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Aug 21, 2023 03:42:11   #
Milosia2 wrote:
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The Leader’s oligarch buddies and their media machine, along with his well-indoctrinated followers, promote a law-and-order crime ideology that results in high levels of incarceration, heavily militarized police, and a disregard for the general rights of the average citizen, particularly racial and religious minorities.

As “future dystopian” as all this may sound, there are more governments in the world run this way today than there are democracies. It’s “normal.” And once established it’s almost impossible to dislodge without a crisis like the death of The Leader or an actual revolution. Just ask any Russian. Or Spaniards who were alive in 1975.

Some of the governments around the world that are structured like this were democracies that turned fascist, like Russia, Turkey, and Hungary. But many have been this way for centuries, including the hereditary kingdoms in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa.

So, how do the democratic countries that make the transition to fascism allow that to happen? And what is life like in those countries, both during and after the time that it’s happened?

We can’t say we weren’t warned by our own people, our own politicians, the most senior members of our own institutional power structure.

In a speech that was hysterically criticized by Republicans and Fox “News“ pundits, former President Barack Obama in December of 2017 came right out and said it:

You have to tend to this garden of democracy, otherwise things can fall apart fairly quickly. And we’ve seen societies where that happens.

Yes, the former president of the United States invoked Nazi Germany six years ago while Donald Trump was president, adding:

Now, presumably, there was a ballroom in Vienna in the late 1920s or ’30s that looked and seemed as if it ― filled with the music and art and literature and the science that was emerging ― would continue into perpetuity.

And then 60 million people died. And the entire world was plunged into chaos.

Americans have been shouting about it lately, in venues like The New York Times, Secretary of State Madeline Albright’s book, and speeches from legislators like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

And now the president of the United States warns Americans that a fascist movement within our own nation is at our door, and will either be soundly defeated in the next election or will seize power and end our form of government:

What we’re seeing now is [either] the beginning or the death knell of an extreme MAGA philosophy. It’s not just Trump, it’s the entire philosophy that underpins the — I’m going to say something, it’s like semi-fascism.

Biden’s comment got only a passing mention in the news.

But, still, how do we know? Is there a sudden proclamation by The Leader that the nation is now “officially fascist”?

After World War II, a Chicago reporter named Milton Mayer struggled to understand how Hitler was able to flip one of the world’s most stable democracies into fascism.

An American Jew of German ancestry and a brilliant writer, Mayer went to Germany seven years after Hitler’s fall and befriended 10 “average Germans,” asking each how the Nazis rose to power in an otherwise civilized nation.

His book, They Thought They Were Free, is his story of that experience. Intertwined through it — first published in 1955 — are repeated overt and subtle warnings to future generations of Americans: to us, today.

A German professor who made it through the war by avoiding politics told Mayer:

But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jew swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose.

The warnings have been there all along. I wrote of this in 2005, quoting Mayer and going off on Bush and the PATRIOT Act as the prequel to fascism.

In the next election, many of us will no longer be able to know if our voices, our attempts to vote, will actually decide who leads our nation.

Many Americans will show up at the polls to discover they are no longer registered to vote. Many of our mail-in ballots will be “challenged” by Republican vote “observers” and we won’t learn about it until after the election is long over.

Five Republicans on the Supreme Court ruled in 2018 that you can be purged from the voting rolls on a whim. In the majority of US states Republicans can take over electoral precincts, install their people (as we just learned they are doing right now) and run them under whatever rules they want.

Already in some states the GOP inflicts 10-hour lines to vote on people in Democratic districts, for example, and you go to jail if you bring them water. If you make a mistake on your voting registration or ballot, or help another person register to vote, in multiple red states the governors can choose to send you to prison for five years or more.

Somehow, of the many people from both parties who are busted for this, it seems only the Democrats end up going to prison.

And yet everything seems “normal.” As Mayer’s professor friend told him, when The Leader finally seizes control of all the levers of power, from political to economic to spiritual, everything changes but everything also stays the same:

The world you live in — your nation, your people — is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays.

But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed.

Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God.

We’re already quite a ways down this road, which is why both our media and our democracy have been rated by numerous international groups as being “at risk” or similar designations.

Voter suppression, gerrymandering, the proliferation of phony media selling right-wing propaganda as “news,” armed militias on our streets (and the GOP recruiting them for “election monitors”) are the visible tip of the proverbial iceberg.

