Poverty, religion, and culture cannot be separated out. Religion and culture are part of the strategies that people employ to survive in difficult places. If you can raise living standards population takes care of itself. Western nations are an example. Most of them have a declining population problem. Their birth rates are too low. Japan in reality is a Western nation and has that problem. One of the reasons for it's aggression in the early 20th century up to WW2 was it's high birth rate. Now it is peaceful and rich and it's birth rate is too low.
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If it can be done in Japan, it can be done anywhere. I agree that in certain regions when economic times are good certain cultures and religions raise their birth rates instead of using prosperity to make permanent improvements in living standards.

Which brings me back to one of my central points. If over population in certain parts of the globe is a primary factor in poverty and suffering, then why are liberals so jacked up to raise the population densities of North America ?

Son,

The world population has never been static.

It has been increasing exponentially for centuries.. Some nations have put birth limits on their citizens.. China most importantly.. they now have removed those limits..

Population growth is the fact behind nearly all of our world problems..

Now with Climate change cutting back on the effect of the green revolution, places like India and densely populated areas will have even more pressure to move or go to war..

All because people love to procreate.. Birth control must become a requirement..How do you feel about that?

So you deny that there is a physical limit to population levels in third World nations ? I say there is. Granted those limits change over time. They can go up or down, but there are only so many people who can live within a limited area. As the population reaches that maximum, the death rates go up. People crowded together deal with more crime, war, environmental problems.

" All because people love to procreate.. Birth control must become a requirement..How do you feel about that? "

I agree. Poor people reproduce faster than rich people. Poor nations will have higher birth and death rates than richer nations. The solution is not to bring masses of poor people into the US. The solution is to raise living standards in poor nations and that will naturally bring birth rates down.

" No, I'm afraid not, what is the difference in his carbon footprint whether he is illegal or not? Not t mention I cannot agree to that because I don't know where or how he lives. He may live in a cardboard box, and bikes or takes the bus to the farm, who knows maybe he hitchhikes on the back of an occupied flatbed truck. Sorry no, I can't agree, but hey you make me happy also, just in the fact of acknowledging a carbon footprint, how very progressive of you. "

Forget about the illegal part for just one micro second. I am saying that it makes a huge difference where a person lives in how much CO2 they emit. A person living in a primitive country where likely they are living a simpler life style will not be producing much CO2 compared to that same person now living in the US with heating, air conditioning, a motor vehicle, and consuming all of the luxuries that are now necessities.

Do you actually still deny that this person just by consuming more and living a higher living standard produces more Carbon emissions as an American ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

No problem.

Lets say a nation has a population limit of 1 million people. This theoretical country is at it's carrying capacity. When numbers go over, death rates from all causes go up to bring the population back down. Over time, death rates balance birth rates and within 5 or 10 % the population is stable. High birth rates mean high death rates. You can argue with that but, as a general principal I think it is valid. So now lets move 200,000 to the United states. The US sees an increase of 200,000. The former nation now has a population hole that in a short time will be filled, either by a decreased death rate, because with more space living conditions temporarily improve or an increased birth rate. So in no time those 200,000 are replaced in their former homeland. With the US increase, the Earth has 200,000 more souls than before.

In North America, US, Canada, and Mexico we are nowhere near our maximum Carrying capacity. Birth rates in North America are low. Population increases are primarily due to increases in immigration. I think environmental and living conditions will seriously deteriorate, like in California, as we get closer to that limit.

" As far as the future when you won't be here, don't we have an obligation and responsibility of what we do today to protect the stability of the future and future generations? "

I agree. The problem is we do not agree that Green House gases are a problem. We sure as heck do not agree on any solutions. I also see that everyone who believes in this crapola generally wants others to bear the burdens of their caring for the planet. Plus I can quite easily point out Left Wing wet dreams that contribute to Global Warming far more than me driving my car.

Again most of the rich Global Warmers are the absolute biggest hypocrites who ever walked this melting planet. Examples, Liberals jetting around emitting all kinds of green house gases on their way to Global Warming conferences, where they pat each other on the butt, issue end of the world proclamations, and then continue in their rich guy/girl life styles.

Now here is my favorite piece of Global Warming hypocrisy, of which only I am sounding the alarm. If I believed in Global Warming then anything that caused a long term spike in Carbon Emissions I would oppose. Everybody laughs at this, but so far nobody on your side has the brains or the guts to disprove it. I say illegal immigration causes man made Global Warming. Prove me wrong ! ! ! ! In their own countries illegals emit far less carbon than when they become Americans. Plus where ever they leave they are replaced in the population because now they have created space. They then increase the population in America, which increases the total population of Mother Earth, and thus more people, more Global Warming.

Irrefutable logic that mass illegal immigration causes Global Warming. Of course the same Liberals who are for illegal immigration also believe in Global Freaking Warming. No way will they back down from supporting illegal immigration. So therefore Global Warming is really not that big of a deal even to the hard core crazies.

Now here is where you just proclaim my statements nuts and run away from the debate. It has always happened. Nobody on your side has ever tried to shoot down my arguments. Never.

You imply we are one in the same???kankune, Joy and myself?! Thats rich for sure...

Sorry, sweety, I have been Linda joy the entire time since joining ...Unlike you,I can speak just as I do under one name not three like you have done, (remember your admission) along with your different alter egos as well..(not admitted before). You are suspect because changing monikers is something you do to hide away the embarrassment you create under those other names...

I have no hesitation in going to admin asking if they will check to see if I am on here under any other name and share their findings .. Rest assured I am one person under one name..You, however are not...Shall we take the challenge and do so??! Or should I just post your previous admission??

I will request that you leave my name out of threads or posts I am not even involved in and that you cease with your detogatory comments!! Just as you said when attacked you will give like right back... You should then fully understand my rebuttal as well.. What a sneaky little insecure individual-it is that would attack another person not even in the thread..
You don’t like conversing with me but you have no problem bashing me in threads..Quite hypocritical....but typical of how you roll...

So if you believe what you said above: her personal remarks, and frankly, no one wants to hear that kind trivial tripe , why do you offer your trivial tripe bashing others not even in the thread?? This thread a perfect example .... Its ok if Morgan degrades people and calls them names but not for others to defend your false statements?? Ok then got it.... Hypocritical as it is Got it!!!

As for Kankune and Joy I will leave it to them to answer you as they see fit..