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Jan 12, 2020 00:21:27   #
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Thank you, thank you, thank you, well done and glad you had the time and energy to reply, I didn’t.

Yeah, I almost didn't either for the same reason.
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Jan 12, 2020 00:20:17   #
k7gco wrote:
There are too many Liberals with Self Imposed Artificial Intelligence that creates Excessive Artificial. Stupidity.

...but all that Artificial Stupidity was juuust what the Plutocracy needed to bridle the Self-Righteous Right with their lack of ANY Intelligence.

;)
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Jan 12, 2020 00:11:31   #
Carol Kelly wrote:
Depends on your opinion of breakfast burritos.

Well, ya got me there. ;)
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Jan 11, 2020 16:16:48   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Hm, I wonder if Straight Up and kevyn never mind I had to swallow a little puke myself just thinking about it. Remember Obammie having Soleitowelhead to the WH? Now why do you think that was? Drinks and moochey could see who had a bigger one? No, Kerry him and raghead worked on the Iran deal. Pretty lucrative for them. Not so for us at all, but then barry was a pussy and wanted to buy them off until the Shadow Government now the deep state was in place. Well a wrinkle, Solman was killed, throwing a monkey wrench into everything now the deep state has problems.
Hm, I wonder if Straight Up and kevyn never mind I... (show quote)

Well yes, I'm sure that makes things complicated for the "deep state" which is interested in controlling the area not sending it into chaos. I'm sure they took Trump aside to bitch slap him for the dumb move and that's probably why Trump is agreeing to de-escalate now.

Do you really think a two-bit real-estate developer can just take over the world's most dominant superpower and stand up to the deep state that's owned it for the last 80 years?

The deep state consists of smart people who know what they are doing and they won't have any problem with a useful idiot like Trump telling the people that he's against the deep state if it means the people will vote to keep him in office, so her can continue to to do their bidding.

It just amazes me that you people never think about things like this.
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Jan 11, 2020 16:04:27   #
Elmer Werth wrote:
I see straightup is from California. No more explanation needed.
Elmer Werth

Is that because stereotypes are always sufficient for bigotry?
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Jan 11, 2020 16:02:33   #
eagleye13 wrote:
"Eastwood is about as intelligent as a breakfast burrito." - hump back
You my dear; are not intelligent enough to know what a good breakfast burrito is

Dear? What are you gay? And what does intelligence have to do with personal taste in burritos?

eagleye13 wrote:

You; Being from England, makes that understandable.

People from England might not know, but I come from California where the breakfast burrito was invented. And what makes you an expert Mr Florida? You folks don't know the difference between salsa and ketchup.
;)
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Jan 11, 2020 14:33:59   #
Just for fun...
thebigp wrote:
I love when people call Trump Stupid..

That's such an obvious lie.

thebigp wrote:

You mean the multi-billionaire

You mean the guy who got over $400 million from daddy and was only able to grow that money to about $1.5 billion despite three decades of real-estate booms? ...The guy who counts another $1.5 billion in loans he is defaulting on as part of his $3 billion net worth? Hell, Trump would have made more money if he just left what his dad gave him in a mutual fund.

thebigp wrote:

who kicked every Democrats butt, buried 16 career Republican politicians, and continues to make fools out of once reputable news organizations ..

He didn't exactly kick every Democrats butt. Most Americans actually voted against him in 2016. And Trump is only making a fool of himself every time he attacks the media, which has time and time again proven him to be a compulsive liar.

thebigp wrote:

You mean the guy who won the presidency?

Yeah, the guy who couldn't have done it without the EC.

thebigp wrote:

You mean the guy with the super model wife?

Oh, the things money can buy.

thebigp wrote:

You mean the guy whose words alone put a massive slow down on illegal border crossings?

According to a little thing called reality, the biggest slow down on illegal border crossing happened under Obama and it's been declining ever since.

https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2020/1/11/t1-419854-2017_undoc_figure1_updated.jpg

Yeah, Trumps words alone. LOL

thebigp wrote:

You mean the guy whose mere presence made the stock market smash its previous records?

Time for another look at reality…

https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2020/1/11/t1-424169-ars_2020_01_11_macrotrends.jpg
Once again, you are crediting Trump for a trend that Obama already put in place. The stock market was already smashing records before Trump even got there.

thebigp wrote:

You mean the guy who created 1 million jobs in his first 7 months in office?

