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Jun 7, 2016 10:14:31   #
Singularity wrote:
Supernatural is another word that has some curious baggage. While overwhelmingly endorsing the premise that there is an intelligent moving force ruling "over" the "natural" world, most intellectual religious people find "supernatural" is too uncomfortably close to admitting parity of religious convictions with other irrational systems and convictions such as myth and fantasy.

Because of the human minds facility with mimicry and pattern recognition, it is clearly possible to convey universal truths by narration of a series of possible events in a storyline that is presented as a stick figure cartoon mime against a blank background!



Humans perceive emotion and meaning from the pauses and symmetrical timing of artificial sound salads. (Music)

By extending metaphor, analogy, symmetry, artistry, emotional resonance and poetic license, these letters I type become supernatural! These symbolic tiny geometric drawings, chosen by tiny finger movements against the keyboard and ordered by my intelligence are transmuted, transmitted and translated yet again as digital media, presented symbolically on other's screens and by consensual definition, become a means of allowing others to play with my words and ideas, understand my reported situation, to literally read my mind! And reciprocally project your mind to this virtual "forum". Of course errors throughout the process create noise and confusion, but to untaught masses, would not reading a written letter or decoding a map to glean information others cannot perceive or understand seem the same as gathering knowledge by staring at tea leaves or goat guts? And just as supernatural but also REAL in the sense that an inanimate object saved and delivered a thought from one mind to another through no action of its own.

Imagine looking at a cave painting. You will see the vision, action and perceive the emotion of a human who lived around the world and who has been dead thousands of years!

Awesome.

And some want miracles, too!?!
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Now that we have the technology we can literally follow our thoughts and how it impacts the brain. How the body responds to every thought we have, truly amazing. I don't believe in the supernatural, it is only learning what we hadn't known before. Is the universe random or a collective energy working together is some form of unison, that would be hard to believe, impossible...who knows. There are religions who believe collective thought can change physical outcomes...can this be possible also? In some cases the is has been proven. Collective energy is an amazing thing and comes in many forms. When I think of all the things that were invisible to us but now we know they are there, it exists and we know how to use them, it is exciting with every step we take forward and to do it without discrediting spirituality and all its possibilities of being redefined.
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Jun 6, 2016 18:41:15   #
PeterS wrote:
The definition of Irrationalism is:a system emphasizing intuition, instinct, feeling, or faith rather than reason or holding that the universe is governed by supernatural forces. Every time I tell a Christian that religion is based on irrationalism they freakout thinking it can't be true. I have to wonder--if you can't accept the philosophical principle guiding your belief system just how is you can accept your belief system.

And FYI, I had a stroke after 30 years of smoking. It took being in a coma for 3 weeks for me to get over the desire for a cigarette. If I could have but one 'do over' it would be that first time I picked up a cigarette. I hope your son doesn't have to kick the habit in the same way...
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Your definition of irrationalism doesn't quite make sense to me, I get the... rather reason part ~it's the or holding that the universe is governed by supernatural forces, isn't that exactly what you don't believe?

I find it interesting that in this definition of reason they devalue the credibility of intuition and instinct, when these are essential tools used in survival for man or beast.

Quote:There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

Our intuition has become less evident as we have become more dependent on pure logic and reason. Ask how many cops have come to rely on their intuition and instincts over just logic.
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Jun 6, 2016 18:15:41   #
mwdegutis wrote:
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A. W. Tozer wrote, “’What is God like?’ If by that question we mean ‘What is God like in Himself?’ there is no answer. If we mean ‘What has God disclosed about Himself that the reverent reason can comprehend?’ there is, I believe, an answer both full and satisfying.”

Tozer is right in that we cannot know what God is with respect to Himself. The book of Job declares, “Can you discover the depths of God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? They are high as the heavens, what can you do? Deeper than Sheol, what can you know?” (Job 11:7–8).

However, we can ask what God has revealed about Himself in His Word and in creation that “the reverent reason” can grasp.

When Moses was directed by God to go to the Egyptian Pharaoh and demand the release of the Israelites, Moses asked God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13).

The answer God gave Moses was simple, yet very revealing: “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, “I AM has sent me to you”’” (Exodus 3:14). The Hebrew text in verse 14 literally says, “I be that I be.”

This name speaks to the fact that God is pure existence, or what some call pure actuality. Pure actuality is that which IS with no possibility to not exist. Put another way, many things can have existence (e.g., human beings, animals, plants), but only one thing can be existence. Other things have “being” but only God is Being.

The fact that God alone is Being leads to at least five truths about what God is – what type of being God is.

First, God alone is a self-existent being and the first cause of everything else that exists. John 5:26 simply says, “The Father has life in Himself.” Paul preached, “He is not served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives all men life and breath and everything else” (Acts 17:25).

Second, God is a necessary being. A necessary being is one whose nonexistence is impossible. Only God is a necessary being; all other things are contingent beings, meaning they could not exist. However, if God did not exist, then neither would anything else. He alone is the necessary being by which everything else currently exists – a fact that Job states: “If He should determine to do so, If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath, All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust” (Job 34:14–15).

Third, God is a personal being. The word personal in this context does not describe personality (e.g., funny, outgoing, etc.); rather, it means “having intent.” God is a purposeful being who has a will, creates, and directs events to suit Him. The prophet Isaiah wrote, “I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’” (Isaiah 46:9–10).

Fourth, God is a triune being. This truth is a mystery, yet the whole of Scripture and life in general speaks to this fact. The Bible clearly articulates that there is but one God: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Deut. 6:4). But the Bible also declares that there is a plurality to God. Before Jesus ascended to heaven, He commanded His disciples: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). Notice the singular “name” in the verse; it does not say “names,” which would convey three gods. There is one name belonging to the three Persons who make up the Godhead.

Scripture in various places clearly calls the Father God, Jesus God, and the Holy Spirit God. For example, the fact that Jesus possesses self-existence and is the first cause of everything is stated in the first verses of John: “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life” (John 1:3–4). The Bible also says that Jesus is a necessary being: “He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together” (Colossians 1:17).

Fifth, God is a loving being. In the same way that many things can exist but only one thing can be existence, people and other living things can possess and experience love, but only one thing can be love. First John 4:8 makes the simple ontological statement, “God is love.”

What is God? God is the only one who can say, “I be that I be.” God is pure existence, self-existent, and the source of everything else that possesses existence. He is the only necessary being, is purposeful/personal, and possesses both unity and diversity.

God is also love. He invites you to seek Him and discover the love He has for you in His Word and in the life of His Son Jesus Christ, the one who died for your sins and made a way for you to live with Him for eternity.
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Doc how well would you say someone would be educated if they read one book 50 times verses reading 50 books one time?
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Jun 6, 2016 16:13:14   #
Einstein's Quote:

The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.
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Jun 6, 2016 15:45:22   #
Unfortunately your logical synopsis is within a box, just a different limited box.
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Jun 6, 2016 15:36:24   #
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I would say religion is more "science friendly" than Leftist-Liberal idiotology.



Religion is not friendly
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Jun 6, 2016 13:24:47   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Are you suggesting the current scientific knowledge has evidence of a "creator?"


So we are still at the question ....what came first the chicken or the egg? I think we should change the debate to... to know if God exist maybe we should first know what is God? To believe he is singular is a rudimentary belief, which is just MPO. Why would the consciousness of the infinite universe not be a collaboration?

As stated in the article: A mere pinhead of DNA contains information equivalent to a stack of paperback books that would encircle the earth 5,000 times.

That is quite staggering, now we just have to implement that thought in comparison to the universe. When we look inside the body it very much behaves like its own universe, everything responding in a collective manner in its end goal of survivor-ship and for its best good. Our bodies(ourselves) which are (part of)connected to the universe, mimic the universe. An interesting book The Consciousness of the Atom, by Alice Baily and written near the turn of the 20th century, explains some of this.

So I ask ,what is God?
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Jun 5, 2016 08:02:23   #
Paybacktimeishere wrote:
"crazy libertarian":

SENATOR, JOSEPH McCARTHY,
HAD IT RIGHT, ALL ALONG , & that's why his
Traitorous, Communist, Enemies, had to "go all
out", to stop him, & his movement. Just look
around, at America today. There's plenty of "RED'S"; most being Demograt's, & The spineless, hypocritical, "Gravy Train", RINO'S.
There may yet, be a "DAY" of
RAGE, & VENGENCE, producing a NEW NATION.

FINI
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This is all spoken out of fear, fear of the future, and fearing the future is all inside your head. Change your focus and you will change your outlook. There are many good things happening today and the youth are a breath of fresh air to these old concepts and philosophies, thank God if you like. They are much more aligned with making peace a possibility and healing the earth.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:54:11   #
crazylibertarian wrote:
You will never get progressives to address this. They will never acknowledge the philosophic brethrenship of liberalism, progressivism, socialism and communism. Instead, they will call us names & issue their judgmental broadsides at us without addressing a single point.


They have addressed it, and you choose not to listen or ignore it simply because you don't want to hear it. Instead you believe this unpatriotic anti American propaganda like what has been posted on this post.
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May 29, 2016 13:37:59   #
Artemis wrote:
CT ?
This may have been true looking back to two and a half years ago, we were stuck in a system that was fundamentally failing to deliver Veterans the benefits that they had earned. Over 610,000 disability claims were stuck in a backlog.Since that time, VA has transformed the way that it provides benefits to Veterans.

Today, the backlog stands at approximately 76,000 disability claims, which is an 88 percent reduction from its peak in March 2013 and an historic low. This past fiscal year, VA completed a record-breaking 1.4 million claims. Today,veterans with a pending claim are waiting, on average, 188 days less for a claim decision, from a peak of 282 days in March 2013 to 94 days today. And VA has done all of this without sacrificing quality or accuracy, with 96 percent of issues on a claim being accurately adjudicated.


On this Veterans Day, the Administration is announcing progress in each of the five pillars of the Veterans agenda that the President has set forth, including the announcement by Governor McAuliffe that the Commonwealth of Virginia has become the first state in the country to end Veteran homelessness statewide. The City of Las Vegas, Nevada; the City of Syracuse, New York; and the City of Schenectady, New York also will announce that they have ended Veteran homelessness in their cities.

Aside from what you might think I am not contributing these improvements not to Obama alone but more to the veterans affairs committee which is presently Republican chaired. But I an acknowledging improvements with people working together for once.
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May 29, 2016 13:36:59   #
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
CT

The article states obammy is moving the funds within the VA..........moving it to areas that are already responsible for epic failures, as it stated, just more to the same areas within the VA that are not working now.


CT ?
This may have been true looking back to two and a half years ago, we were stuck in a system that was fundamentally failing to deliver Veterans the benefits that they had earned. Over 610,000 disability claims were stuck in a backlog.Since that time, VA has transformed the way that it provides benefits to Veterans.

Today, the backlog stands at approximately 76,000 disability claims, which is an 88 percent reduction from its peak in March 2013 and an historic low. This past fiscal year, VA completed a record-breaking 1.4 million claims. Today,veterans with a pending claim are waiting, on average, 188 days less for a claim decision, from a peak of 282 days in March 2013 to 94 days today. And VA has done all of this without sacrificing quality or accuracy, with 96 percent of issues on a claim being accurately adjudicated.


On this Veterans Day, the Administration is announcing progress in each of the five pillars of the Veterans agenda that the President has set forth, including the announcement by Governor McAuliffe that the Commonwealth of Virginia has become the first state in the country to end Veteran homelessness statewide. The City of Las Vegas, Nevada; the City of Syracuse, New York; and the City of Schenectady, New York also will announce that they have ended Veteran homelessness in their cities.

Aside from what you might think I am not contributing these improvements to Obama alone but more to the veterans affairs committee which is presently Reb. chaired. But I am acknowledging improvements with people working together for once.
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May 29, 2016 11:38:40   #
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
You're a retard, Oblabber hates our military 10 times more than your hated on OPP........and thats alot dummy!


BREAKING: Obama Makes Sickening Move Against American Veterans

In yet another disgusting move by President Obama against our own veterans, his 2016 budget blueprint indicates that he’s ready to begin draining the coffers of a Veterans Affairs program that gave veterans a chance to receive medical care without waiting months for a visit to a backlogged VA hospital.

The Veterans Choice Program, put into place last year almost unanimously by Congress and not opposed by Obama, was funded with $10 billion to last until 2017.

