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Nov 27, 2019 10:11:33   #
Airforceone wrote:
Hey Trump shut your GD mouth or show up with your advisors and testify if you have done everything perfect.

Getting sick and tired of you and the Republican Party spreading Russian propaganda.


I agree... Let's cut the crap.

Trump has been telling people under his command NOT to testify. He may as well be confessing his sins.

It's very simple... if you are NOT guilty... if you have NOTHING to hide there is no better way to prove your innocence than to testify under oath.

And yet, Team Trump has been pulling every stop they can grasp in an effort NOT to cooperate with the legal proceedings. None of their lame-ass excuses can stand up to the glaring effect of refusing to testify in a public hearing.

So, I'm done with the crap. At this point, Trump's guilty behavior alone is enough to suggest he can't be trusted and the real argument that remains is whether or not your politics is extreme enough to accept an unworthy criminal in office.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:43:11   #
Barracuda2020 wrote:
You are correct, I didn't realize my response was to you, with that said, after reading your link, I'll ask you again, how were white Europeans discriminated against? Your article states...

snip to your link...

An Argument Based on Egalitarianism

"The law was just unbelievable in its clarity of racism," says Stephen Klineberg, a sociologist at Rice University. "It declared that Northern Europeans are a superior subspecies of the white race. The Nordics were superior to the Alpines, who in turn were superior to the Mediterranean's, and all of them were superior to the Jews and the Asians."

Please explain how they are discriminated against?
You are correct, I didn't realize my response was ... (show quote)


I wouldn't hold your breath for an answer bro...

My family migrated here in 1963, two years before the Immigration Act of 1965. We were given red carpet treatment because a) my father had skills and was invited here by the aerospace industry b) we were from Northern Europe. We actually got to cut in front of all those Italians and Jews because we were legally cataloged as a superior race. Stephen Klineberg was 100% correct and it wasn't until Johnson signed the Immigration Act that the unapologetic language of racism was removed from the law, forcing the racists to operate covertly, through misleading narratives.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:27:09   #
drlarrygino wrote:
The dems love illegals. In fact they prefer anything illegal over anything moral.

So you think legal and moral are the same thing?

drlarrygino wrote:

The party of theft, criminality, marxism, drug abuse and child trafficking and pedophilia should be put on the pile of refuse in American history.

LOL... You do realize that most of the people on this site are over 12 years of age, right?
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Nov 27, 2019 09:08:59   #
Rose42 wrote:

No, its not that simple. The seed was planted and its taken root.

I think in this case, you're the one making this more simple than it is. I am suggesting that any ground the extremists gained from the bans on semi-automatics are a result of efforts by others who don't share the same end-goal. You seem to be suggesting it's all just one big plan.

Have a little more faith in people Rose... Not everyone is an extremist, but if you fall for extremist narratives that pound independent media, you're not going to see that.

Rose42 wrote:

The people running the movements know what they’re doing. Just because they’re fanatics or whatever you want to call them doesn’t mean they’re stupid. Just the opposite. Most are easily lulled and manipulated. After all who doesn’t want to save lives or help animals?

I never said they were stupid, but I AM saying they are vastly outnumbered by moderate voters. I believe this is the case on both sides of the partisan divide. Not just the hyperVegans on the left but the neoNazis on the right too. The advantages they have in the media (extreme stories sell) simply do not reflect the reality of their disadvantages in the ballot.

Rose42 wrote:
And Everytown

Maybe, maybe not... From what I've seen so far, Everytown seems focused on opposing the NRA on current ballot measures which I largely support. Also, I don't see any mention anywhere in their literature that suggests anything more ambitious such as an overturn of the second amendment or the disarming of America, nor do I see the same kind of fabricated smear campaigns that I see coming from the NRA on a regular basis.

Trust me, if the extremists that you seem so convinced are taking the left by storm ever got to the point of seriously challenging the second amendment I would join their opponents. We can't let the extremist control the way WE behave through their vendoring of excessive fear and "slippery-slope" paranoia. Stop listening to them and be free to make your own rational decisions!
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Nov 27, 2019 00:41:41   #
Rose42 wrote:
I never assumed you wanted a ban and it would be a pretty inane assumption of someone who has guns would it not?

Cool, then you know better than to lump us all in the same bag.

Rose42 wrote:

I only personally know of a few people who do want all guns banned. There are most definitely those who want them all banned and they are gaining ground.

Yeah, I'm not saying that isn't happening, but I'm not seeing it. It's hard for me not to assume that's an alarmist narrative.

Rose42 wrote:

Even 10 years ago you’d never have heard of anyone calling for a ban on semi autos yet thats gaining traction. I’m not paranoid or fearful. I’m aware and I see the numerous parallels between them and animal rightists. Its very real whether you want to see it or not.

I think the ban on semi-automatics is the result of people who just wanted to ban semi-automatics. You could say those demanding a ban on ALL guns have gained ground as a result, but I don't think they would get the same boost for banning all firearms.

As for the parallel you keep bringing up with animal activists... yeah, extremists are everywhere. In reality, not ALL animal activists or gun control advocates are fanatics. However, encouraging the notion that they ARE helps to discredit their movements in the eyes of the public.

Rose42 wrote:

There are those who are in it to do some good - the everyday people. Then there are those running it who know exactly what they’re doing and how to temper their rhetoric and use people.

Yes, like the NRA.
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Nov 27, 2019 00:18:18   #
archie bunker wrote:
Specifically, what type of gun "control" are you talking about?

I'm not against it, as long as it's reasonable, and what I've read about everytown is mostly unreasonable to me.

For example, If I want to pass my grandad's gun to my son, that should be it. It's a family heirloom just like a broach, ring, or pair of earrings.


Hi arch... good question. The way I see it, there are two things that can be regulated to "control" the level of safety. The guns or the people. Since I am more concerned about a government that tracks it's citizens than I am about the selection of guns on the legal market, I prefer we regulate the guns.

For me the guideline is simple... Kill capacity. I don't imagine we can seriously END gun violence. But I think we can reduce it, maybe not the number of attacks but certainly the number of casualties per attack, by just limiting the kill capacity of firearms available on the legal market.

I think that line is worth the trade off because I think most gun owners are probably fine with their low-capacity weapons. It's only the collectors, dealers and "bad asses" that get shafted by this approach.

So, in your scenario, it would not be illegal to pass your gun to your son, so long as it's a legal weapon.
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Nov 26, 2019 17:22:24   #
permafrost wrote:
Thanks, I am wondering how many even read what I posted.. I thought it was pretty easy to understand but some do not get the point..

It WAS easy to understand and my bet is that some of those who "didn't get it" actually do, but don't want to admit that you have a point. As you know, politics is weird that way.

permafrost wrote:

Oh well... soon be thanksgiving and the house will be full and I will not care for a few days...

Have a nice evening...

LOL - yeah... it's good to take a vacation from the bickering. I'm about to head for band practice where I hang with these four Trump fans but we rarely even mention politics, we just play music... It's SO nice.
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Nov 26, 2019 17:02:33   #
Rose42 wrote:
I pay no attention to the NRA and I’m not against some control.

You can tell me all you want but you are dead wrong and its no joke.

Here's the thing Rose... When you are actively supporting something for one reason and someone else says that you are supporting it for a different reason. Who do you suppose the real authority on that matter is?

If you KNOW your eyes are blue and some anonymous guy comes online and tells you they're brown, who do you think really knows the truth?

I just told you that I am an advocate of gun control and that I am NOT asking for a complete disarming of America. I think I know my own position, so yes, the idea that we ALL want to keep regulating until all guns are illegal IS in fact, a joke.

Now, maybe you're only referring to a subset. Well, I can't speak for ALL advocates of gun control. Maybe there ARE some "nuts" as you call them that DO want to disarm America. But if we keep defining political movements by their worst examples or our own paranoia, our democracy will not be able to accomplish anything.

As it is, of the 20 or so gun control advocates that I know personally, not ONE of them wants to disarm America. I'm not saying those people don't exist, I'm just getting tired of our perfectly reasonable arguments being ignored because people are obsessed with this idea that we are all part of a conspiracy to disarm America.
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Nov 26, 2019 15:38:48   #
Rose42 wrote:
That is the soft sell because who doesn’t want to save lives? Much like animal rightists claim all they want is to help animals when their real agenda is total animal liberation from humans. They are successful at chipping away because most people want to help animals.

There is no difference. No sane person wants either case but the nuts will never stop and no regulation will ever be enough.