Trump didn't create those jobs. Companies did and there is no easy way of telling if the jobs those companies created were a result of anything Trump has done. The economy was already thriving.

thebigp wrote:

Are you sure you even know what it is you're resisting?

Absolutely.
I am resisting, the human rights violations committed by law enforcement under Trump's command.
I am resisting the brainless dismissal of environmental concerns.
I am resisting the relentless sabotage of the ACA that The People voted for and still want.
I am resisting the expansion of executive power that violates the Constitution.
I am resisting the stacking of the courts with conservative judges who will always chose money over people.
I am resisting the fleecing of the American middle-class for the benefit of the wealthy.
I am resisting the repeal of every hard fought protection for workers since 1935.
I am resisting the support for a president who has taught the world the U.S. can't be trusted to keep their promises.
I am resisting the call for more war and military spending.
I am resisting the unprecedented spending by the White House and consequential sky-rocketing of the national debt and
I am resisting the normalizing of crass politics and encouraged ignorance.

thebigp wrote:

Are you sure you back a party that enables the decimation of every core principal of Christianity?

I sure hope not... I know Christ was guiding people not governments. I have a LOT more respect for those who follow His example in their personal lives than I do for the people who want to use the Church to tell people what they can and can't do.

thebigp wrote:

Are you sure you back a party that voted 100% against the abolition of slavery?

I have no loyalty to any party because I know how fleeting they are. For instance, the Democrats that voted against abolition were die-hard conservatives that have since moved the Republican Party.

thebigp wrote:

Are you sure you really take a politician like Maxine Waters seriously?

I take any politician seriously. If I want something not serious, I'll go see a comedian.

thebigp wrote:

Are you sure you don't see anything wrong with someone who has a 40 yr career as a public servant living in a $4.5 mansion representing a district she doesn't even live in?

Yes, I am sure. Do YOU have a problem with that?

thebigp wrote:

Are you sure you see nothing wrong or peculiar about Hillary Clinton a woman being involved in politics for the last 30 yrs having a net worth of $240 million?

Yes, I am sure, Do YOU have a problem with that?

thebigp wrote:

Are you sure you're not just basing your opinion on hatred spewed by a crooked paid for media platform?

Absolutely.

thebigp wrote:

Could you even tell me 5 things the Democratic Party has done to improve you're day to day prosperity as a hard working American citizen?
Probably not..


1. Under Republican leadership the economy crashed in 2007 and I was out of work. Then Obama and the Democrats took over and by 2012 the economy was turning around and I was able to find contracts again. This did have a direct impact on my daily life. As a self-made man I don't really depend on the government for much else when it comes to my daily life but I recognize what the Democrats are doing for other people less fortunate or self-reliant than myself AND for future generations including my children AND for the reputation of my country. So…

2. The Democrats passed the ACA, which has provided millions of Americans with access to healthcare that didn't have it before, including my kids.

3. Obama's fiduciary rules helped protect millions of Americans from getting ripped off by crooked retirement fund managers. The rule was actually very simple. Fund managers have to promise to put the interests of their clients first. I have yet to see anyone on the right provide a single reason for Trump's reversal of this rule. By doing that Trump is basically saying fund managers can rip your grandma off if they want to.

4. Under Democratic leadership, the USA became a trusted and highly respected negotiator as Obama orchestrated an agreement with Iran, the EU, Russia AND China to put Iran's nuclear program under scrutiny. Trump called it a "bad deal" but never replaced it with anything better… nor any at all. Nor has Trump EVER managed to negotiate a deal with that many world powers. I don't think he has the capacity. But what Trump DID do is, a) rip up the contract (which undermined the trust other nations have in American integrity) slap harsh sanctions on Iran (which is creating havoc in that country, increasing the potential for blowback, not to mention a continuation of the nuclear program without any scrutiny whatsoever. This is just one example, but over-all the threat of nuclear war was way down when the Democrats were controlling policy. According to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists the threat of nuclear war has escalated to unprecedented levels since Trump took office.

5. Under Democratic leadership, we led the world in curbing the emissions responsible for global warming. We set examples and other nations aspired to be like us. So thanks to Democrats we have cleaner air and cleaner water than we would have had if left up to Republicans.

thebigp wrote:

Do you realize the debacle you are sending your children into once they become adults by continuing to support a political party that has done nothing for the poor except kept them poor, gave them free abortions, and a few hundred a month to keep food in their fridge?

