documentation on this point. Unfortunately the 17th amendment had a dramatic effect on the Republic and moved to mob rule you describe.

Have you ever read any of the works by Robert Yates?
He's a good read, I also like reading Calvin Coolidge (I know he wasn't a framer, but he presents good views on the subject.
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A real Chosen one in our system is chosen by others democratically, that you have chosen to read is laudable, that you dislike Federalism and like Yates and Coolidge is your right, but did either of them believe this country should be governed by a self selected Chosen ones? and the other un-chosen rabble were just to be ruled?
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Oct 11, 2013 17:11:30   #
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
KVDON,
There are two types of bills Authorization & Appropriations. Both are the responsibility of congress.
It is not holding a hostage to deny appropriations to an authorization.

Our system was set by the framers so that Gov't intentionally moves slow. This was by design. Unfortunately the 17th Amendment removed Senator's accountability to their state's, and begun this spiral of acting quickly.

So in the development of the PPACA we were repeatedly told this happen to happen right away (nobody asked why for such a rush). This bill had to pass, no reading of it on the floor, in fact we were told by the speaker of the house "we had to pass it to find out what in it".

Why such a rush? Why did Senate feel they had to go through Reconciliation as apposed to conference committee?

What the Republicans are doing is 100% legal and constitutional as it is a part of the design of the system.
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Since you are so knowledgeable why is the demand to "defund" the ACA in return for allowing the overall government to be funded? Was funding pre-authorized as part of the authorization? Was this part of the design of our democratic system of government, for a minority who couldn't repeal this law to hold the government hostage as part of the overall government funding? Did other shutdowns demand an effective repeal of a law? again when this couldn't be done through the prescribed democratic process.
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Oct 11, 2013 16:34:53   #
Homestead wrote:
Get a clue!

American Economic Collapse, martial law and the coming fall of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUJ-r4b0n9A


get a clue, this stuff is nonsense for people who believe such drivel, to be manipulated to support people who couldn't care less about them.
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Oct 11, 2013 16:21:29   #
Billhuggins wrote:
I like the shutdown even if my SS check doesn't get on my card. Repubs have to fight the Demos with an AR 15 if necessary. A Bushwhacker!!!! :lol: No time for RINOs. The Tea is at work. Rah, rah, rah. You go Cruz. I am with you all the way baby.


I think your tea may be laced with something else. If you think Cruz cares about you or anything other than his ego guess again. Talking AR15's and Bushwhackers just shows the crazy man and diminishes any slight chance someone would take you seriosly...good luck against tanks if there really was the Socialist cabal taking over the US that you fantasize about.
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Oct 11, 2013 16:15:31   #
claytonln wrote:
To be very honest it saddens me greatly when I read Americans bashing Americans. You might be a democrat and someone else a republican, but we are all Americans. I don't agree with socialism and I don't think that any other American will either when it is fully implemented. As for democracy, I like Liberty. Democracy is nothing more than mob rule. Once the social programs kick in and the people buy into it there will no longer be anything like the framers of this country had envisioned.

When I talk to friends and other people they all complain about the same things. To many people on the dole and it is bankrupting the country. Only 15% of the population was without health insurance and I would say that those are probably homeless and jobless. So how are they going to get insurance? they still have to have a job.

The media, they tell you what they want you to hear. what ever their saying is benefiting one group or another. Anyone who believes what the media is saying on either side is buying in to a lot of propaganda.I hear about Fox News being right wing. Have you ever heard of Radio Free Europe? look it up you might find a comparison.

I would suggest you read about the ideologies of Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, Lenin. You might see what is happening. This isn't just beginning, it has been a long time plan and it is working just like they planned.

I can only hope that people pull their heads out of the sand and open their eyes before it is too late, but I am not too sure that it isn't already. The American public has been duped for years, back up take a deep breath and read what the framers of this country had to say, then Think.
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Democracy is nothing more than mob rule? with too many of the mob on the dole to know any better? We are on the clear path to Socialism? Only you and presumably the other responders who want to move right to their AR15's, seem to know what the framers really wanted and are the only opinions among us rabble that count!.

only 15% shiftless folks without insurance, never mind young people up to 26 never mind people with pre-existing conditions...I think your head in the sand worry is very much closer to home (or glued to right wing crazy sites)than you think, its you and your friends who all agree and think that!

You write well and you are more than welcome to hate socialism, even if thinking that US democrats come anywhere near being socialists is pretty laughable, Europeans who have real socialists would laugh at that for sure. But when you and the others hold yourself as the chosen ones who know what the framers wanted - it seems they liked democracy with all its warts and went to some pretty great lengths to balance powers and prevent a minority, no matter how righteous they think they are, from taking over because the others are dismissed as mob rule - its more offensive than anything else in the posts made on this subject.
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Oct 11, 2013 11:26:26   #
When you all talk about the real reason the democrats want a shutdown and pat each other on the back, seriously!!!! If the distraction from faux scandals etc. bothers you can only legitimately blame the Republicans.

