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Jan 10, 2017 19:15:33   #
Morgan wrote:
You're right about that ego, it is a specially difficult with sensitive individuals it's a virtue to make one more empathetic towards people it also plays on our own emotions, stepping back is something I am in constant practice of, especially on OPP! What a great practice place. , and stretching is a good thing
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Speaking about stretching a lot of what Sue has been saying is pretty much agreeing with what the following site is saying and is making a lot of sense. When I get done reviewing I already am going to have to eat crow and apologize, neat stuff:

www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2566/the-jewish-view-of-satan/?P=2556

Check it out!

It reminds me of a favorite saying I came up with when I was younger as a lonely boy LOL:

"You can learn more about life and spiritual growth at a house of mourning then at a house of party and celebration."

It actually comes very close to merging my Christian worldview with her faith with only apparent contradictions to ponder: and is in no way that much different than what she attempted to share earlier with us clowns.

Again check it out. I saved it to my desktop.😎😎😎😇😇😇
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Jan 10, 2017 15:52:04   #
Morgan wrote:
If this was your intention...the shame is on you sir...


Morgan,

FYI

It's Ma'am not Sir

I made that mistake untentionally the first time I addressed her also!

Best regards,

Dave
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Jan 10, 2017 11:46:03   #
Morgan wrote:
Yes, that now makes perfect sense, and with that said, I happen to disagree with you, I think you would've made and still could be, an excellent minister. You seem to have a real compassion to reach out to others with human compassion and brotherly love, that directed by an open heart of good intention to help and guide. Also while having the capacity to be patient to listen to others perspectives. You sell yourself short my friend the ministries need more people as yourself, rather than the ...well I'll stop there. What I see stopping you is your own fear that you won't live up to it. Knowing your own virtues and faults, is a strength and only keeps you human and a person of the people. I am sure if you spoke to any clergyman who had been doing it for years, he would also tell you he's learned along the way, I mean isn't that what life is all about anyway. I believe we are here to deepen the knowledge of our soul. We strive through every plateau to raise ourselves up...yes?
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Thank you that not only made me feel good but great. No pun intended. May be I'll have to reach out and dare to stretch myself.

Iron sharpens iron even if the Truth hurts from time to time and maybe especially when it hurts. There are some excellent sparing partners on this Web none perfect but all have something to offer each in his or her own special way.

God is in all of this I am convicted. Even those that might tick me off. Maybe it's just the ticking off part I need to abandon or lose.

That cursed aura of ego or deadly self importance!

Thank you and God bless you!
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Jan 10, 2017 05:53:48   #
Zemirah wrote:
Shocked into silence...

Excellent.


You have a bad habits of presuming and bullying others.

Just one piece of advice ..

Pray quit while you're ahead(?)...

I'm out of here.

Sue,

I apologise personally to you for the abuse you have received from the above captioned commentator.

I may have disagreed with you myself but I don't back or support any of the above persons claims although I made that mistake in the very recent past!
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Jan 9, 2017 22:26:02   #
Morgan wrote:
How do you know, death is a transition back to our spiritual world.


We were talking about feeling good vs not feeling good.

So I was contrasting death with that condition as a contrast in order to put things back into proper perspective.

In other words, sometimes as a minister or church leader they may be doing their followers a disservice if they don't challenge them. Or worse yet compromise in order to keep or increase membership, increase church collection size, etc.

I confess that "feel good religion" may have been a bad choice of words on my part. The above is actually closer to what I meant.

The "feel good" anology was my awkward way of saying if church members are morally drifting it is one of the ministry's duties to correct or warn least the blood would be on their own hands as well as the transgressors well being.

Does that make sense?

Incidentally that is one reason I could never be a minister since that is a very terrible and awesome responsibility.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:13:58   #
Zemirah wrote:
FYI: This is an online forum intended for the exchange of opinions and online informational resources.

I first read the entire Bible through at the age of nine, when I was in the 4th grade, over sixty years ago.

There is absolutely no need for me to give any unknown 3rd party referred by another forum member my private post office box address in order to receive information that is supposedly not readily available through God´s written word!!!

That sounds VERY CULTISH!!! This is what you wish me to do? No, thank you.

All of the Apostles Words in the Scriptures are ¨Jesus words,¨ - for just as He promised them in John 16:12-15, the Holy Spirit would give them, through inspiration, the words of Jesus, who is the Living Logos, enabling them to write the entire New Testament, which was still future at that time.

