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Apr 23, 2018 08:28:18   #
ghostgotcha wrote:
President Trump has finished his first year. It was a tumultuous one for liberals. They thought their temper tantrums and whines would surely get him removed from office. Liberal Democraps just knew their lives would return to normal.

Now for the bad news: The past year was only a taste. President Trump is assured of at least three more years. Three long years to keep you pissing in your pants while running from the swamp creatures.

My best advise for you: Don't kick the gators. Your swamp is being drained dry !

President Trump has finished his first year. It w... (show quote)



Nice selfy
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Apr 23, 2018 08:26:06   #
JoyV wrote:
The proof I already posted. But will again. https://www.census.gov/library/publications/time-series/cffr.html

When you go to the site there is a message in red print saying:
The Federal Financial Statistics program was terminated effective with the FY 2012 budget. The termination of the program results in the elimination of the Consolidated Federal Funds Report (CFFR), including the publication, downloadable data, and the On-Line Query System, as well as the annual Federal Aid to States Report (FAS).

Note the date. 2012. Now correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Obama president in 2012?

When you thought the termination happened after Trump became president you were quick to say he terminated it to hide where the money was going. Now the only difference is the date of 2012. So if happening under Trump's watch PROVES he was hiding money; why isn't it PROOF Obama was hiding money. Or here's a novel; idea. Just maybe the termination had some other reason and you should reconsider crying foul before you have the facts.
The proof I already posted. But will again. http... (show quote)


You post just like Linda "joy" long, tedious and repetitive, "you" make personal attacks and deny doing so. So let me make it clear for you, when you talk to someone using the pronoun "you" the reference to them and about them is intentional. Got it, good.

Your repeated post is completely moot, it's "again" already been discussed and you reposting it does absolutely nothing.

Maybe you should go back to the post I wrote, and realize when I conceded to you and acknowledge it not happening underTrump and gone home. You were ahead of the game, at that point you' should've taken your cookies and gone home. then you continued to talk, that was a mistake.

As far as the termination I DID say I would look into it further, I'm done here. You can continue to go in circles.
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Apr 23, 2018 08:00:41   #
kankune wrote:
Love reading your posts Joy. Very informative as usual and spot on..I especially like it when you hand it right back to Morgan.


grow up
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Apr 22, 2018 19:17:16   #
JoyV wrote:
That you don't like Trump and I don't like Obama is not the point. I try not to jump to conclusions without facts or even evidence. You'll note by reading back on my posts I don't say vague things like Obama is a liar and not specify any particular lies. Now you say Congress pays for the purse strings. Yet before you immediately blamed Trump an attributed some underhanded motive. Now at the same time you are saying Congress pays for the purse strings, you are saying Obama did this because he wanted more transparency. So was it Obama or Congress? And if Obama, how do you know his motive? Again you jump to a conclusion but this time a favorable one about Obama instead of a disfavorable one about Trump.
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Wow you really went on an all out rant eh..."JOY"?...You're correct it's not the point, but then you go off point attacking me personally. I don't have to live up to your expectations, I have my opinion of Trump and don't have to justify them to anyone, or back them up by fact, it's my opinion that he's a psychopathic liar... period. If I did want to back it up I have roughly 1200 lies to choose from fact check alone. He's a PROVEN liar. On tape and on live Broadcast.

Now as I gave you some credit I also said I would look into it, since Trump... what comes out of the CBO for me including their chart, now under Trump is highly suspect. Their category's alone are just plain weird, either very specific or too general. One catagory just for welfare, since when? Really wtf? They paint whatever picture they want their audience to see and nothing more. Just as in the gag orders with the EPA and the dept of Agrid. We are being bamboozled. You've mentioned purse strings twice...yes purse strings, as I explained it to you earlier, Congress appropriates funds, not the president, so you tell me, was it Obama or the Republican majority?