When someone effectively trashes the democratic process of budget agreement, which by the way should have taken place six months ago, why didn't it, because republicans subverted it, and tries to legislate, repeal a law, and someone else says sorry but NO, it's purely delusional to blame the repudiator of the non democratic action by people who supposedly love democracy for the shutdown.

So if the shutdown seems to bother you, in between saying it doesn't or it's great like crazy lady Bachman, or really it's just another excuse (like the fact he's breathing) to try and trash Obama, grow a pair, get a brain, and just do that without talking nonsense about the shutdown.

If you don't want to believe me, believe the Koch brothers, who have distanced themselves from this democracy bashing shutdown tactic of the republicans on the ACA, btw this means they blame the republicans for the shutdown by logical extension. Or join a select club, to the right of the Koch brothers on the crazy conservative scale!!!!
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Oct 11, 2013 11:14:07   #
oldroy wrote:
I am doing something I don't often do and that is to quote a request by a very right leaning blog for support. None of this is anything I don't believe in but is worded better than I could do it.

We get these actions from a White House that claims it will never negotiate if any of the debate is about Obamascare. We have even heard that the NPS people have been told to make these actions hurt as bad as possible. I guess most people don't know that the federal government owns about 30% of the land in the nation. Yep, they have been gobbling it up lately and now we can see why.



Do It My Way Or I'll Show You Who's The Boss.

It's both ironic and pathetic that Barack Obama is calling patriotic Americans like you and me "extortionists," "anarchists," and "arsonists" when any reasonable person can clearly see that the only person who is behaving like an extortionist is Barack Obama.

In recent days, the Obama Regime has:

Closed open-air monuments, memorials and parks to veterans and patriotic Americans, but then opened the National Mall (which was supposedly closed) to illegal aliens to stage a massive Amnesty rally.

Thrown tax-paying Americans out of their privately owned homes because those homes apparently stood on government land. Nevada CBS affiliate KTNV reported: "Joyce Spencer is 77-years-old and her husband Ralph is 80. ... The Spencers never expected to be forced out of their Lake Mead home, which they've owned since the 70s, but on Thursday, a park ranger said they had 24 hours to get out."

Informed civilian chaplains that they could face prison if they dared to celebrate Mass on military installations during this phantom shutdown. According to John Schlageter, the General Counsel for the Archdiocese of Military Services, civilian chaplains were informed that "During the shutdown, it is illegal for them to minister on base and they risk being arrested if they attempt to do so." What's next? Will doctors face jail time for rendering services that are not approved under ObamaCare?

Ordered the National Park Service to close privately run marinas, restaurants and inns throughout the country that are on government land. In some cases, the National Park service was ordered to post guards to keep people from using these privately owned establishments during the government shutdown. By the way, the federal government owns about 30 percent of the total land-mass of the United States.

Closed the Atlantic Ocean. You read that right. In what can only be described as dictatorial and delusional hubris, Barack Obama's National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida, who must have access to the ocean to make a living, that the Florida Bay was closed due to the shutdown, and that closure of public beaches was just one of many examples.

It's time for our elected officials to answer a very important question: Do we live in the United States of America or the once defunct Soviet Union?
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Obviously your first sentence was an attempt at humor, the only thing you could quote is a far right blog.

The term negotiate is a misnomer, when someone subverts the democratic system and effectively extorts agreement there is no such thing, or at last should be no such thing, as negotiation, only repudiation.

It is almost amusing, if it wasn't so callous and frankly evil, to see the defenders of the Constitution and Democracy, who carry their little books around in their pockets, trash it completely when it suits their agenda, showing the book is a prop not a belief actually.

When the Koch brothers distance themselves from the republican shutdown to try to repeal a law they can't repeal democratically through the budget process, that is what it is don't dress it up in some BS, you know you've sunk way below LOW, low brained low morally just plain LOW. So talking about negotiation is just plain silly! If you want to shutdown the government, trash democracy because you know better, own it like a man, don't rail against the person standing against you who you've turned into a defender of democracy...isn't that a treat!! Obama who you hate is now a defender of democracy. Sure you will give him due credit if you really love democracy..or is that only when the result suits you!
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Oct 11, 2013 11:01:15   #
Back to the subject of the initial post and others like Why won't he negotiate? Why he is responsible for the shutdown, etc etc. There seems to be some new definitions of stupid and crazy in this whole series of discussions.

When people who supposedly love the Constitution and democracy decide to trash both and say we want to effectively legislate, repeal a law, through the budget process and if you don't agree we will shutdown the government, this is an action and only generally only two things can happen, the person being blackmailed or white-mailed if you prefer, can either capitulate and also trash democracy (capitulation is not negotiation since this seems to confuse so many) or they can refuse to do so, which in this case is actually upholding democracy and appropriately blame the hostage takers as responsible. No matter how many novel and nonsense rationales the hostage takers proclaim they are responsible for the end result of their actions, the shutdown.

