Blade_Runner wrote:
The Arab/Israeli conflict began with the Jaffa riots in 1921, and except for brief periods of relative peace, it has been going on ever since.
The land once known as Canaan or Palestine or the Promised Land had been the home of the Jews for at least 20 centuries before Islam was founded in 632 AD.
In 1010 BCE, King David established the Kingdom of Israel, 1600 years before the advent of Islam.
Beginning in the 19th century, archeological expeditions in Israel and surrounding areas have uncovered thousands of sites, hamlets, villages, temples, burial grounds, tombs, wells, and millions of artifacts--pottery, coins, amulets, scrolls, carvings, and many other items, all of which revealed a Hebrew presence in the land, some dating back to 1500 BCE, Then there are the Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in the Qumran Caves by a Bedouin shepherd boy. These date back to the 3rd century BCE.
Nothing, not one artifact, was ever found there that revealed that a people called "Palestinians" ever lived there, nothing indicated a Palestinian culture, language, tradition or physical presence of any kind.
Israel map throughout history
The name "Palestinian" referring to a collection of Arabs from the area in and around Trans Jordan was first used in 1964AD.
The vast literature proving the historic Jewish connection to the Land of Israel has been extensively manipulated and distorted as part of the Palestinian politics of nationalism. Propaganda, indoctrination, and socialization, both domestically and internationally, are essential parts of the strategy and tactics of asserting Palestinian nationhood and statehood. By appropriating to themselves the values, traditions, and historical facts that belong to the Jews, Palestinians have managed to fabricate a "legitimate" history and political traditions out of nothing while denying those of Israel.
Founding National Myths: Fabricating Palestinian History
I understand your argument, you are a progressive ideologue, and as such you are by default an anti-Semite. So go ahead and politicize and proselytize and propagandize the existence and rights of a great people who are now and have always been in an existential struggle against extinction.
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Let me start by reminding you that my first response on this thread was to defend the Jews. I stated that we can't blame the Jews for Israeli aggression against Palestinians and proceeded to identify Zionists as the culprits (not all Jews but some Jews, not all Christians but some Christians).. So you need to start paying attention to what people say instead of assuming the same tired old arguments.
And no, being a progressive doesn't "automatically" make me anything. Perhaps that's hard for you to fathom since the flock model of the extreme right is saturated with automated opinions. It's a little different for free thinkers. You should try it.
And since we're nit-picking semantic history, let me also point out that the term "Semitic" refers to a linguistic group that came out of Africa and the Middle East and that includes the original Jews AND the Arabs. So when someone is sticking up for the Palestinians, they are not technically being anti-Semitic.
As for the Jewish right to the land... think about this... if the Jews have a right to call the land their own because the once had a kingdom there thousands of years ago, then by the same logic we should be giving America back to the Indians. Ancient history is good for references but it's not a legal book of rights and what matters is how people are treated today, not what happened thousands of years ago.
So, after all your irrelevant fussing, I'm just going to restate my original agreement with the OP... Indeed, the way Zionist Israel is treating the Palestinians is a violation of human rights and it makes themselves and all their Christian supporters that much less "human". Try as you might, you can't justify these violations of human rights by fussing over ancient history.