LOL - I don't think so Rose... Speaking for myself (a gun owner since I was 16) I would like some regulation and as someone who just donated $5K to EveryTown to battle the NRA, I am very much a gun-control advocate and I'm telling you... your little theory on gun-control is a joke.
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Nov 26, 2019 15:28:49   #
permafrost wrote:
each time we have a conversation about the wall, which has a total of zero new miles, 76 repaired miles and less then one mile built by a private party, the wall supporters insist that trump and therefore they fully support legal immigration and we need to mind what they say.. and trump would never lie..

But what is the truth?

with what seems like a never ending effort, changing of information, paper work and the true status becomes very much a formidable paper wall to those legal immigrants who trump claims to be valuable immigrants desired by the nation


some facts on the further results of the real reprobate in the oval office..


In the two years after Trump took office, denials for H1Bs, the most common form of visa for skilled workers, more than doubled. In the same period, wait times for citizenship also doubled, while average processing times for all kinds of visas jumped by 46 percent, even as the quantity of applications went down. In 2018, the United States added just 200,000 immigrants to the population, a startling 70 percent less than the year before.

Before Trump was elected, there was virtually no support within either party for policies that make it harder for foreigners to come here legally. For decades, the Republican consensus has favored tough border security along with high levels of legal immigration. The party’s small restrictionist wing protested from the margins, but it was no match for a pro-immigration coalition encompassing business interests, unions and minority groups. In 2013, then-Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions introduced an amendment that would have lowered the number of people who qualified for green cards and work visas. It got a single vote in committee—his own. As a former senior official at the Department of Homeland Security observed, “If you told me these guys would be able to change the way the U.S. does immigration in two years, I would have laughed.”
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Well stated bro...

I don't think there is any room for doubt, especially after studying the history of immigration policy in the U.S.

Trump and his minions have made it so obvious that it makes me wonder about the people that continue to support his policies. Are they racist, ignorant or indifferent? Those seem to be the only possible choices.
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Nov 26, 2019 14:21:14   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Gun control sucks. A hidden agenda never ceases.
Ask Australians about the gun confiscation that happened in their country.


Gun control is an effort to save lives. There *IS* no hidden agenda and this isn't Australia.
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Nov 26, 2019 14:18:25   #
bilordinary wrote:
FUJIMO

...and so mature.
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Nov 26, 2019 14:14:01   #
nygal wrote:
Nazis think problems are caused by Jews.

Communists think problems are caused by businesses.

Libertarians think problems are caused by the government.

Fascists think white people should have kids to be raised to kill Jews and then after a few generations Jews will be dead.

One reason Jews have been so successful is that they have taken over the world without firing a shot by playing the victim. Jews control Wall Street, Hollywood, the media, and the government.

Hitler tried to take over Europe with force and failed. The Jews have taken over Europe with the EU.

Racists have a huge challenge, but white people outnumber Jews.

Jews prevent white people from getting rich by calling threats racists nutjobs and then destroying Nazis with threats of censorship, boycotts, IRS audits, arrests, and murder.

White people can fight back by supporting racists.

White people should start movie studios, stock markets, websites, newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, and magazines. Use volunteers. Sponsor billboards. Start a white rights association modeled on the NAACP. Use art and music to promote freedom.

Move abroad.

Speak in code. Avoid hiring Jews. Sell publications as European Christian news instead of KKK or Nazi publications.

Praise places like Poland and Montana and criticize countries like Kenya and Mexico. Talk about morality, independence, balanced budgets, peace, and freedom.

Stay fit and sober.
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Wow, I thought this thread was dead a year ago. Oh wait, it was... But you decided to resurrect it with a rant against Jews this time, which has nothing to do with the original topic.

Anyway... Your post is a perfect example of the kind of Nazi-racism that Americans on the right are trying so hard to deny.
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Nov 26, 2019 10:49:09   #
byronglimish wrote:
Hillary is highly accomplished with the loser laugh too.

Oh, that SO informative AND relevant too! That changes everything! LOL!!!
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Nov 26, 2019 10:41:06   #
byronglimish wrote:
You are poorly informed. Many voters observed your phaggot Schitt Show.

You people are pushing voters to President Trump.


Aw... Maybe if you wish REALLY hard! LOL!

Yes, many voters saw the show, but the ONLY people that saw the way you apparently did are limited to that same 30%. The vast majority saw it the way I did...

...calm and collected Democrats going through the process of impeaching sh*tty president and desperate Republicans tripping over themselves and all their smoke machines and mirrors in clown-act efforts to obscure the obvious.
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