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Apr 18, 2015 07:51:53   #
Anonymous wrote:
So screw the 100 hard workers with families because we don't want to spoil the 1 out of them that's lazy? I'd have to disagree.


Anonymous,

It is obvious by the discussions here that the disagreement is about how many of each there are. All seem to agree that the truly needy should be given a hand up, not a hand out.

I tend to to look at the incentives involved in the FEDERAL government program, the politicians are looking for as many recipients (potential dependents) as they can get. Needless to say it is very attractive to be asked to receive a benefit (vote for govt expansion/democrat) that you may not really need, and the rolls grow out of proportion to the real needs. It is apparent by the number of single parent families (where the father can't be there and still receive benefits) that there are significant unintended consequences to this poorly administered program.

Summary: There is much bad about making dependents of able bodies persons and it is being excused as needed so the truly needy can get help.

Lets all work together and look for ways to more realistically evaluate real need, such as local level evaluations like charities do? Somehow get the vote buying politicians out of the picture. HOW ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF JUST AGREEING TO DISAGREE?

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Apr 18, 2015 07:08:50   #
Loki wrote:
Actual training camps are hard to hide, and it makes no sense to do them in Mexico when they are already established in the Middle East. More likely there are, llike I said, weapons caches in cartel controlled territory, close to the border. This is a far more efficient way of doing this. It is a simple matter to sneak 20 or 30 already trained terrorists at a time into this country, and an even simpler matter to have weapons hidden for them. Simple is best. They are hand in glove with the cartels our own BATFE has been so thoughtfully providing arms for, via "Fast and Furious."
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Loki,

What you say makes sense, this/these outposts could simply serve as way stations for new arrivals who are headed to planned "targets". These "camps" could also serve as safe havens for those terrorists that have been identified in the U. S. and need a place to hide. (Some "training/planning" could occur in these camps at times for specific missions). It is like being in friendly territory, controlled by the crime bosses.

It is hard for me to understand how anyone can doubt what the Muslim extremist have in mind for us when they TELL us what they want to do; and are presently purging large areas of middle east countries of Christians and bragging about the atrocities. :?: :?: :?: :?:

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Apr 15, 2015 07:41:35   #
buffalo wrote:
Here is the esteemed Thomas Sowell's take:

The New Inquisition

How long will this country remain free? Probably only as long as the American people value their freedom enough to defend it. But how many people today can stop looking at their electronic devices long enough to even think about such things?

Meanwhile, attempts to shut down people whose free speech interferes with other people's political agendas go on, with remarkably little notice, much less outrage. The Internal Revenue Service's targeting the tax-exempt status of conservative groups is just one of these attempts to fight political battles by shutting up the opposition, rather than answering them.

Another insidious attempt to silence voices that dissent from current politically correct crusades is targeting scientists who do not agree with the "global warming" scenario.

Congressman Raul Grijalva has been writing universities, demanding financial records showing who is financing the research of dissenting scientists, and demanding their internal communications as well. Mr. Grijalva says that financial disclosure needs to be part of the public's "right to know" who is financing those who express different views.

He is not the only politician pushing the idea that scientists who do not march in lockstep with what is called the "consensus" on man-made global warming could be just hired guns for businesses resisting government regulations. Senator Edward Markey has been sending letters to fossil-fuel companies, asking them to hand over details of their financial ties to critics of the "consensus."

The head of the National Academy of Sciences has chimed in, saying: "Scientists must disclose their sources of financial support to continue to enjoy societal trust and the respect of fellow scientists."

This is too clever by half. It sounds as if this government bureaucrat is trying to help the dissenting scientists enjoy trust and respect — as if these scientists cannot decide for themselves whether they consider such a practice necessary or desirable.

The idea that you can tell whether a scientist — or anybody else — is "objective" by who is financing that scientist's research is nonsense.

There is money available on many sides of many issues, so no matter what the researcher concludes, there will usually be somebody to financially support those conclusions.
Some of us are old enough to remember when this kind of game was played by Southern segregationist politicians trying to hamstring civil rights organizations like the NAACP by pressuring them to reveal who was contributing money to them. Such revelations would of course then subject NAACP supporters to all sorts of retaliations, and dry up contributions.

