Hello Major, like that part.
I can agree with what you said. I don't think much of a reaction of loosing yourself (upset) when questioned. I most often question to learn, not to put someone down, belittling them. I see no use to belittle anyone. They made their bed and go ahead and lay in it.

It is good to know someone else believes deceit is "unacceptable" conduct. We're together on that for sure. I've been told I'm too hard on someone who has lied by not believing them in the future cuz they may be telling the truth. Yes, all people have to do is lie to me once and no credibility. I don't understand how that is "too tough" on anyone.

Thanks again.

Sounds like we chewed a lot of the same dirt. At least were wet head to toe all those days ago. Ooooo rah!

Thanks

"witless" & "son of witless", Thanks for bringing a smile to my face! I guess I have the same sense of humor calling myself "cripple".

No, I did not support Trump when he was part of the field, I liked Ben Carson. Then Trump won the Repb. primary I started to pay attention to him not putting much weight to the "birther" stuff. Trump announced Obama was (& has been) a U.S. citizen. That started me to think. I went ahead and voted for him but remember I live in Arizona, I could have stayed home without making any difference. I'm just not the type to stay home on voting day. If my vote counts or not I still vote.

I actually researched the easy one, the size of the crowd on his January installation. He lied the video was too easy to find. I started to research a bit deeper. I tell you it is difficult to establish credibility of whoever writes. I really stay away from the "Bob's Blog" type, a person's blog where they rant. I want to see footnotes when I research and writings today just don't do that often, rare in-fact. I do believe in this Russia compliance thing. I still don't know the difference between "fabricated" evidence and factual evidence, (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) so I look at DECEIT and there is so much out there using Deceit. Mostly, I see "Lies of Omission" where I call them "entertainment" rather than "fake news".

So to answer your question honestly, my doubt started the day Trump made his installation speech. That is the day I stopped supporting Trump.
Remember when he said the I.G. report complete exonerates him? So I read the whole I.G. report and no such conclusion exists in that document. Want a copy? I can and will easily attach. Please keep in-mind that I had a program that allowed me to make marks on the report then one day I couldn't make any notations. You'll see the notes I was making not part of the document.

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I could not agree with you more!
I found you, bggamers. Question for people like us, How do you think people would respond IF this "Deep State" was exposed? If someone would say "Don't get excited, especially to the point to be violent. You have the right to protest & address grievances to your govt. Just make sure you do so in a peaceful way!

What do you think?

Oooo raaahh!

Don’t even waste your time arguing with a Trump supporter? Where did this come from?

My neighbor and I have many interesting debates. She is an intelligent person, though I would never tell her that. I’m all in for a good debate but this screaming upset, belittling comments, all the huff-n-puff are clear signs of some stupid people (well I think so).

I’ve already been the target of the same people I use to claim allegiance. I was called “an unnecessary financial drain on U.S. society.” due to being a former U.S. Marine in Vietnam. Yes, I was given tin, close to some fine U.S. citizens die in that godforsaken country. Now V.A. meds in the mail often and condemned to a wheelchair. So I don’t even try to explain to her how horrendous it is in actual combat. Saw some awful terrible things over-there, did some awful things there myself. Still difficult to talk about it, so I don’t. Someone said to leave people like me alone and the loud army went somewhere else.

I come from a small town in Arizona, close to the southern border. I see way too many people clueless about immigration. Politicians, even in this state, who are making hay over the border to get votes. Still clueless in their rhetoric.

I’m no longer a Trump supporter due to being lied to. I researched quite deep and went back a few times because I couldn’t believe it. I refuse to believe another “Gulf of Tonkin” (too many don’t know what I’m talking about, shame).

I don’t think we want a U.S. civil war over politics. The problem is how do WE get the truth? I remember Nixon and I do know now, Trump is “the man” now so “find” this “Deep State” and expose it. I hear talk but really don’t see anything but hype. Is there “Anyone” who thinks our Government would tell us if they knew a huge Meteor was coming? How about any other disaster? Why is the press not allowed in FEMA camps? How am I ever going to find out what’s going on there? We don’t have freedom now and that’s a big problem. So keep your “facial recognition” computer software until I find it. My loyalty is to the truth as an absolute!

Thank you Mike. I guess I read too much last few years. As for TV, just flip through the channels and most often turn it off.

If you are a person who believes there is a "Deep State"€, one that acts under its own control, not accountable to us meaning U.S. society. Then all this investigating Trump by Mueller & his team is a consequence of the "Deep State"€. Then enter Republican Representative Devin Nunez who says this warrant will tell all that it is, a farce against this Carter guy. Oooops, backfire! Never done before, & that's what Nunez was counting on, says opposite of what Nunez says. Lied! Again, Nunez lied to everyone. Remember, Mueller has gotten 1 key Trump person in a trial (innocent until proven guilty) and 5 guilty pleas from U.S. people. This Mueller stuff is no "Witch Hunt".

Still, I don't know anyone who can actually tell what evidence is fabricated and what is not, including me. I do know I can react to being lied to! Yes, I'm one of those people that if you lie to me even once, I cannot trust you again. Nunez, like Trump, has lied to me many times, hence no trust from me. Whatever he says in whatever media, including Twitter, I don't believe. I don't support, encourage, therefore reward a liar even once. I have a hard time getting along with someone who believes the lies & I read & investigate (research though I don't like to be a researcher) to determine credibility.

How easy it is to take a position after seeing/hearing only one side of the issue. The more the liars say "Witch Hunt"€ the more guilty he/they are to me. Advise from me is "Wait"€ and see what Mueller releases. Nobody knows what evidence is there.

This Giuliani was a young Prosecutor in New York at one time who wanted a conviction, so he did something illegal. SCOTUS, our Supreme Court, released a decision releasing a man from "death row"€ (remember the Green Mile) because the NY Prosecutor, Giuliani, hid evidence until court day. How did he get away with it? Giuliani should have been dis-barred from being a lawyer, and if we were really honest with ourselves, Giuliani would have to serve the sentence in prison he was responsible for (personally I would put the Judge & defense lawyer at the time in prison also). The more the liars (including Giuliani) say the more guilty they seem.

I have attached the I.G. report if anyone wants it. Please remember, I had this software that allowed me to highlight and make other notations, then I don't know what happened to that software, suddenly I was only allowed to read without any marks, so please keep that in mind. Trump said the I.G. report "...completely exonerates me."€ Wrong! Lied to everyone again! Read it for yourself, no position was taken regarding Trump. Go ahead and support, encourage and therefore reward the liars, they lie because it works, on you! Not me! I plan on being one of those who choose not to support the liars, sick of being lied to. I refuse to fall for another "Gulf of Tonkin" again (don't tell me you forgot that one).

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Mike, Just asking, where do you get your news? Personally, I don't know who to believe. News isn't news, it has become "entertainment". Fake news turns out to be actual news. The TV Hosts are reading a script and not journalism, they say what they are paid to say. I say a lie of omission is still a lie! Please help me with the information of where you get your news.

Hello Shelby County, Tennessee, found you on a voting machine with 600,000 voter registration records on it. Yes, it’s true: Sequoia brand voting machines all shared the same hard-coded password. Real easy to hack! Want to know all that information of some 600,000 registered voters in Shelby County, Tennessee? Hey Shelby County, how about you just release all your information & secrets so all the information in that voting machine has no value? People may be interested (not me)! Imagine how much money you could gain by selling all such information over and over again!

(Special Thanks to Linda for her help in developing such information.)

How about the 15 million (yes million) voters from Illinois and all their associated data leaving secure voting and into unsecure cyberspace? (How’s the “shock-and-awe” going so far? I approached this research bias favoring Trump feeling such lacked in the writings I read.)

75,000 votes in Detroit, Michigan blank where some 80 voting machines damaged, in some way, that is 59% in the area.

7 minutes, Yes, some Princeton Professor showed how easily it is to hack a voting machine. He bought a machine off e-bay, cheap, and hacked it in only 7 minutes. What do you think about voting machines?

Each and every State and the Federal Government was warned in 2015 election machines, the entire election, is not secure and nothing done.

