Stan, here's a response from a "government, tit-sucking" citizen, meaning I'm retired and living on Social Security. (Although, I'm nowhere near collecting what was taken out of my paychecks for SS over the 40-plus years I worked.)

I write this fully knowing it is a wasted effort. Those like you who have been radicalized beyond all reason, know no reason. Facts could chew big chunks out of your butt, but you wouldn't even notice them. You are hopelessly locked into a specific point of view that any appeal to reason is an exercise in futility.

Nonetheless, here's my response to your outrageous screed ...

In general, you're a sick ignoramus who doesn't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

You can't support a single thing you wrote with objective evidence. You don't even attempt to give any basis for your warped opinions.

If Obama wanted to take this country down a socialistic path, that option was handed to him on a silver platter when President Bush gave majority holdings in financial companies and auto companies on a silver platter via the $750 billion bailout package.

We (and by that I mean not you and your kind) know exactly what freedom means. It means (in part) that you have the right to pass off nonsense and I have the right to rebut it. The fact that you're reading what you wrote on a medium that can be read throughout the world underscores that freedom. Don't you realize that? Don't you understand the very fact that your goofy opinions are presented here in uncensored fashion actually undermines everything you profess?

Freedom is in no way "a thing of the past." It is working right now, right under your nose, right here in your posts, but you're too tainted, too small-minded, too wrapped in your absurd world of anti-American conspirators to see it.

What you've written is simply unadulterated, unverified, uninformed crap.

Normally, I would adhere to my preamble to this response. I'd say such ignorance as you espouse is just another goofy, whacko screed not worthy of a response. But a number of your kind have held the House of Representatives hostage and emboldened a member of the Senate to hold the entire nation hostage to your venomous ideology.

As a result, we lost $24 billion in economic growth, deprived needy families of do-or-die funding, sent powerless federal employees home to weather this funding storm — all for naught. Are you happy? Did this make our country stronger? Did this do anything to decrease the debt?

No. Just the opposite.

I just can't stand silent any more, thinking you and your kind are just another political blip on the historical record. You and yours are proven dangerous (and I know you love thinking that to be so, making you even more warped). You have proven yourselves capable of inflicting significant national harm. I hope you're proud of the meaningless hardships you've helped impose.

I honor you as another American citizen voicing a protected right to an opinion. But, your opinions are despicable. There won't be any fighting in the streets, marshall law, or all the rest of the claptrap you lay out as done-deal facts. Unless you and yours start it. And then you are nothing less than the second-coming of the Brown Shirts.

Just in case you didn't get the drift of my full meaning, I am saying you and others of your ilk a simply full of crap.

The fact that there were so many that dropped out of AARP after sending their notes of displeasure were enough to show that these people did not want Obamacare. My husband and I were two of those people. There were also people that did not want it that chose to stay in the AARP organization because "they have been in it for 30x years and don't want to leave it." We were in it for about that length of time but didn't let sentiment get in our way.

BTW, we still get crap from them to rejoin but it will be a cold day in hades before we even consider it. They played us for fools and will never get the chance to do so again.

BTW, what about the money they were supposed to have gotten from Obama for this crooked deal? I read where it was a cool billion dollars. Now that ain't pocket change.

1. It seems that Cruz and Lee are doing something that they are suppose to do. Stand up for the people who voted them into office. We are a constitutional Republic. And they are representatives of a part of this country. That is the way the Government is suppose to work, FOR THE PEOPLE.

2. Now if you have a problem with the Government being shut down then you should talk to Mr. Reid about compromising to get a deal done. Four times and he does nothing. In the last five years he has broken the constitution and the Law by not submitting a budget on time in any of the five years. Not one in 5 years.

3. If your going to talk economy then understand how it works. Right now there are no jobs, because of Government regulations. Obama's war on coal how many jobs has that cost? Building infrastructures only creates part time jobs. The are construction jobs that are seasonal at best.

4. Global warming and pollution. I see the concern about Pollution, but I do think that it has gone too far with the regulations. And I am not talking about company dumping hazardous waste. Those are regs that are needed. There are more and more international articles comeing out that say there is no evidence of man made global warming.