The public's "right to know" has often been invoked in attempts to intimidate potential supporters of ideas that the inquisitors want to silence. But have you heard of any groundswell of public demand to know who is financing what research?

Science is not about "consensus" but facts. Not only were some physicists not initially convinced by Einstein's theory of relativity, Einstein himself said that it should not be accepted until empirical evidence could test it.

That test came during an eclipse, when light behaved as Einstein said it would, rather than the way it should have behaved if the existing "consensus" was correct.

That is how scientific questions should be settled, not by political intimidation. There is already plenty of political weight on the scales, on the side of those pushing the "global warming" scenario.

The fact that "global warming" models are not doing a very good job of predicting actual temperatures has led to a shift in rhetoric, with "climate change" now being substituted. This is an issue that needs to be contested by scientists using science, not political muscle.

Too many universities are too willing to be stampeded by pressure groups. Have we forgotten Duke University's caving in to a lynch mob mentality during the "gang rape" hoax in 2006? Or the University of Virginia doing the same thing more recently?

Politicians determined to get their own way by whatever means necessary may have no grand design to destroy freedom, but what they are doing can amount to totalitarianism on the installment plan.
Here is the esteemed Thomas Sowell's take: br br ... (show quote)


buffalo,

Very good post, it points out the DELIBERATE progressive tactic of simply trying to silence the opposition by denigrating the opposition instead of having to respond to the real disagreement/discussion.

More people need to understand this tactic and demand that real, understandable justifications must be provided if we are expected to give the politicians our money and our freedom.

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Apr 15, 2015 07:18:31   #
KHH1 wrote:
ISIS running training camp on Texas border

Terrorists employing 'spotters' to help with border crossings
Published: 2 hours ago
Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.
Judicial Watch, the Washington watchdog that monitors the government, has released a new report warning that ISIS is running a camp just a few miles from the Texas border.

The warning follows reports from Judicial Watch in recent months that Islamic terrorists have been captured in Texas after coming across the U.S. border from Mexico.

The organization said just last winter its sources within the Department of Homeland Security said several ISIS terror group members were arrested by federal authorities and the Texas Department of Public Safety in McAllen and Pharr.

The warnings conflict with claims by the Department of Homeland Security there is not an imminent danger of ISIS breaching the nation’s southern border.

In its newest report, on Tuesday, Judicial Watch said its sources for the information about the ISIS camp include a Mexican Army field grade officer and a Mexican federal police inspector.

“The exact location where the terrorist group has established its base is around eight miles from the U.S. border in an area known as ‘Anapra’ situated just west of Ciudad Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Another ISIS cell to the west of Ciudad Juárez, in Puerto Palomas, targets the New Mexico towns of Columbus and Deming for easy access to the United States, the same knowledgeable sources confirm,” Judicial Watch said.

What does Islam have to do with end times? It’s all in “God’s War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible,” by Walid Shoebat with Joel Richardson.

“During the course of a joint operation last week, Mexican Army and federal law enforcement officials discovered documents in Arabic and Urdu, as well as ‘plans’ of Fort Bliss – the sprawling military installation that houses the U.S. Army’s 1st Armored Division. Muslim prayer rugs were recovered with the documents during the operation,” Judicial Watch said.

The report said the Anapra region is under the influence of the Vicente Carrillo Fuentes Cartel of drug runners, La Línea, which is the “enforcement arm” of the drug operations, and the Barrio Azteca, which is a gang originally formed in the jails of El Paso.

“According to these same sources, ‘coyotes’ engaged in human smuggling – and working for Juárez Cartel – help move ISIS terrorists through the desert and across the border between Santa Teresa and Sunland Park, New Mexico. To the east of El Paso and Ciudad Juárez, cartel-backed ‘coyotes’ are also smuggling ISIS terrorists through the porous border between Acala and Fort Hancock, Texas. These specific areas were targeted for exploitation by ISIS because of their understaffed municipal and county police forces, and the relative safe-havens the areas provide for the unchecked large-scale drug smuggling that was already ongoing,” the report said.