“How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men?” Mayer’s friend asked rhetorically.

And, without the benefit of a previous, recent, and well-remembered fascistic regime to refer to, Mayer had to candidly answer: “Frankly, I do not know.”

That was 1954; this is 2023. We now know.

Lead Belly, New York, 1946
Lead Belly on guitar playing music with Bunk Johnson, George Lewis, and Alcide Pavageau, Stuyvesant Casino, New York City, in 1946. Photo credit: LOC

We know how the poisonous hate that animates fascism seeps into a society because we saw it ourselves during the four years of the Trump administration.

We’re watching it in red states across the country as MAGA Republicans replace honorable Republicans like Cheney and Kinzinger.

We know how easily a government can be toppled and how close we came on January 6, 2021: If just five Republicans hadn’t refused to go along with Trump we’d be well into this fascist dystopia today.

MAGA Republicans across the country are calling for a Franco-like government as you’re reading these words. They believe so long as they’re loyal to The Leader and Party everything will be good for them and theirs, and, generally speaking, they’re right.

As President Biden said last year:

We can’t take democracy for granted any longer. … Make no mistake. Democracy is on the ballot.

The only way we can avoid repeating the experience of Spain, Germany, Hungary, Russia, and Chile (among others) is to overwhelmingly repudiate — defeat — Trump and the MAGA Republicans’ movement at the polls.

And the first step to that is to wake up everybody we know. As the storied blues-folk-master Huddie William Ledbetter, better known as Lead Belly, famously said, “Stay woke!”
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It would be nice if you woke up. The only ones I see silencing and cancelling people are the left. If you have an opinion contrary to the lefty's opinion, they want you cancelled, deplatformed, censored and silenced. The right will let you have your opinion and dispute it with facts, letting the people decide. If your arguments can't stand up to scrutiny, maybe you have nothing to support your argument.
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Aug 21, 2023 03:32:53   #
Airforceone wrote:
You know what’s amazing to me not one of you Trump supporters can answer a simple question what would you be saying if Obama called the Secretary of State in Georgia and asked for 11,700 votes and declare the electors to Obama.

What would you be saying if Obama was coordinating and trying to declare fake electors in 7 states.

What about all those boxes of classified documents that Trump spent one year saying he had none. It took $380 million investigation by the FBI and the DOJ to get a search warrant to prove he had them. Remember I don’t have them, then the FBI planted them, then he said he had a right to have them, oh and don’t forget when he complained the FBI stole his passport. One stupid excuse after another and you people justify it.

Then 4 grand jurors Listen to under oath testimony by Trumps own people and you justify your supporters attacking Judges, Prosecutors, jury’s. It’s amazing and all I want to know if Obama was doing what Trump is doing what would you be saying.

I had some idiot say that democrats are all about socialism so I asked him twice and in a PM to give me the definition of socialism and where the democrats use it in our government. I still can’t get a (F) ing answer from this guy.

Voter fraud is BS 62 judges threw it out of court, and 12 of them were appointed by Trump, Trumps own FBI and Attorney general said the election had no voter fraud, the SCOTUS laughed it out of court the vote was 9 to 0 and three of them were Trump appointees and you still advocate voter fraud. You people live in a world of conspiracy theories, propaganda, and flat out lies by a sociopath.

Trump incited that 1/6 insurrection and if you watched the 1/6 committee investigation and listened to Trumps inner circle. Bill Barr even said it was BS. But yet these clowns on OPP ignore this testimony call it all lies. The government is weaponizing against Trump. The deep state theory all BS.

The rule of law means nothing to you people now we have a special council going after a private citizen this is crazy stuff.

These Trump supporters blame the COVID on Biden. These people deny that Trump said COVID was no worse than the flu. They either deny it or ignore it.

But to me it’s really sad
You know what’s amazing to me not one of you Trump... (show quote)


Trump was perfectly within his rights to question the results of a close election. There were many suspicious looking things that occurred during the election. It doesn't mean that anything illegal took place, but there were allegations of illegality. Trump said if they looked close at the voting that they would find enough problems occurred to make up the 11000 vote difference. When one side refuses to even audit the results of a close election when there are such allegations, it makes some people wonder if they are trying to hide something.
It's like playing cards and one person insists they won without putting their cards on the table and just saying trust me. If Biden had lost by close margins, I would have expected him to challenge the results.
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Jul 29, 2023 06:25:42   #
fullspinzoo wrote:
Your sleazy, scumbag buddies or ilk tried to sneak an "immune from all crimes past and future clause" by the Judge. Now they will be up on ethics charges. Maybe they'll end up in jail. You align yourself with the sleaziest people on this planet. Pure scum, must be all your Christian connections. I hope "Karma" bites you in the ass, and not just once. Once again, GFY. You must be tired of hearing that.


Not only did they try to hide the immunity for any other crimes paragraph, they tried to get an amicus brief removed from the case by pretending to be a lawyer for a Republican Congressman. (Although, Biden's legal team is claiming it was a simple misunderstanding of who the lawyer was representing, they do not dispute the fact that they wanted the amicus brief removed).
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Jul 29, 2023 06:08:07   #
Kevyn wrote:
Facebook gave the Nebraska Gestapo aka state police the DMs of a teenage woman so they could prosecute her and have her jailed for terminating an unwanted pregnancy with legal medication she purchased online.


A simple question for you. Did the Nebraska State Patrol ask for the information or did they serve a legal warrant to Facebook to compel them to turn over the information on the specific individual? The medication in question may have been a drug that received FDA approval, but it is possible that under Nebraska law it must be prescribed in person by a medical professional licensed in the state of Nebraska. I believe there may be more to the story than you have implied.
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Jul 29, 2023 06:00:50   #
Rinaldi wrote:
No wonder you are considered to be an idiot.

Explain why women who have served in the military, the widows of veterans, and military caregivers do not

deserve recognition from the VA.


My girlfriend is an Air Force veteran, 5 deployments to the Middle East. She is on disability from her injuries. The VA has a long way to go to get to the level of care we receive from civilian doctors.
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Jul 9, 2023 16:33:19   #
WinkyTink wrote:
You have reading comprehension issues.


I won't waste my time arguing with an illiterate.
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Jul 9, 2023 16:01:04   #
WinkyTink wrote:
Laws change. Unilaterally by house, senate and President. So that would be trilateral. You failed to explain why SS should not be taxed as other pensions and 401k withdrawals. Btw, low income people do not pay tax on their SS income.


You clearly stated in the first two lines: LAWS CHANGE. UNILATERALLY BY HOUSE, SENATE AND PRESIDENT. You can't make that statement, then claim it is trilateral.
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Jul 9, 2023 15:56:14   #
ksaves wrote:
I thought if she was born in the U.S., she's a natural born citizen in spite of parentage. If she was born outside of the U.S., well technically she can't be president as last I heard a candidate needs to be American born.


Neither Congress nor the Supreme Court have established the exact definition of natural born citizen. One case they ruled on that, the Court said intent to be a citizen, establishing a residence, business and taking steps to become a citizen qualified. About 20 or so years ago, it was proposed to set definitive conditions to receive birthright citizenship. Parents must be here legally and must be making progress towards becoming a citizen.
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Jul 9, 2023 15:45:19   #
WinkyTink wrote:
Laws change. Unilaterally by house, senate and President. So that would be trilateral. You failed to explain why SS should not be taxed as other pensions and 401k withdrawals. Btw, low income people do not pay tax on their SS income.


The law can't be changed unilaterally. A bill has to be passed by both houses of Congress, then signed into law by the president. If the president vetoes the bill Congress needs to vote to override the veto. I wasn't arguing whether or not it should be taxed, just giving a history of it.
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Jul 9, 2023 13:35:11   #
WinkyTink wrote:
The reality is all pension benefits are subject to income tax based on a progressive scale. There is no reason to not tax social security.


Social Security is a forced savings program. When it was established, Congress made the payments tax free. That was the contract between the government and the citizens. This contract was unilaterally changed by the government.
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Jul 9, 2023 13:21:37   #
Milosia2 wrote:
Sorry it was
Ronald Reagan who first started
Taxing our Social Security Checks.
What a great guy he was !!!
You can’t just rewrite history because you don’t like the truth .
Besides , why the concern ?
The republicans want to
dismantle it anyway .
Divide up the money among their crooked Republican pals.
Call it a day !
That’s enough work for them that day .


By law, the President can't spend any money , raise any taxes or borrow from Social Security fund. That has to be done by Congress. Biden was a sponsor of the legislation that raided the Social Security funds and also legislation that began taxing Social Security benefits.
Of course, everything bad is done by Republican presidents and never one thing good. Everything done by Democrats is great and they can do no wrong.
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Jul 9, 2023 03:29:02   #
Airforceone wrote:
We need Republicans to destroy the earth. Climate change deniers. Republicans are smarter than the climate change scientist. Destroy earth and protect the oil companies at all cost. Global warming is directly related to greenhouse gases and major cause of greenhouse gases are burning oil and gas.
Besides at current levels of oil useage we only have 47 years of oil reserves left. So alternative forms of producing electricity and vehicles will be needed. If the earth is still habitable.

But ignorance in the Republican Party continues. US tops the list of air polluters per capita. I guess Republicans always hated regulations they suck up to the corporate elite and have no problem allowing air pollution, polluting our waterways.

It’s a simple process the polar ice caps are melting due to global warming, so sea levels are rising. Due to global warming our ocean waters are warming. And with warm water that is fuel to a hurricane. But the idiot republicans to protect oil companies say we always had hurricanes and yes we did but they are more frequent and a lot more severe because of the ocean warming due to greenhouse gases.
But no problem Trump has the right idea why not nuke these hurricanes. Now we have the MAGA folks saying yes Trump is right.
We need Republicans to destroy the earth. Climate ... (show quote)


The climate change propagandists are in the same category as the flat Earthers and the belief that the Earth is the center of the universe. The climate has been both warmer and colder in the past, long before there were humans and will continue long after we are gone. When the sun finally goes nova, the Earth will teach it's maximum temperature, then cool to a lifeless rock floating in space.
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Jul 9, 2023 03:09:32   #
okie don wrote:
I wonder if she qualifies as neither of her parents were American citizens.
Father a Jamaican, mother from India.
I always thought your parents or at least one had to be a natural born American.


There is a legal theory based on past precedent that since neither of her parents were US citizens and showed no evidence of becoming citizens (her father returned to Jamaica after school and her mother moved to Canada to teach), she should not be considered a US citizen. I have not seen anything stating if or when Kamala's mother became a US citizen. A case went to the Supreme Court in the late 1800s (I believe it was in the 1890s), Chinese immigrants had a son born in the US (California), he applied to college and was turned down because his parents had not yet passed their citizenship. The Supreme Court ruled that their actions proved their intent, and with his birth on the US, he was indeed a US citizen.
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Jul 9, 2023 02:31:54   #
pegw wrote:
I agree with you. You need to join Social Security Works and AARP. They are two orgazations that are dedicated to keeping Social Security.


I don't trust AARP, they have shown in the past to support things that will enrich their organization ahead of the people. If you want a conservative organization, I'd recommend checking out AMAC.
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Jul 9, 2023 02:26:47   #
David L wrote:
The Social Security check is now (or soon will be) referred to as a *Federal Benefit Payment*?

I'll be part of the one percent to forward this. I am forwarding it because it touches a nerve in me, and I hope it will in you.

Please keep passing it on until everyone in our country has read it.

The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a "Federal Benefit Payment." This isn't a benefit. It is our money paid out of our earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too. It totaled 15% of our income before taxes.

If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.

If you calculate the future value of your monthly invest-ment in social security ($375/month, including both you and your employers contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved!

This is your personal investment. Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month.

That's almost three times more than today's average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration. (Google it – it’s a fact).

And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.

Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger *Ponzi scheme* than Bernie Madoff ever did.

They took our money and used it elsewhere. They forgot (oh yes, they knew) that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn't have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them. And they didn't pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently they've told us that the money won't support us for very much longer. (Isn't it funny that they NEVER say this about welfare payments?)

But is it our fault they misused our investments? And now, to add insult to injury, they're calling it a *benefit*, as if we never worked to earn every penny of it.

Just because they borrowed the money doesn't mean that our investments were a charity!

Let's take a stand. We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government.

Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going for the sake of that 92% of our population who need it.

Then call it what it is: Our Earned Retirement Income.

99% of people won't forward this. Will you?

You can bet I WILL!!!
The Social Security check is now (or soon will be)... (show quote)


Another thing to remember, Joe Biden and the Democrats voted to start taxing or Social Security checks. As originally envisioned, Social Security was not taxed. Now, not only are they not giving us a fair return on our (forced) investment, they are taxing that money to take more away from us.
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