“Intelligence officials say there is “no evidence” that vote tabulations were hacked. But they haven’t examined the machines. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

Let’s keep our eye-on-the-ball since it is so easy to be distracted, with all the balls being hit in all sorts of directions. All the talk about daily functions of the President, Congress, Supreme Court, lies upon lies. The Mueller Report, Russians, Money-Laundering, etc. The real issue above all such distractions is the 2016 Presidential Election (knock it off with all the Hillary stuff, such arguments do not reduce anything relating to the voting machines of the 2016 election, besides it makes you sound guilty).

Who lies and who doesn’t? That is what I use to aid in a determination of whatever the Mueller Report says once released. Truth be told, I don’t know of anyone who could honestly tell what is actual proof of misconduct and what is fabricated. (Yes, I saw Mr. Smith Goes To Washington with Jimmy Stewart) I personally rely upon who has lied to me I know of for certain. “I’m not a crook” comes to mind often.

Remember: We all are in a position right now where we don’t believe anyone with any information from anywhere! Pictures don’t lie? NO, I call it Photo Shop where pictures can easily be changed. Video doesn’t lie? No, I also call it Photo Shop were the actual video can be changed and the audio is changed, can’t believe that either. Media telling the truth? No, common to leave off information, omit a relevant fact to bolster the point you’re making. Do not call media “news”, do no call the media “fake news”, call the media “entertainment” because that is clearly what it is. Lying to U.S. society has become “acceptable conduct” even encouraged rather than challenged. So we research! Doesn’t mean what we read we believe, it means I will put the effort into finding the truth! NO DECEIT! Deceit is the way of corruption and unethical conduct & we will not support or encourage unethical conduct. I like the statement from our 1st President, General George Washington, DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOUR GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU, remember that readers, question everything!
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Thanks Linda, Just posted something we both worked on. The product was way too long so I made it an attachment and just posted the voting retype.
That picture of Belize is real good, fantastic I would say. Strange you chose to post the Belize, have been interested in a trip to Argentina myself.
Paul, otherwise cripple2001

Thanks, if you only knew. Isn't the original engine, I shouldn't have said original, knew that just a second after I clicked on send. I should say the older 426. Well, I wrote numbers down and spent a few hours checking on them. OK, I'll tell you, the title, Howard Hughs bought this one. There is a Chrysler New Yorker (like this one) with all sorts of filtration systems ol Howard bought for himself, he also bought 12 others for friends of his without the filtration stuff. Those New Yorkers were quite the car in their day. Well, love my cars.

Tools! Joke when I was young & good looken: When you get to heaven the guy with the most tools wins!
I don't know what you win but it's heaven, I don't want to miss it.
Restoring old cars, I love it. Got a 1928 Model A, 1929 Model A, now for the rust buckets, 1939 Chrysler & 1954 Chrysler but the 54 has the original 426 Hemi so it's like gold to me.
Thanks

I put effort into what I "assume", I read, research and don't call anyone a liar until I can prove it. I've found that when I footnote or post where I got the truth is only inviting those I use to call "single digit mental midgets" quoting some blog somewhere as the truth and come across with name-calling and other belittling things.
If someone can show me the assumption, I welcome it, always willing to learn. How many should we let-in, a limit is not given on the 1948 Treaty. Have you read it? The Library of Congress is helpful to me getting a copy. Our Constitution & Treaty gives them, a citizen equal to you or me, those people went to classes, taught more than someone who is given citizenship as an infant born in the U.S. as my kids were (2 in military hospitals in this country). The illegal I would check into. The Obama administration (I don't like Obama btw) there was no order to separate families (I had to research that one) there were families where the children were separated but you could count those on your fingers over the 8 years as President.
The refusal to allow our elected people access goes right to the point to me (so many lies around us all, so many people trying to get our support using lies, when I catch them in the lie the desired reaction from me is opposite. I do not support the liars.
I'm so upset at the Dems and now Repubs for the lies. I'm now an Independent, registered, dislike all the lies including lies of omission. The fight against lies is now my passion.