Judicial Watch said ISIS “has ‘spotters’ located in the East Potrillo Mountains of New Mexico (largely managed by the Bureau of Land Management) to assist with terrorist border crossing operations.”

Also, reconnaissance is going on at regional universities; the White Sands Missile Range; government facilities in Alamogordo, New Mexico; Fort Bliss; and the electrical power facilities near Anapra and Chaparral, New Mexico.

WND reported in October Judicial Watch sources said four “Islamic terrorists” were captured in Texas in just 36 hours.

It was about that time that Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., confirmed in a TV interview that jihadists with the Middle Eastern group ISIS were caught coming into the U.S. from Mexico.

He said his information came from the Border Patrol.

“They were caught at the border … therefore, we know that ISIS is coming across the border,” he said. “If they catch five or 10 of them, we know there are dozens more that did not get caught.”

Judicial Watch said it confirmed its information after Hunter, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, was interviewed by the Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren.

Hunter said that if the administration really wants to protect Americans from ISIS, it needs to secure the southern border.

“It’s that simple. ISIS doesn’t have a navy, they don’t have an air force, they don’t have nuclear weapons,” he said. “The only way that ISIS is going to harm Americans is by coming in through the southern border – which they already have.”

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson denied the reports at the time.

He told CNN, “Let’s not unduly create fear and anxiety in the public by passing on speculation and rumor.”

WND reported last fall a warning from Judicial Watch there was an ISIS presence in Mexico, just across the border from Texas.

One Texas sheriff said last fall was confident he could handle the threat.

“If there are ISIS fighters that may already be in the United States, or in your area who’ve crossed the border, what’s your message to them?” CNN’s Don Lemon asked Midland County Sheriff, Gary Painter.

“If they rear their ugly heads, we’ll send them to hell,” Painter said.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/isis-running-training-camp-on-texas-border/#zSL1X8Pd4lmtGcaK.99
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KHH1,

Very good post, thanks for the good information. The only real problem with the post is the title which includes "hysteria". For your information...It really isn't "emotional instability" to understand the truth and try to protect yourself, thus the title misnomer on your part. (An accident, I'm sure?..though emotional instability may belong SOMEWHERE in this conversation. :| )

I hope that you will realistically consider the threat of ISIS along with us "righties". (They are coming for you too).

Anyway, it is good that you are beginning to recognize what is happening in the world. The post was very informative. (I'll try very hard to not get too hysterical).

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Apr 13, 2015 07:21:23   #
KHH1 wrote:
I think poor and racist whites are being used most of all....have their jobs shipped out, unions destroyed, have them against healthcare they do not have..use them as cannon fodder in wars that make others rich..even have them believing they are still better than blacks who they have less than..amazing......and most of all.....they really think coporations give a damn about them so they throw themselves at their feet for crumbs..which never happen like trickle down economics.......


KHH1,

You have a very warped perception of what is or should be, I suspect you are searching for anything that will justify your feelings of racial prejudice in whites, even though the thoughts above have very little to do with race.

Healthcare? Before Obamacare everyone who wanted health insurance could choose to go buy it on the free market. Those who couldn't afford it could qualify for Medicaid. All who went to Emergency care were treated, no one was legally turned away. Obamacare is more about government control than it is about health care and the true cost is significantly increasing due in part to the IRS bureaucracy needed to administer it (16,000 new personnel - a real health care cost).

As for corporations giving a damn about the "people" (both black and white)...Why would you expect it, corporations have no feelings, in a free enterprise system they continue to stay in business only because they make a profit. WITHOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL they make a profit only because you and I CHOOSE to buy what they are selling. They provide what we need in order to live, we don't need gifts from them. You need to quit believing and regurgitating the Democratic talking points like "business bad/government good - you are a victim because they don't care about you".

Get your head on straight, you will feel better.