John 16:12: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.¨

ALL Jesus words are KEY words.

The Bible, in its composition, is a beautiful mosaic.

To understand any subject in the Scriptures, it is necessary to consider every verse pertaining to that subject, omitting not one word, and thereby receiving a complete picture of God´s instruction on the matter under consideration.

Key words alone give only a vague outline, signifying nothing actionable.

In an earlier post on this Topic, I recited the major verses of inspired Scripture which teach the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of all God´s redeemed in Jesus Christ.

The Scriptures say what they say. They will not change.

We each choose what we believe, which is as intended, for God will not violate our free will.
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I'm disappointed in you actually I am shocked.

No further comment
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Jan 9, 2017 14:28:38   #
Morgan wrote:
Feel good religion verses conditioned traditional feel bad, guilt ridden religion? maybe we should think of the reasons that make us feel good. If it is loving and forgiving, and doing for others, as you were trying to do with your homeless man, and a very honorable thing to do,well does that put us on the wrong track? No of course not . Feel good religion as you say doesn't make anyone immune to hardships and difficulties, but it does have to do with understanding, as was quoted by Wolf a few posts ago.

Feeling good and bad is a discipline tactic, when we do good we the expansion of oneness with the whole, and we feel good, we like feeling good about ourselves, so we are apt to do it again, and again, soon a new way of life(pattern) is formed one out of goodness; when instead if we act out in bad and selfish intention, that goes to our inner core, deep down to our inner soul which than has a dark cloud and we feel badly about ourselves, even when we don't show it to the outside world. All this is already set by our divine source without raising a hand of punishment, we've already done it to ourselves through self infliction and negative action.
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Most times death doesn't feel good either
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Jan 9, 2017 02:22:45   #
Zemirah wrote:
These are the words of Jesus that have been cut into splintered partial sentences???? To what end?

Matthew 24:24: ¨For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.


24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’


24:31: And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds,from one end of the heavens to the other.…


There are thousands of books written by devout, sincere Christians arguing in favor of either pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib.

Very few have changed their mind, based on someone elses opinion, after seriously studying the scriptures for themselves, and very few ever will.

Most intelligent individuals, do, however, read the entire sentences, paragraphs, chapters...

Your opinion is your own.

They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand. Isaiah 44:18
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My point was to communicate by just focusing on the key words that Jesus himself state as the ultimate authority of authority and the order in which he ordered his own thoughts in the sequence of actual events and actions.

What other men have written is irrelevant when standing up to the good Lord's TRUTH and ordered by HIS own perfectly thought process. (Emphasis in upper CASE)

So what's your point when you're actually agreeing with his own words and making my and HIS own witness true.

So what's your point? I'm afraid you've lost me there my friend when the self evident truth in JESUS' own words is the essential and ultimate witness of so called post trib.

You're making the topic more complicated with "much words" when just common sense and a lot fewer words will do!

Now if you want to take it further then take it up with my friend as I suggested earlier who doesn't use the internet but would be perfectly willing to discuss it with his own hand if you have an anonymous PO box address.

KIS (Keep It Simple) please and either take it up with him or change the subject!

I have written what I have written and as far as I'm concerned that discussion you need to now take up further, if you're interested with my friend and spiritual mentor Randy.

With all due respect and sincerity,

Dave
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Jan 8, 2017 18:33:14   #
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
That will take some time to explain and right now I have to plow a driveway and have a date with my wife. I'll get back with you later today.

Love the talking heads 😁😁😁!!!


OK I'm back
Pre trib nonsense as in horse do do...Feel good religion...Bull dukie, etc.,.

Watch the word "elect" and verse sequence as follows:

Mathew 24:24 "they shall decieve the very ELECT..."
Mathew 24:29 "IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation...."
Mathew 24:31"And he shall send his angels...And they shall gather together his ELECT..."

Sounds like post trib to me in my humble opinion...Where am I going wrong if pre trib is true?
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Jan 8, 2017 13:25:04   #
Morgan wrote:
Do you believe Moses writing Genesis?



Don't know I wasn't there.

Were you?

But yeah some "authorities" have suggested it was Moses in the Holly Spirit.

Anyway sounds good.

Perhaps someone in our listening audience can shed more authoritative light on the subject but right now I've got to run.

More later.
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Jan 8, 2017 12:54:31   #
Morgan wrote:
OK...What exactly are we talking about? Too much feel good nonsense?


That will take some time to explain and right now I have to plow a driveway and have a date with my wife. I'll get back with you later today.

Love the talking heads 😁😁😁!!!
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Jan 8, 2017 12:44:00   #
Morgan wrote:
I wasn't referring to your private information, if you go back you'll see I was referring to "impersonal" conversations. apologies to the misunderstanding of my post.


OK and I thought you were being understandably cagey.

We then let's continue the open conversation...

My spiritual mentor and I think pre trib theology is just so much "feel good" nonsense.

As Bill O'Reilly would ask...

"What say you?"
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Jan 8, 2017 12:33:50   #
Morgan wrote:
would that be the double or triple strand?


Lol

Double stranded as some have suggested a side profile of double stranded DNA resembles a rib cage and perhaps Moses while writing Genesis in the Holly Spirit when God showed him a portion of a double stranded helix may have interpreted the vision as a rib cage or rib...Just saying
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Jan 8, 2017 11:40:48   #
Morgan wrote:
Can I ask why you are doing that? Why private, we are here on an open forum to discuss different thoughts, if it is an impersonal topic I'd hope we could continue to all share in the conversation.


Because i don't like giving my name phone number and address on an open forum and I trust you wouldn't either.

Plus as I stated just prior my friend is technically homeless and doesn't have access to the internet so it would be easier for him to mail to you even if it is an anonymous post office box number.

One of his conditions is in his own words is that in writing it puts him into the Holy Spirit and for that reason is better than oral communication.

I respect his convictions there as I have learned over time that his "yesses" mean "yes" and "no's" mean "no".

Hope that makes sense to you and trusts that it does.

David
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Jan 8, 2017 11:13:23   #
Zemirah wrote:
You´re laboring under two false impressions:

1. I am not a man, never have been, never will be, and consequently not addressable as ¨Sir.¨

2. Since the birth of Christianity on the day of Pentecost, Salvation is through Jesus Christ, and only Jesus Christ. I recommend nothing else, nor have I ever.


Acts 2:14-42 is the sermon of the Apostle, Peter on the day of Pentecost. It is strategically important because it is the first Christian sermon ever preached, and it changed the world forever.

22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, da man attested to you by God ewith fmighty works and wonders and signs that gGod did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus,4 hdelivered up according to ithe definite plan and jforeknowledge of God, kyou crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 lGod raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because mit was not possible for him to be held by it. 25 For David says concerning him,
n“ ‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell oin hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’

29 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about tthe patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God raised up, band of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

In the ministry of Jesus the Bible says that Jesus came preaching. And in Luke Chapter 4, Jesus' view of His own ministry says in verse 16, "He came to Nazareth ... where He'd been brought up and as His custom was Jesus went into the synagogue on the Sabbath Day and stood up to read.

And it was delivered unto Him the book of the prophet Isaiah and when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me because He hath anointed Me to," what, "to preach." "To preach the gospel to the poor. He had sent Me to heal the broken-hearted. To preach deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised to preach the acceptable year of the Lord and He closed the book and gave it to the minister and sat down."

The priority of Jesus Christ repeated three times and the prophecy of Isaiah was that He came to preach. John writing many years after that looked back and said, "Jesus cried in the temple teaching and saving." Jesus boldly preached. His preaching was powerful. His preaching was urgent, but His preaching was at the same time compassionate. Preaching involves the gospel proclamation and it also involves theological instruction.
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Nothing to disagree with here. It is written as you accurately relate.

Your ministry sounds like a righteous ministry and I am currently seeking one. Oh and sorry for calling you sir ma'am. Lol

Contact me on our private server where we can exchange more information to learn more about your services in exchange for more information on myself.

I do have one question for you now which you can either share here or in private.

The question is this:

Where do you stand on the post versus pretrib debate.

I have a friend who would like to engage more deeply with anyone who based on his study of Scripture as I am; opposed to pre trib theology who wishes to share his written conclusions with anyone who has or is the leader of a ministry as I perceive you to be one in that capacity.

He doesn't have a computer and is about my age, works as a painter and house sitter following his own personal ministry in Christ so his material I would have to mail you whether you are either pre or post yourself.

I have a hunch that he would agree with everything you have written so far. So we would both be interested in following up with you further.

Even for an old dog I feel there is much I could learn from both of you. And if we all agree to disagree but learn from each other all the merrier!

God speed,

Dave
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