JoyV wrote:
You make vague accusations against Trump. Can you be more specific? What lies? And are they more an worse than the lies of past Presidents? What unethical actions an how has he tied his businesses to his presidency to get richer? He is the only President to NOT take his salary. Correction, he was told he couldn't refuse it so instead is donating it back to our government. You say he is making millions as President. Have you checked the monetary worth of Obama before his presidency and when he left office? Have you checked other presidents? IF, and that is a big if; he is making millions; he certainly wouldn't be the first. But the difference is his money would be made by his businesses (of which he divested himself of most) instead of through his government office. making money through business IS very American. The constitution guarantees our rights to LIFE, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY.
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What lies ...please too many to mention, how about the campaign-Russia or the inauguration for starters...

JoyV wrote:
Yes fascists can be nationalists. But fascists are also socialists. They are both. The term "nationalist" can be applied to Trump but not "socialist". So the label "fascist" does not fit. Find a more fitting one. How is he unAmerican? Are you really saying that trying to put our country under the authority of the UN even when it violated our Constitution as Obama tried IS American? Are you saying adhering to our Constitutional laws as Trump is working at doing is UNAmerican? The main outrages I hear from the left are (in no particular order):
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No, a fascist doesn't have to be socialists and socialists don't have to be run by a dictatorship, preferably not. I said Trump was a Nationalists and was driving us to fascism, never mentioned him being a socialist. I agree with you there he is not one. But the label of fascists fits perfectly, again my opinion. He

You ask how is he unamerican... he pins Americans against each other and tears down the Democratic party which he was affiliated with and which consists of about half of Americans and boasts publicly that they are the enemy, just like Hitler did pining the German people against the Jews. That's about as unamerican as you can get, except possibly selling our voting process down the river to the Russians.


No one has ever said to scrap our immigration laws, pure BS mantra.

JoyV wrote:
That we should abolish portions of our constitution such as the 2nd amendment and severely restrict the 1st amendment. In other words free speech only if you are in agreement with the left. Otherwise threaten violence and rioting to shut down any speech you don't like. AND political correctness to shame people into editing their words and even their thoughts. And in some cases we should simply scrap our constitution all together or treat it as a "living document" and change it as we want without the laborious process required in it for amendments.
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What a complete twist once again, That University had every right to cancel her speech to avoid a violent conflict. Anne Coulter could have taken her boney ass elsewhere if she wanted to be heard, the problem was no one really did want to hear her BS. You want to know a real suppression of our rights for free speech, look at the gag order from Trump for NOT allowing the EPA to reveal their new research on global warming or the dept of Agriculture over farming pesticides now allowed because Trump has allowed DDT's back into farming. How about our rights for information there? We pay for that research which means in my book it should be available for public knowledge.


JoyV wrote:
We should reduce our military even further than it has been starting with Bill Clinton.

We should negotiate with other nations in an apologetic fashion and position of weakness. Making sure all know we have NO intention of backing up our position militarily.

We should pay for other countries to consider reducing their carbon emissions. Pay them without any strings attached to how they spend the money.


Our military is so over indulged it is breaking the back of America.

Obama always acted in the most appropriate manner with others customs, if something were to be considered offensive to another country by our mistaken actions, then yes an apology is in order, that is the right thing to do, to respect their customs as they would respect ours.

JoyV wrote:
And that anyone in law enforcement who shoots someone, no matter how justified, be accused of murder. {When cops died protecting marchers who were chanting, "What Do We Want--Dead Cops. When Do We Want Them--Now" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon". Obama went to the memorial service of the police officers. That should have been a gesture of support for those cops who died saving the very people who called for their death. But when he spoke (and I watched the speech), he talked about police racism and police brutality. But that was OK with the left.}
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No police officer is accused of murder just because he shoots someone, a ridiculous comment. And this incident you speak of sounds completely mixed up with another incident, where black people were innocently killed by police officers, the last man shot 22 times, how many times has that happened over the past several years but since you've chosen to be vague to protect what you say I really can't comment.

JoyV wrote:
These are just a few of the things which I would consider UnAmerican.



If this is what you consider unAmerican it's no wonder where in the place we're in.
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Apr 22, 2018 17:38:45   #
Kevyn wrote:
During the moment of silence some kid is going to fart loudly or burp resulting in a five minute giggle session. Courses in world religions would help kids understand the cultures and beliefs of others but there is little chance fundamentalists will allow there kids to partake lest they decide another religion makes more sense to them.