Since when have abortions ever been free? What else is Clint-the-pretend-tough-guy embarrassingly ignorant about? The fact that the Democrats are constantly trying to help the poor against the will of the Republicans?

thebigp wrote:

The prosperity and safety of its citizens is job one of your government.
Get with the program.
Everyone else has horribly failed you!
Smarten up and take a position for the sake of your children.

The sake of my children's future is the biggest reason for my opposition to Trump.

thebigp wrote:

I promise you a country full of illegal immigrants, abortions, $15 an hour jobs, and non-gender specific people aren't gonna make your country and life any more prosperous.

Since most of the under-the-table jobs that illegal immigrants come here for are offered by Republicans I would blame Republicans for the immigration before I blame Democrats and since most abortions happen for economic reasons and the Republicans are more responsible for economic hardships than the Democrats are I would blame the demand for abortions on Republicans too. $15/hr jobs are better than slave-wages the Republicans are pushing for and I really don't see how non-gender specific people make any difference either way.

thebigp wrote:

Rosie, Madonna, Katy Perry, and Robert Deniro are not just like you. They don't have to live through the real world day to day disparity of an average American.

I'm glad you've been able to figure that one out. How long did THAT you Clint?

thebigp wrote:

Men don't hate women, white people don't hate black people, and Donald Trump is not a racist.

I actually know someone who hates women. He's one of those Trump fans down at the pub where I play music, but I usually avoid him because he likes to rant about how Democrats, immigrants and women are going to destroy America. I've also known some white people who have told me how much they hate black people. Finally, it's common for people on the left to use the term "racist" when they should be using the term "bigot" and it's common for people on the right to respond by hair-splitting the meaning of racism. Trump is a bigot. His words and his actions give that away quite clearly, and the whole, "but he isn't a racist because Mexican isn't a race" argument is childish at best.

thebigp wrote:

Stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by a party that has continuously failed you.

Huh… I thought you were addressing Democrats, not Republicans.

thebigp wrote:

Be about your prosperity, your safety, your children, and an America First mindset.

I don't need a stupid "America first" mindset to secure my prosperity and my safety or to raise my children.

thebigp wrote:

Dump these crooked politicians that have stunted your growth.

We plan to.

thebigp wrote:

Dump these crooked politicians that have stunted your children's growth.

We plan to.

thebigp wrote:

Toughen up, take a stand, and act like a proud American.

I'm tougher than you Mr. Hollywood. I AM taking a stand and I prefer to act like a smart human than a mindless twirp waving a stupid flag.

thebigp wrote:

See the spirit of Trump supporting and freedom loving Americans and just imagine where we could be as a country if everyone had the same priorities.

Trump is an errand boy for the plutocracy and a threat to the American worker. Any freedom-loving American with a brain is against Trump for that reason among many others and Clint… people will NEVER have the same priorities. Why don't you run along and find an empty chair to have a nice conversation with?
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Jan 11, 2020 11:15:26   #
Elmer Werth wrote:
It is nice to find some one with intelligence in Hollywood. It is unfortunate it doesn't happen often but it's very pleasing when it does.
Elmer Werth


Eastwood is about as intelligent as a breakfast burrito.
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Jan 11, 2020 11:12:24   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Actually, it was Pompeio who said it, Trump implied it is, leftist sources ignored it. My source is none of those.

OK... Well, I'm not sure it makes any difference if Pompeo said it while Trump only implied it and I still don't see any evidence to support your argument that "we we know he was planning a multi staged [attack] on at least four US embassies."
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Jan 11, 2020 10:38:52   #
jeff smith wrote:
bits and pieces of an entire story , history , can be manipulated to tell any ones tale as they want to express it . I do know that American political figures have helped in toppling governments in the middle east and other parts of the globe . I would think that the majority of these toppling's were as a influence from CORPORATE GREED . which by far does not make it right . I do think that we "America " should let people of other countries decide their own fate and the government that they want to live under . then working with there choices and their government , we would probably have a great relationship with them . trade travel or what ever .
bits and pieces of an entire story , history , can... (show quote)


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Jan 11, 2020 10:27:12   #
jeff smith wrote:
President Trump , is incompetent to do his job ?