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Apr 12, 2015 07:07:25   #
KHH1 wrote:
Since you talk about what THEY need to do, what do whites need to do? Their crimes are much more diabolical, but that is okay, correct? Is their anything you find wrong with THEM?


KHH1,

What do whites need to do? (There are limitations to what well intentioned whites CAN do).

Some "Whites" need to quit fostering black/white problems by misrepresenting the racial problems for political gain. All the other "whites" can do is explain the problem and hope the blacks are willing to listen and understand.

Blacks are being used by people seeking political power, simply put, blacks are being told they are victims of whites/whites are bigots, and they need the government (Democrats) to protect them. It is a deliberate program; has been for a long time. And effective, 90% black votes for Democrats. YOU ARE BEING USED, can't you see that?

There is racism still, always will be some, but nowhere on the scale being touted by this administration. There is more racism (white against blacks) today than there was when this administration was first elected. There is also much more racism (Blacks against whites) than there was when Obama was first elected. The trend is in the wrong direction, You can see this, right?

Blacks are told (all) whites are bigoted and hate blacks because of color, This causes resentment in blacks who accept that all whites are biased because of color, get a chip on their shoulder, and this leads to bad behavior. Whites associate the black race with bad behavior. Racial tension builds, it is happening on purpose.

All colors.....Go out and get an education and a job, accept that you are personally responsible for what value you are to the community by what you contribute, (like so many successful blacks have already done), don't marry and have children before you can support and educate them, get the chip off your shoulder so you can work with all races, and you will be accepted and successful.

Give this some real honest consideration, it will be very hard for you to do. But the facts are, NO ONE ELSE CAN DO IT FOR YOU. Many politicians don't want this to happen.

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Apr 11, 2015 08:25:41   #
motive power wrote:
KHH1 you and I have had good talks and bad talks on a number of different things, so why you can not connect the dots on this issue and be a man about it has me baffeled. From recent events and the people involved and the entire situation start to finish has shown me that blacks are more racist than whites. You also will not except any responsibility for your part in any issue. Until you people grow up and put on your big boy pants and stop acting like pissed off 3 year olds, nothing is going to change. :roll: :roll: :roll:
KHH1 you and I have had good talks and bad talks o... (show quote)


motive power,

Don't know how it could have said any better. :thumbup:

The number of people with KHH1's condition (unthinking, unreasonable loyalty to the President's "hate someone" program) continues to surprise me.

Makes me wonder if it is a permanent condition or if a "significant emotional event" (like a swift kick in the butt, of a whack on the head) will be enough to cure them when the inexorable confrontation occurs as this "hate your neighbor" program continues.

People like KHH1 need to wake up and realize they are being used by this president for political purposes.

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Apr 10, 2015 07:24:54   #
KHH1 wrote:
Call it the " I don't give a f-k what people like you think" trait......


KHH1,

Think for a minute....my post wasn't for my benefit, it was for your benefit. You shouldn't care what I think, but it is very important that you can think well of yourself. Your false "friends" tell you about how smart your stupid comments are, your true benefactors are those who tell you the truth.

Don't you believe personal integrity has value? Is that why you hate and continue to knowingly practice deception? Practices like this only end badly for the perpetrator. Can't you do better? It would help us all, you included.

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Apr 9, 2015 07:55:39   #
lindajoy wrote:
Here's an interesting read as well~~
Although I don't personally take much stock in Snopes~~Given who owns them I mean~~~
Just more food for thought~~

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

<snip>
The President of the United States cannot enact a "complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations." The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution of the United States, and in the 1957 case Reid v. Covert, the U.S. Supreme Court established that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the U.S. Senate.

As Rachel Stohl, a senior associate with the Managing Across Boundaries initiative at the Stimson Center and co-author of the book The International Arms Trade, noted:
Those opposed to the accord have misrepresented what it does, suggesting that it would somehow infringe on American gun owners’ rights. It would do nothing of the kind.

The treaty applies only to international transfers of conventional arms and, in fact, reaffirms “the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms” within its territory. The treaty's preamble also makes specific reference to the legitimate trade, lawful ownership and use of certain conventional arms for recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities.

Secretary of State John Kerry emphasized these points in his statement welcoming the treaty's adoption, noting that “nothing in this treaty could ever infringe on the rights of American citizens under our domestic law or the Constitution, including the Second Amendment,” a point on which the United States insisted throughout the negotiations. This treaty has no reach into domestic gun policy, nor would it create a United Nations gun registry. There is absolutely nothing in it that violates the Second Amendment.
In short, there is no "legal way around the 2nd Amendment" other than a further amendment to the Constitution that repeals or alters it, or a Supreme Court decision that radically reinterprets how the 2nd Amendment is to be applied
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp#0syu5xMZhsppzuDg.99 <snip>
Here's an interesting read as well~~ br Although I... (show quote)


lindajoy,

It is simply a further "step" toward gun control. All significant change requires small steps done deliberately. Some "steps" not so gradual.. and constitutional protections?...An example of this would be the recent immigration executive orders issued by Obama. Much damage is being/will be done even if the executive actions are finally found to be unconstitutional.

Giving the UN more POWER in anything is a mistake.

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Apr 9, 2015 07:37:44   #
KHH1 wrote:
I just posted the article...that is all........no need to attach anything to me......


KHH1,

How dishonest (or dumb?) can you be?

Trying to duck any responsibility for the false opinion piece won't work KHH1.

Were you responsible for the post title?,

Were you the one responsible for deciding to post this faulty slanted opinion?

what title did you choose? "What Happens When That Rightwing Anti-Muslim Sentiment Goes Too Far" ....As much as you would like to (dishonestly) duck any responsibility, you made a statement with the title and the decision to post it.

Your lack of honesty is showing. (Is this a liberal trait? or just a personal one?) Stand up, be responsible for what you do.

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Apr 8, 2015 07:35:42   #
KHH1 wrote:
*Really? Over a Parking Spot?

North Carolina killings detailed
Neighbor complained about parking, then fired at three Muslim students several times each, prosecutor says.
BY DAVID ZUCCHINO
DURHAM, N.C. — A prosecutor described in court here Monday how Craig Stephen Hicks, accused of killing three Muslim college students Feb. 10, methodically shot each one several times after a dispute over a parking space.
Hicks told police that he retrieved a handgun from his apartment after he arrived home that day and encountered “certain issues … involving parking,” Assistant Dist. Atty. James Dornfried told a packed courtroom as he petitioned a judge to apply the death penalty in the case.
Hicks confronted Deah Shaddy Barakat, 23, at Barakat’s front door and “there was a brief interaction, a discussion” involving parking. Hicks then shot Barakat several times, Dornfried said.
When Barakat’s newlywed wife, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, 21, and her sister, Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha, 19, began screaming, Hicks stepped inside the apartment and shot both women, Dornfried said.
“They were alive after the first volley,” the prosecutor said. “Each one of these women was then shot in the head.”
He added: “The defendant then started exiting the apartment and shot Deah Barakat a final time.”
Moments after Dornfried described the killings, Dr. Mohammad Abu-Salha, the father of the two women, passed a few feet behind Hicks at the defense table and muttered: “Coward. Scumbag.”
Hicks, 46, who sat manacled in an orange prison uniform, glanced up at Abu-Sal-ha but did not respond.
Friends and relatives of the victims’ families glared at Hicks as they left the courtroom after the brief hearing.
Terry W. Alford, a private attorney assigned to assist a court-appointed state capital defender who is leading Hicks’ defense, did not contest the prosecutor’s request for the death penalty.
Durham Superior Court Judge Orlando F. Hudson Jr. ruled that the prosecution had met the state standard for a capital case.
Hicks is charged with three counts of first-degree murder and discharging a firearm into an occupied dwelling.
Dornfried said Yusor Abu-Salha’s blood was found on Hicks’ pants, and shell casings from the scene matched a handgun confiscated from Hicks’ car.
Hudson set the next hearing in the case for the first week of June.
The three students lived in an apartment below the unit occupied by Hicks and his wife on Summerwalk Circle in the Finley Forest complex in Chapel Hill. Gunshots were heard in the busy complex just after 5 p.m. on Feb. 10.
Chapel Hill police said the shootings stemmed from a parking dispute.
Neighbors said Hicks was notorious for angrily confronting residents and visitors about parking or noise. He often called a towing company to remove cars he said were parked in spaces he claimed were reserved for him and his wife.
Two days after the shootings, the U.S. Justice Department announced that the FBI had begun a preliminary investigation into whether the shootings amounted to a hate crime. The decision came after the case received worldwide attention, propelled by a social media campaign tagged #muslimlivesmatter.
Friends and family members of the three students said the victims were targeted because of their religion.
Barakat’s brother, Farris, and Deah’s close friend and former apartment roommate, Imad Ahmad, told The Times that Hicks’ anger intensified after the Abu-Salha sisters, who wore Muslim head scarves, began spending more time at the apartment. Yusor Abu-Sal-ha moved in after the couple married Dec. 27.
Deah Barakat was a dental student at the University of North Carolina. His wife was to join him in the dental program this fall. Razan Abu-Salha was a student in the design school at North Carolina State University.
Hicks, a paralegal student at Durham Technical Community College, surrendered to police the evening of the shootings.
On his Facebook page, Hicks wrote, “Some call me a gun toting Liberal, others call me an open-minded Conservative.”
Hicks, who described himself as an atheist or “anti-theist,” railed against organized religion on his Facebook page. He did not specifically criticize Islam, and neighbors said in interviews that they never heard him make any comments about the religion.
Karen Hicks, Hicks’ wife of seven years, denied that the shootings were a result of religious hatred.
“I can say that it is my absolute belief that this incident had nothing to do with religion or the victims’ faith, but in fact was related to long-standing parking disputes my husband had with various neighbors regardless of their race, religion or creed,” she said.
But Namee Barakat, the father of Deah Barakat, said in February that his son and the two women were possibly killed because of their Muslim faith.
“This is more than just about parking,” Barakat said. “Three people get shot in the head. The death penalty would not be enough.” david.zucchino
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KHH1,

I am trying to understand why you would want to intentionally misrepresent this case. The man's extreme past actions were so numerous and severe, even to having cars towed, it is such a far reach to ignore that conclusion and try to blame it on Muslim hate by "Right wingers".

Maybe tomorrow you can post it again and say he must have hated women (if that suits your purpose), because two of the victims were women. Just as logical.

It is apparent you have an unreasonable hatred for "Right Wing" people (whoever they are), that must be the driver behind your post. (Hard to find something legitimate???)

That hatred is making you sound like an idiot, if you are not careful, it will destroy you and your credibility.

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Apr 8, 2015 07:17:58   #
MsAtta2d wrote:
HOORAY – a 53-46 vote But this is WAY Too Close - Note below the people who voted for this. Any butt-kissing going on here, perhaps? Or are they all just stupid and negligent concerning our 2nd Amendment?

By a 53-46 vote - The U.S. Senate voted against the U.N. resolution. HOORAY.
This is that brief, glorious moment in history
when everyone stands around...reloading.
Now, Which 46 Senators Voted to Destroy Us? Well, let their names become known ! See below . If you vote in one of the states listed with these 46 “legis-traitors”… vote against them.
In a 53-46 vote, the Senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. The Statement of Purpose from the Senate Bill reads: "To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty." The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S. and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry, now get this, on all private guns and ammo.
Astonishingly, 46 out of our 100 United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.
Here are the 46 senators who voted to give your rights to the U.N.:
Baldwin (D-WI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Coons (D-DE)
Cowan (D-MA)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hirono (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Folks: This needs to go viral. These Senators voted to let the UN take OUR guns. They need to lose their next election. We have been betrayed.
46 Senators Voted to Give your 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to the U.N.
Please send this to SOMEONE
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MsAtta2d,

One striking, significant feature of this list is that they are all DEMOCRATS OR INDEPENDENTS. (Not saying that some Republicans are blameless in other things.)

This tells us something about what the Democratic party has become, they have just proved that they are more concerned about party power and their jobs than they are about preserving the freedom of our country.

Consider: This list of people can't really be so stupid that they believe that banning personal firearms will make America's citizens safer, so their deliberate traitorous act becomes apparent to any person who cares to think about it. America must be disarmed if the new world order is to succeed as an armed, independent, freedom loving America stands in its way.

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Apr 6, 2015 07:24:36   #
KHH1 wrote:
I understand wholeheartedly...when three strikes first came out...anyone with two would kill anytime there was a potential witness (the robbed and witness bystanders)...because the third strike would get them 25yrs to life.....I wanted to reach for the gun but he was to my left and i am right handed....real quick hands...if he would have been to my right...I would have wrestled him for it..but he was to my left and if I missed i would have been shit out of luck so I went to Plan B.....which fortunately worked.....
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KHH1,

More to the real analogy....And you do understand that had your robber been psychologically impaired (hated you or thought he deserved your money)your plan B would not have worked and you would be broke (but not dead - so plan B was probably the right choice, only money needed to be at risk)

Now consider a more comparable situation where a psychotic (perhaps religious fanatic) is looking to kill someone like you and is threatening you (the pause in his mission is so he can determine exactly what religion you are and asked you to recite the Koran as proof that you are Muslim), what are the odds that plan B would have left you alive (that is if you refused to convert to Islam)? That is the point regarding this "deal" Obama has negotiated. Iran has a global religious mission.

History is littered with nations/dictators who have had a mission; and conflicts (wars) to resist their missions were generally the result. The Crusades (as brutal as that was) was the result/response to the Muslims' first attempt to convert the early known world to Islam. HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF. At what point do we begin resistance, negotiations is simply a cover for Iran. Deception is a Koran stated approved strategy as long as it furthers the Islamic religion.
(The old familiar: Ends justifies the means)

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Apr 5, 2015 07:26:56   #
KHH1 wrote:
Okay McCain...call them liars and go bomb them then...all I am saying is give the talks a chance to work..I know about the other options but they are to be avoided if possible.........


KHH1,

A lot of talk about war or negotiations as being the only options. The other options include Iranian Mullahs giving up their goal of a global caliphate by conquest or being deposed by the Iranian population when their economy tanks under sanctions. (That is the best option if we don't want nuclear proliferation and the event of bringing forth the fourth Mahdri as Iran wants)

Under the present "agreement" they have simply decided to wait us out in order to remove the crippling sanctions that the world had imposed. (Ten years is a short time in the life of a nation or a religion).

As for McCain "go bomb them", should he do this before or after they have nuked us?

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Apr 5, 2015 07:13:12   #
KHH1 wrote:
sure I have...but i'm intelligent and my experiences don't traumatize me where I move forward through life with my mind made up...I was held at gunpoint one time at an ATM.......I used psychology....Itold the guy do not shoot and I can probably get you even more than I just gave you....I did and the guy became apologetic about the whole thing......he let me go safely, the cops caught him later and the bank refunded my money. for a minute after that...I was packing when going to an ATM...but sense prevailed and I wondered what would happen if a police officer noticed my gun.......even though I am the last person who would harm anyone, the officer would not know that...intelligence consists of continually re-evaluating your own thinking and realizing that even though you may be smart, you are not as smart as you could be...,formally or informally.......
sure I have...but i'm intelligent and my experienc... (show quote)


KHH1,

You may have something there, maybe if we can make Iran like us they will renounce Islam and turn Christian, then no need for the conflicts (wars) being waged to establish the world Islamic Caliphate, PROBLEM SOLVED! Smart !

I can see you do understand much, your post above makes a lot of sense in some circumstances. The problem may be that you don't understand that there are fervent religiously inspired individuals/societies (unlike your robber) that don't believe robbing or killing you (under their prescribed circumstances) are a bad thing and don't look at your kindness as laudable but instead as a weakness, a signal to proceed. (Are you able to see the difference?)

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