There's no reason for both not to happen, things like this in the curriculum need to be spearheaded by the parents but some Christian activists would probably find it corrupting their children's mind. I think it is the perfect time for high school students, or middle for that matter to study world religions.
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Apr 22, 2018 17:24:05   #
bahmer wrote:
My word, you are agreeing with m,e I must have screwed up somewhere, what did I say that was wrong?


Yes this is a notable day, I did notice that too Whatdaya know...maybe you're seeing me as an individual and not just part of the mass.
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Apr 22, 2018 17:13:40   #
bahmer wrote:
The moment of silence has a possibility but I would like it to have a more meaningful end to it. The round robin would expose the children to others religions and there could be questions and answers with that as well. If we understand each other it could create a more harmonious atmosphere for the children and hopefully they would understand where each is coming from.


Yes exactly, I think that would be excellent. It would create a better understanding of each other and give them a feeling of acceptance between each other and possibly help the bullying issue.
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Apr 22, 2018 11:32:13   #
zillaorange wrote:
With out folks from ALL SIDES here, there'd be no point to OPP !


I like your point here
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Apr 22, 2018 11:28:40   #
bahmer wrote:
If you were to institute prayer in schools it would have to be with the parents approval of course. One way of doing it would be to take a survey of the different religions in a particular class and then go in a round robin sort of way and have each religion have its own prayer day where they would offer the prayers. The other students that participated would then sit silently and listen and pay them reverence when they prayed. The other solution would be to allow those that are not affiliated with said religion go out into the hall for some quiet time while the others of that faith prayed. I am sure there could be all kinds of creativity for this exercise.
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I appreciate your fairness here with the round robin, I think it would be a positive experience for the kids to view others practice, but my question is why can't we have a moment of silence for them all to either pray, meditate or daydream, it's their moment of silence which has already proved to be very beneficial, even just the daydreaming. I think it'd be great at work for a few minutes, it helps people destress which is the number one killer.
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Apr 22, 2018 11:15:56   #
archie bunker wrote:
The electoral college is Constitutional. Government controlled education isn't.

The Constitution is the law of the land. Unless some folks find it inconvenient to their dreams of total control.



Well arch I never said it wasn't, my point was the double standard from the poster.
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Apr 22, 2018 10:57:39   #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Well the debate falls apart for one simple fact: Christ was a teacher! So you won the argument. Congratulations!

On another valid note, I was researching Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle and found that thier conclusions were made whole when you include the teachings of Christ. Now if you were to eliminate the hostility of the nature of Mohammed in his teachings, the only conclusion is Christ's teaching which brings all religions together. Christ's teachings fulfill the Jewish teachings of the patriarchs, the heros, the judges and prophets of Israel as well as the Greek Philosophers and combines the roots of the orientation into one Christian belief.

Expanding upon that idea, and examining it more closely we come to find that it was inevitable that America would be formed based upon these principles.

By persecuting the persecuted, we get caught up in a Socrates paradox, "I know nothing, that is what I know"

My source for this thesis is the writings of the Greek Philosophers, the City of God by St Augustine as well as the Federalist papers- fromthe writings of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson,. Hamilton and James Madison and Ben Franklin. Other sources include George Washington and James Monroe.

After all this reading the one conclusion that must be made and is self-evident is that the human mind maybe able to separate religion from State in thought, but in practice, religion and state cannot be separated. For in action we are inheritantly religious. And when one opposes religion one is opposing it because they are religious.