5. I am not sure what bubble your talking about. The issues that the Tea Party is concerned with are more aobut the constitution and the abuse that is being done to it. It is in the constitution that the congress can not pass any law to apply to the American people that does not apply to them and the President. Ask Obama if his family is part of the law.I can give you the answer. NO, and you would probably be told to never ask it again. I think it was on CNN the other night in a interview a reporter ask that very question and they immediately went to a commercial. When they came back it was never brought up again and the interview went on like it was never ask.

That was one of the offers from the house, for the law to apply to everyone not just the people. You think they are better than we are? I don't.

So my last word to you would be. Should something happen that we lose that constitution because of abuse of power and lack of vigilance on the part of the people. YOU have no one to blame but YOU!

Obamacare was passed into law after completely ignoring the wishes of the MAJORITY of the people. There was more bribes paid out to get this nightmare passed than there during the Obama campaign for the presidency. Even AARP got in on the act with quite a hunk of money given to them for lying and saying that most of the people who were members were for Obamacare. And this was a downright lie. Now I was always led to believe that bribery was illegal, but it evidently isn't when the Democrat crooks do it.

Right now Cruz and Lee are about the only one's that are acting like an elected official is supposed to act concerning their constituents. And that is doing what their constituents want them to do.

Don't know if the author is writing as a liberal Democrat or a RINO Republican! (Oh wait, the WHOLE ReDUMBlican Party are RINOs now). ReDUMBlicans hate men like Cruz and Ron Paul because they actually know what's wrong with this country and propose positive measures to actually do something about it. Yeah God forbid we actually have someone out there doing something right!

ReDUMBlicans keep asking us true conservatives to support your (mediocre) candidates who talk a lot of talk about standing up against the Democrats during election time, but whenever one of your own actually start doing that then they turn against them saying things like they "don't have the best interests of Americans" and "are an embarrassment to the entire nation"

Then again, if you're a liberal what would you know about the "best interest of Americans" being as how you are the ones who are an embarrassment to the entire nation.

No, O-Care doesn't fix any of this - unless you consider the destruction of our whole health care system a fix. These socialistic practices have been tried and have failed or are failing now.

ACA is an assault upon this economy, but perhaps the best reason to defund O-Care, is not because of the few things it promises to do for folks needing relief from high medical costs and insurance that was and is difficult to afford. It is because the Bill was the legislative equivalent of a DAISY CUTTER/BUNKER BUSTING blast of flawed mechanisms to accomplish so very little beyond devastating a working, though flawed health care system.

If any one of us was so deceived with regard to anything else we might have even been convinced to buy (America wasn't convinced)to improve our lives, we would have returned it for a FULL REFUND and would then have reported the seller to the better business bureau. It was pure hubris in the first place to think that anything attempted on this scale would even work at all!

I'm personally stunned that there are people still defending this atrocity long after the never ending list of flaws and harms have formed a parade of ineptitude, malpractice and "unintended" consequences (starting to doubt that its unintended).

Really, are supporters of everything this administration does suffering from mass hypnosis?

This week the baby may be sliced in two by malevolent forces on both sides (and I'm not referring to the Tea Party). Perhaps then enough of the country will wake up in time to actually shutdown this White House and force open the parts of the government that still work! - legally of course.

The move to defund was a negotiating tool. The House has moved on to - One year delay - equal treatment under the law etc. Yet - as in the past, Dems are adding a relaxation of Sequester to the mix just as the House lowers their demands. There are too few honest brokers in positions of power to expect anything less than a blood bath this week. And it won't be the fault of the Tea Party backed reps.

First off, your detached from reality. You've swallowed the lies and believe them.

As Dick Morris, pointed out in his book, "Fleeced," in 2008, there are only so many hospitals and so many doctors and people are complaining that there are not enough to handle the demand. Now your going to give insurance to everybody so they can go in any time they want. How is that going to work. Then on top of that Obama is trying to get 30 million illegal immigrants free health care, how is that going to work.
ObamaCare does not build a single new hospital or clinic and doesn't add a single new doctor either, and the way that they have regulated the payment system, the doctors we have will have to move to some other country or retire, so there's going to be more shortages than now.