In one wanted proof as to just how crazy this whole subject and attempts at blaming the reactors as opposed to those who've acted against democratic process; when the Koch brothers, as they have recently, disclaim connection with this attempt you know you've reached way past crazy town!!!

If democrats were in majority in one house, oh yea they are in the Senate, and said we will only approve the budget if you add a public option as one choice to the ACA what would be your reaction if the republicans failed to negotiate! or if they insisted on cutting defense spending 50% or changing the benchmark for abortion to 30 weeks! all of these things would be an offense to liberty an abrogation of democracy, you all rail at things Obama does that have no possible semblance of being that and than blithely support an assault on democracy in the republican demand to defund (or delay haha just an interim step till next blackmail to defund or effectively repeal.

This is all a classic case of delusion!! think about it get a grip, stop preaching your love of the Constitution and democracy if you support ignoring it and actively subverting it when it suits you.
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Oct 1, 2013 18:41:23   #
faithistheword wrote:
You are SUCH a racist! It's all you can talk about!


yea dude, just like on the schoolyard, when nothing worthwhile or intelligent to say, all you can say is, NO you are, haha haha

if you wanted to illustrate we were in a post racial society you would be arguing my point, but of course all you can say is No you are a racist!!
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Oct 1, 2013 17:48:06   #
banjojack wrote:
A little off the subject, I realize, but why do you keep referring to Obama as "black?" You realize he is one half white, don't you? Why not call him our first half-black president, if you are concerned about accuracy? Or our first half-white president, if you are unconcerned about political correctness?


We both know that the fact Obama is half white is a good reason why he got elected, we also know in case you were sleeping that more and more of the American nation now has mixed ethnicities and thus half white or half black will start to become silly, it's frankly pretty silly now.

We also know that young people by and large are much less racially motivated than us old SOB's.

So there is hope that at some point racial considerations will become a thing of the past and half or all black even won't matter, ....but while you and faithistheword and so many of the conspiracy crazies, while protesting so much - they only convince themselves - that race has nothing to do with their hatred! actually isn't this where you and he should mention your black friends, haha...

BUT, nothing politically correct about it, it still does matter and Obama proudly to most (like the first catholic President) is the first black President (you do know that if he was like 1/8th black he would have been categorized as black not so long ado?, other than to a less than serious person saying it doesn't or that this has nothing to do with the hatred for Obama or that saying so is somehow racist, well it's also just silly!!! to serious people who actually reflect on things.
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Oct 1, 2013 16:03:16   #
faithistheword wrote:
OK, he's a Muslim/communist, too! He's also a member of the Black-hearted group that is working for the One-World movement. Nothing bad anyone says about him is untrue, because he's totally evil! I'm sure many of you libs have recognized this fact, you just can't make yourselves admit you've been HAD!


If anything of the drivel you spout, and it seriously is drivel, were true he must be the worst and least successful terrorist in the history of the world. As to being evil and any of the crazy things you say being true let's let history judge if they are or if there was a group of bigoted crazy old white men like yourself that held crazy conspiracy stories like this drivel as gospel truths and tried unsuccessfully to get rid of the first black President in the US or not. I'd say the odds on my position, the latter, are about a 99 billion to one good position. But keep on mumbling silliness that people feed you or seek help start to actually think and get a life. I hope for but doubt the latter.
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Oct 1, 2013 12:29:16   #
Bigmac495 wrote:
O yes brag about him winning the 2nd four years . He didn't win anything , he rigged the polls , even the 1st one ! Heck I could win it if I had dead people , prisoners , illegal latinos, voting multiple times in differant states voting for me ! Do you really believe Florida had 1 county with zero votes for Romney ! Do you belive Acorn , whom Obama had ties with back in Chigago was convicted and fined for election rules in his first election . They also filed banrupcy afterwads and split up under several new names but was still active in the 2nd election ! Yes he is street smart , he is very smart when conning people .
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You forgot to mention the Muslim and communist rant so that everyone can categorize your post as one of the ignorant conspiracy wackos that believe all kinds of crap...you should understand, but of course that would be asking way too much, that the people who write this silly crap laugh at the ones they manipulate in so doing, over cocktails at the club!! sad sad sad!
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Oct 1, 2013 12:18:02   #
rrmoderate wrote:
To believe Hillary is capable is more of a religous type of faith, certainly there are no accomplishments that would warrant such belief.

To think McCain and Romney to be far right is to be pretty far to the left yourself, despite your misnomer.
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Our electorate will determine how cogent Hillary's accomplishments are vs. the intended role. McCain was, is, and will always be a right-winger. Romney is much closer to the middle. He would have made a good POTUS, and would have worked well with both houses and both sides of the aisle. Maybe he wants to give it another run..
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seriously!! Another run for Romney! This puts you in a very select group, like a time traveler from the Fifties!! Even pure Plutocrats are pretty much fed up with him. But I guess on the light side, if it happened it would be the most impressive comeback story even for the US. But Hillary seems a much more likely bet.
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