Whew that was deep....enjoy.
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Slight correction, Thomas Jefferson, was not present just as he wasn't also for the signing of the Declaration Of Independence, nor was Ben Franklin and John Adams. James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, with assistance from John Jay, wrote a series of essays to persuade people to ratify the Constitution. The 85 essays, known collectively as “The Federalist Papers”, which detailed how the new government would work, and was published under the pseudonym Publius (Latin for “public”) in newspapers across the states starting in the fall of 1787.
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Apr 22, 2018 10:12:12   #
maximus wrote:
Seems like I feel the need to retort this poster about once per week. Our country is based on the M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y. If 86% of the M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y want to hear a prayer at a ball game( plus another 10% who don't believe but have no problem with those who do) then why can't the M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y do so? Or have a morning prayer in school? Because prayer is like smoking...not in any public building...only in designated areas.....better yet, just keep it to yourself.
The M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y(meaning the largest (biggest) number of people) are restricted from prayer by the M-I-N-O-R-I-T-Y ( the smallest ( itsi bitsi) number pf people). Also, YOU are foisting YOUR belief that those like you should be able to discuss and belittle the beliefs of the M-A-J-O-R-I-T-Y because you believe that you are too smart to believe in God. (Both are a belief system.) The only difference is that one is doomed to fail, and it ain't gonna be mine !!!
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Somehow Trump voters feel the electoral college vote is good, as they see it as not forcing the opinion of the masses onto the minority, yet here you feel the opposite, the masses should be able to force prayer onto others.

That's correct... keep it to yourself, there are many different religions, and silence for praying is perfectly acceptable and I feel certain the message is heard.
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Apr 22, 2018 09:22:37   #
JoyV wrote:
So if it had happened under Trump's watch,he's corrupt or worse. The only difference is the date this happened. So try being fair and give Trump the same benefit of the doubt you would Obama. You'll note that though I am a Trump supporter; I didn't immediately conclude Obama had an ulterior motive without evidence. Check your prejudices before sending..



You are repeating yourself now, my prejudice against Trump has already been long formed, being from NY, which is why I never voted for him but he has confirmed my opinion and substantiates it for me everytime he speaks, spewing more lies, not to forget to include all of the unethical actions he practices in his work, as now tying his businesses into making millions as president,( why he's not been called out on that I have no idea) as far as prejudices, I've read other posts of yours, so I wouldn't get so sanctimonious.

I'll give you that this happened not only under Obama but as I said before Congress pays for the purse strings Congress appropriates the funds and chooses to cancel certain programs, not Obama, Obama wanted to expand the transparency. As far as I can tell neither one of us has all the facts yet, and they created that scenario with that full intention, mpo. This entire CBO as far as I see is a faux CBO and in name only.

This country is falling under a Nationalists fascist wit this president more than any other president in the history of the US, thanks to all who were foolish enough to believe is his anti-American tripe. But when I say anti-American you probably don't know what I'm talking about. You would follow him into a war against other Americans simply because we don't follow the neo far-right radicals. You're even against people of your own party, from centralist to so-called Rinos to now central conservatives.
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Apr 21, 2018 21:00:07   #
kankune wrote:
Come on Morgan. Answer Joys question......


Such the little cheerleader, Trump is scum...and unless he levitates to heaven I haven't changed my mind on that and doubtful I ever will. You really need to try and grow up just a little...sweety
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Apr 21, 2018 20:57:07   #
JoyV wrote:
Look back in past years before Trump was president and you'll see thew defense spending was even smaller. And you still didn't say where your figures and pie chart came from. Btw, the CFFR, including online query system, was terminated in 2012. But of course that was Trump's fault wasn't it.

The Federal Financial Statistics program was terminated effective with the FY 2012 budget. The termination of the program results in the elimination of the Consolidated Federal Funds Report (CFFR), including the publication, downloadable data, and the On-Line Query System, as well as the annual Federal Aid to States Report (FAS). https://www.census.gov/library/publications/time-series/cffr.html
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You are correct, I did assume it was recent, I'm pretty sure I was on that site more recent than 2012, it was great for just the numbers-facts. we're all screwed, it is so hard to trust anything written. I read in researching this, that the Obama Administration’s 2012 budget appendix includes a request to expand the Census Bureau’s research and production capabilities in some areas and a requested to reduce them in others. It does not name exactly what is to be terminated but only what is to be expanded. That he did this to consolidate programs and have more transparency? Statistics and charts makes things easier to read and clear-cut, why they would close this is illogical.

I'm throwing my hands up here and will have to look into this further tomorrow, though I still disagree with the spending chart I appreciate you pointing this out to me. Let's not also forget our president, for the most part, was a sitting duck to the Republican majority, not sure how that all played out in the details of it. Obama may have asked for one thing and got another.
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