Unlike you, I deal with reality. ObamaCare cannot work, will not work, the math does not add up.

Pa. Mother Forced to Choose: Obamacare or Food for Her Family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfRZ5SqP6S4

6 Things Every American Should Know About Obamacare
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/10/12/6-things-every-american-should-know-about-obamacare-n1722245/page/full


Just 51,000 people filled out Obamacare applications in Healthcare.gov’s first week
http://americanlibertypac.com/2013/10/just-51000-people-filled-out-obamacare-applications-in-healthcare-govs-first-week/

"Obama Rats and Obama Fines!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxDbI7QNivA&feature=share&list=UUh_pjHONrnhzFbPv1Sg5EnA

But, the Constitution specifically states that all tax laws will start in the House.
Harry Reid striped a military bill that started in the House and was now in the Senate. Used the tracking number from that legislation and used it on the ObamCare legislation. This is UnConstitutional.

The Supreme Court Has no force and no will, only judgement.
Read you Federalist Papers. What that means is that the Supreme Court has no authority to write legislation or enforce the laws.
They're only jurisdiction is to judge whether the laws passed by the legislature conform to the Constitution and whether or not the way laws are enforced adhere to the Constitution.

The Supreme Court has no jurisdiction to rewrite a law. That's a legislative power, not theirs.
They decided that, what was a fine was now a tax, when in fact the legislators wrote it as a fine. That's rewriting legislation, they have no authority to do so and that is unconstitutional.

If it is a tax, then the citizen has a right to appeal it. There is no mechanism in ObamaCare that allows a citizen to appeal it. That is unconstitutional.

Don't forget, the Supreme Court upheld slavery, they were not right in doing so. And despite the fact that the congress and the supreme Court up held slavery, we did get rid of it.

As to the place God has in the Constitution, our fore fathers Declared that our inalienable rights come from God, not the government. It is the duty of the government to protect those rights.
Any law that violates God's Law or the Natural Laws of Man has no validity.

Finally, tell us your story of when you signed up for ObamaCare. As you say, it is now the law of the land, so that means you have to sign up or you are breaking the law your defending.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Mr. Kvdon: This is not a democracy. Our gov is a republic. The majority do not always rule as I glean from your remarks. The Constitution is the basis of our republic. But it has been assaulted and dismantled since it was ratified. We, the conservatives want to dismantle the dismantled part and make it hole again. conservatives see the Constitution as our static Bible. Progress liberals see it as a fluid document to be changed to meet modern desires as they see fit. That ideology is in direct conflict with conservatives. More true conservatives have been elected to the congressional house in 2010 because of Obamacare being rammed through the congress with not a single Republican vote. Thanks to our republic the fight is not over by a long shot. People think congress is a do nothing congress. I disagree with that thought because the new Tea Party reps are not buying the so called moderate Republican's ideology which is make a little noise and cave in to the Z Democrats and get reelected. What we are seeing is making history and may save our Bible, the Constitution. Have you ever seen anyone ever try to rewrite the Bible of God? No! you have not. What you are witnessing is a fight by a very brave few to preserve our Bible. God bless the underdogs. The Republican party is Just as much at fault for this country being socialist as the Democratic progressive socialists because the socialist set the agenda and the Republicans adjusted it a bit and calling it a compromise. The result was a little slower creep to socialism. The public has come to expect this type of action by the RINO Republicans like McCain and Graham. The public is not unhappy with the results of the past 7 decades. Times have been good. They say, " if you have a good horse don't change it in the middle of a stream or, if it ant broke don't fix it." The public fails to understand that the government is broke and it is broken and it needs fixing. The initial warriors will be beaten back by both parties because it upsets their chances of being reelected for life. Ted Cruz & Lee are a true Americans. Someone on this forum asked, "what can we do to change things." Get off the azz and go do battle for the party that most closely represents your ideology. Get active Offer to take people to vote. Organize block meetings. Volunteer to work phone banks. Wear a bumper sticker if your azz is big enough to accommodate it. :lol: