Right on Scooter... It's always good to remind people not to get too excited about anonymous posts.

LOL - well, I was referring to his face in the picture but, OK.


Yeah, it's pretty typical Fox stuff. "When the facts can't - there's always the rant." LOL. I went to the second minute and it's just Gut-feel... ranting about some weird assertion that the Democrats are saying we have to impeach the president to see what he did wrong (hilarious) I kept rewinding to the first minute expecting to see the clip of Schiff actually saying that. It's not there. Really BIG surprise.

I don't spend a lot of time trying to analyse Fox propaganda but I suspect they are recycling their previous out-of-context platinum hit from when Pelosi was talking about the way Republicans were masking the proposed ACA with all kinds of lies about what it is and basically joked that the only way *some* people will ever get to the truth about the ACA is if it actually passes because it's harder to lie about the law once it's written in the stone.

I actually saw this pop up in another thread where someone actually suggested that Pelosi said we have to impeach Trump to find out what he did. She never said any such thing.

And you guys call Dems the liars? tsk, tsk.



Yeah... I gotta go. 'Things to do. I can't watch Fox clips on YouTube all day. If you have an actual argument let me know.

LOL - was that good for you sharky?

JW - you and I have had some HEATED debates. Hard to imagine anyone getting so heated about nothing. ;)

Sorry max - I didn't know you guys were still talking about me. ;)

Just so you know, my attendance here is not entirely consistent. I have a lot going on in the physical world but I DO try to finish my conversations when I can.

Of course, when I come back to do that and find all these exchanges behind my back about how my "contributions mean nothing" it kinda gives your extended hand a less than genuine feel. Just saying.

Anyway...


Cool... I don't remember asking about that but OK... I liked that movie too. I'm something of a cheesy 50's Sci-Fi buff. ;)


By all means max... this was the point I was making earlier about focusing on the political discussion instead of getting caught in the ad hominem fallacy trap. To be honest I don't remember actually calling you names but I will continue to avoid it.

Yes, I think we have some opposing views. So if we continue to discuss politics we're probably going to get frustrated with each other from time to time. You realize that, right? May I also suggest that if one of us thinks the other is being insulting that we keep in mind it may not always be intentional. I really do believe that half this battle is that people choose to be insulted. So maybe just a nudge, like "eh, that seems a little insulting there pal." - rather than hijacking the thread to launch a panel discussion about a poster's character. Yeah?

Enjoy your Saturday bro.

Agreed... it's human nature. So is the tendency for that irritation to lower the tolerance for banter. In other words, *sometimes* the "bad behavior" is in the eye of the beholder.

Do you remember what started all this? LOL - I'm not even sure I do, but I started to notice the attacks on my "bad behavior" after I responded to Doug61's tirade of unfounded insults which included a statement about a decorated veteran who earned a purple heart while serving his country, that went like this... "Mr [not Lt. Colonel] Vindman is a jackass in uniform and deserves to be shot as a spy after being stripped of his rank."

So... I decided to keep it light and i said... "Aw, you're upset. Wanna tissue?"

Now as you know, people are different. I married into large Irish-American family with a culture of humorous banter that would bruise the sensibilities of a person with a different nature and after 35 years, I suppose it's become part of who I am. And before you say it - yes, I know - this is a political discussion forum, not my Irish-American family. But here's my feeling on that... If you're going to launch such vile insults about people you shouldn't expect people to kid-glove their responses.

As it turns out, Doug61 never responded. Either he never saw my response or he just walked away from it, which may have been the better thing to do, but that's when debeda chimed in to say I sound like a twit... to which *I* didn't respond because... why? Right? But I guess by that time the vendetta was on and next thing I know I'm being treated to an intervention to address my "rudeness".

I guess, what I'm saying is if people are going to engage in political discussions it's not a good idea to expect every conversation to be tea with the Queen. Again, I'm not suggesting we also tolerate direct insults; even my Irish-American family can see THAT difference, even after 3 six-packs of brew and two bottles of whiskey. ;)

You made some points in your post that I don't agree with entirely but unless any of it is something you really want me to address, I think I'll just let all that slide.


So do I. The band I play with now is Irish traditional (we call it Celtic-Trad because it's really Scottish and English too... jigs and reels but people usually know what I mean when I say Irish. The flute player's brother is in an Irish rock band and sometimes I break out my electric and play with them. It's mostly therapy for me ;)

Yeah, I honestly didn't think the Holocaust reference would have been so difficult for people to get. Maybe if they took a little more effort to understand what I posted instead of jumping to the opportunity to slam me. lol


It's not - again... you missed the reference and therefore the context. Don't worry about it.


Please what? It's not like America doesn't have a history of ethnic cleansing. It's not like we can't hear the chatter from a rise of white nationalism. I'm not suggesting it will happen tomorrow, but I am suggesting that the entire Trumpian policy on immigration is riding on a wave of racial resentment.


So... the Dreamers are apparently less prone to crime than native-born Americans are. That's precisely what the statistic tells us and that's pretty much the point I am making.


Sure, we can all take wild guesses about causes and alternate realities, but read the title of this thread... The point of the original post is clearly resting on the bottom line, which is where I put my response.