The program gives veterans a chance to receive a “choice” card that allows them to seek outside medical care for urgent issues that they might otherwise wait months for a VA doctor to diagnose.



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The bill, which was introduced and championed by the GOP, was the first step in repairing the troubled VA office — one plagued with scandals, mismanagement and mind-blowing waste.

But now, Obama’s already willing to pull the plug and drain the funding.

What for, you ask? He says the money will be used “to support essential investments in VA system priorities in a fiscally responsible, budget-neutral manner, according to The Washington Examiner.

In other words, do more of the same things that took the VA into the troubled spot it’s already in.

Why does our own president hate our veterans so much?

Raiding the funding for the Veterans Choice program, according to Dan Caldwell, legislative director for Concerned Veterans for America, would “cause the choice program to be a lot shorter and to inevitably serve fewer veterans.”

VA officials claim that the choice program is “underused” and defended Obama’s proposal. Go figure.
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Would you mind posting where you saw this blue print, nothing I've read has indicated Obama taking away funds but redistributing them but still inside the Veteran benefit programs such as Care in the Community services.
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May 28, 2016 13:55:22   #
PoppaGringo wrote:
You lefties are really beginning to fear your gravy train is about to come to a screeching halt aren't you? Qué será será.
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Gravy train... what gravy train? another delusion. Sometimes I actually start believing in him than someone smacks me on the side of my head and wakes me from the dream. I would like nothing better for you to be right because it's the interest of the country, but I fear the more likely scenario would be you waking up to reality with Trump as President, with the deer in the headlights expression all over your face with the comment...fooled again
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May 28, 2016 13:53:04   #
CDM wrote:
Simple. First, limit the time that can be spent in any public office, elected or appointed. Limit compensation to a stipend. Outlaw any investment during tenure. Remove life time benefits. Execute all lobbyists on sight. All significant disincentives for the criminal minded politician. These are not original thoughts by the way. You can read about them in the Madison Papers...A number of the founders recognized the need for such prudence but were put off by politicians who already had their sites set on the huge opportunities for power and wealth that was just on the other side of the door. Easily attained by manipulation of a bovine stupid electorate.

Having traveled most of this world for many years I can assure you...we are sheep...Dogs bite occasionally.
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Yes I am aware of these and am right on board with them all,and feel many others are also, again on both sides of the fence yet unfortunately things have stayed the same in this conundrum since our founding fathers, human nature being what it is, we have to change our habits if we want to see a different outcome. It's not been done yet.
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May 28, 2016 12:55:19   #
CDM wrote:
How many of these dozens of bills stipulated for restructuring of the system as opposed to pumping more money into the system. I can assure you, none. What this then shows is that Democrats are either ignorant or disingenuous in their desire to fix the problem. I contend for my part it's simple fiscal ignorance. Democrats are not managers by any stretch of the imagination. So it's no wonder that the majority of attempted promulgation has a D behind it. It gets the emotional votes...

You need to read all of the documentation associated with Sanders attempts to 'help' the vets in order to understand why he has not been successful. In fact, take a look at his success rate over his career. The man is incapable of assembling a plan. His bills read like the wish list of a 12 year old...He has never, not once been able to support his brainchildren with black and white fiscal underpinning.

You are confusing good intention which I'm sure Bernie has a ton of, with good practice...the age old Leftist recipe for disaster. What we need are some well intended people who know what in hell they are doing, what the outcome of effort will be by plan, design and hands on management.
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What I have found is a lot of wasted time on superfluous bills that have past, for example one passed bill putting funds into educating the public on the dilemma the vets are going getting their benefits. I would not find one person who wouldn't approve of supporting vets in any way they can. They don't need to be educated on that.

I agree it being management, but to say it is a from ignorance I think might be disingenuous, I think all of them intentionally complicate things to make things overly complicated to track. Politics is known for its egg game. People in general from both sides are fed up with politicians that is a common ground, but as long as we keep voting for the same generic politicians how can we ever see real change. It appears that even when one goes into politics with ideals in tact, it doesn't take long to fall into pool of depravity. I see Hillary and Trump both sides of the same coin, Bernie is by default. I(we) have no other choices...our dilemma.
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