That appears to be the case.

jeff smith wrote:

I do believe that you are sadly mistaken . seems to me he does it rather very well . he takes advice from his military , he then consults with his cabinet and advisores then makes a decision .

That's what every president does... It doesn't mean he actually follows the advice he gets and it doesn't mean the decisions he makes in the end are good ones either. What you just stated is no different than saying anyone who can get in a car, turn the key and reach the pedals is a good driver.

jeff smith wrote:

now there is two less terrorist leaders in this world .

And a far greater potential for hundreds more. Did you not think about that? Most of the people Soleimani was killing were in fact ISIS terrorists.

Have you ever wondered why the killing of al-Baghdadi didn't result in the same outrage? That's because no one has a problem when a confirmed terrorist is killed. But Soleimani was a general commanding the forces of an internationally recognized sovereign nation. That's makes things a little different because now we're talking about the potential violation of international law. And simply calling Soleimani a "terrorist", which has a lot more to do with excuses than facts, doesn't change that.

jeff smith wrote:

not a declaration of war .

Apparently, we don't need a declaration of war to sink billions of tax dollars into fighting Iran.
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Jan 11, 2020 09:50:58   #
Saspatz007 wrote:
He’s neither unique nor special in this regard. Every administration since Roosevelt has been playing this game. Things really ramped up during the oil embargo.

Since then, it’s obvious to anyone paying attention, every administration has been answerable to big oil in a big way.


I agree 100%

I think it's pretty amazing that people can be fooled by the whole "I'm different" act, every single election cycle.
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Jan 11, 2020 09:41:10   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
When you respond to multiple points in one post, it's impossible to maintain a train of thought. Try one point at a time.

I hear ya. Still, if people are having trouble maintaining a train of thought from my responses to multiple points, the best thing they can do is give me fewer points to respond to.

Folks have a habit of ranting on and on when they get emotional about a topic, especially if they don't have a strong focused argument and try to make up for it with an abundance of shallow accusations and tangents. All I'm doing is responding to them.

I also tend to focus on fewer threads at a time than most people here, which is why I can be so thorough without consuming all my free time. Quality over quantity ;)

nwtk2007 wrote:

We know about his efforts in some cases but there are a lot which are unexplained which we think he orchestrated.

So kill someone because we *think* he might be involved?

nwtk2007 wrote:

Here's one for you, we know he was planning a multi staged attach on at least four US embassies. That's why we dropped his ass.

Well, Fox News is the ONLY media stream that is saying "we know he was planning attacks". Every other media stream is stating something different. The Times of Israel for instance quoted White House officials as saying it was "likely" that he was planning attacks. Other, less forgiving media streams such as Independent are saying Trump is making the claim without any evidence at all.

On the official front, I have yet to see any government report that confirms what Trump and Fox News is passing as "fact".
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Jan 11, 2020 01:02:50   #
dtucker300 wrote:
I am too tired to reply right now.

I know the feeling. Take your time.
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Jan 11, 2020 00:54:37   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
You don't actually think Trump just came up with the idea of wasting this guy out of the blue do you?

You're like the third or fourth person to ask me that. No, I don't think it came out of the blue. I think the military advised him of the opportunity, just like they advised Bush and Obama. I've already explained all this. Are my explanations too long and elaborate?

nwtk2007 wrote:

He's a watched character; been watching him for years. He has orchestrated more attacks and act of terrorism than we even know about.

Really? More attacks than we even know about? Can you explain how we know about attacks that we don't even know about?

nwtk2007 wrote:

There was even a UN resolution saying he is to stay in Iran.

I haven't heard about that. Can you point it out for me? 'Cause I can't find ANY information on the Internet about a UN resolution to keep Soleimani inside Iran.

nwtk2007 wrote:

The military knew they had him, had been trying to get him for a while now, had the opportunity, Trump OK'd it and they acted.

Y'all seem to think Trump just came up with a need to do something like this for political gain or to distract from the impeachment. That's ignorant at best.

You're just not paying attention. I was very clear about the fact that Trump was advised of the opportunity the same way the previous presidents were and I'm not sure what kind of ignorance it takes to assume any move for political gain or distraction would have to be conceived out of the blue but given opportunities also work.

I also explained that I was merely speculating based on what information is available and given that information, political gain or distraction appears to be the most likely reason.

I'd be interested in hearing any alternative theories but so far all I see coming from the Trump supporters is a lot of huffing and puffing about how evil Iran is.
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