You might want to take your own advise smarty-pants. That 10% in the title is a very close match to the .98% reported under a metric commonly called the "incarceration rate" and there really isn't any other source for connecting DACA recipients to crime... What Fox is showing you (inadvertently, I'm sure) is that you don't have to mention the name of the statistic to get data from it.

(Fox and "critical reading" - lol)


How the hell is that related to the difference between two incarceration rates? 'Care to explain that one?


Yeah smart-ass, I think everyone knows that. And we DO vote for the people we think will change the laws and guess what? We also TALK about the issues before we vote. You got a problem with that? Should we tell all those pro-lifers that abortion is legal so shut up about it until it's time to vote?

I dunno Canuckus Deploracus, it seems you try to be rational about things but maybe you get a little too eager to argue. Try slowing down a little. ;)

Oh look... we got the whole gang here crowd-sourcing the shame train because they all missed the reference - lol

"Padre"Mike - how ya doin'? - we haven't talked in a while.


Who are "you folks" and what rules are they creating outside of Congress, the legislative branch?


okaaay.

Well, I thought the "Frauline" part would have made it more obvious that it was a reference to Nazi Germany not Ellis Island... But hey, at least you got to call me a person of "self-styled intelligence." ;)

So, is this an attempt to convince us we should kick all the DACA recipients out? Wanna toss the Jews out too? I'm sure some of them are also criminal. Nothing like a little ethnic cleansing. Isn't that right, Fraulein?

According to the CATO institute, DREAMers had an incarceration rate of 0.98 percent in 2015 (Fox "News" probably just rounded up.). What's interesting is that the native-born incarceration rate is even higher at 1.12%.

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/dreamer-incarceration-rate

So what does THAT tell you?

I have no idea what you mean, but OK.

If you're not interested in a rebuttal why even post? Just so you can insult people then run away? Well, guess what - I'm posting a rebuttal anyway, so deal with it.

Permafrost is right on the money. We can't help it if you and your pals can't put 2 and 2 together. There is already enough evidence to impeach the retard today - we don't even need anymore. At this point it's just a formality that we listen to all the testimonies.

Look, we know about that hard core 30% that worships Trump the way North Koreans worship Kim Jong Un. We know that you will NEVER accept his impeachment. But we also know that the House WILL impeach him, we're pretty sure the Senate will vote to save him and we're also pretty sure that he will lose the election in 2020 (unless the Republicans or their buddies the Russians find another way to cheat).

It's hard to say what will happen next, but I'm pretty confident in predicting the sentiments won't change much, but I think we will see the cells divide. The more sensible conservatives will probably join the moderate Democrats in defending the Republic, but out of that 30% I mentioned we might see a number factions emerge, one of them will be fascist white nationalist movement and if they ever get a real man for a leader instead of an incompetent man-baby they could pose a serious threat to our democracy.

This is what I've been saying about ALL the accusations the Republican are flinging around. If you have evidence or credible accusations go nuts!

Just because the alt-right is apparently more interested in defending their party than in true justice doesn't mean that we are.


Specifically, Article II, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution! "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."


He is certainly getting his ass kicked - I'm not so sure it's the first time in his life, but it could be the first time his money won't save him.

One of the complaints I hear from Trump supporters is that the Dems are trying to impeach him simply because they hate him. I want to address that...

Yes, a lot of people hate Trump - all around the world in fact. It's quite possible that he is the most hated president in history. But it's not because of his stupid hair. People hate him because of what he says and what he's done. He is without a doubt the most disrespectful, ignorant and immature president in history and an embarrassment to the the American people who elected him. But much worse is his inhumane treatment of immigrants AND his attacks on the systems that the American working class depends on. I'm sorry if working class Trump supporters are too brainwashed to see how they are getting screwed but Trump has consistently endorsed new laws that take away their rights, such as the right to be represented in court when filing work-related grievances, he helped the Freedom Caucus sabotage Obamacare and offered these idiotic "skinny-plans" in their place. His 2017 tax plan essentially took billions of dollars out of the Republic and put it in the pockets of the wealthy class and now we have a $14 trillion debt that our children are going to have to deal with. Seriously, I could go on for pages, but I think people get the point.

On every turn, the Republicans (or more specifically, the Freedom Caucus) pulls out the smoke and mirrors to try and fool the American people into thinking they aren't being screwed. But it's only working on 30, maybe 40% of the people. So yeah, that leaves a LOT of pissed off Americans.

So yes, we want to impeach Trump because of all those things he did to hurt us and our children for the benefit of greed.

But that doesn't take anything away from the Articles of Impeachment. It just so happens that sometimes crooks eventually get caught and in this case, the Republicans have run out of smoke and mirrors to hide the crime.

So, yeah - people WANT Trump to be impeached because they hate him and for good reasons, but he is BEING impeached because there is clear evidence that he violated the Constitution.

Ooooh... I hope you don't hurt yourself when your bubble pops.

Well, I'm sure not every company is the same Parky. Maybe if you worked at a different company or in a different industry you wouldn't have that chip on your shoulder.