Then YOU should be able to explain it... So, CAN you?


OK


Yeah, that's just not the case. I'm a successful white male, I'm probably one of the least victimized people on this web site which is why I can be so annoyingly objective. I'm looking at this more from an observational perspective. Like you, I see fault on all sides, but I'm also recognizing an anomaly. Trump is only a part of it, there is a growing resentment rising out of an increasingly ignorant population. It's a ripe harvest for fascism and Trump is following all the steps. I joke about him being too lame to achieve it and... well, actually I'm not joking about that, I do think he's too lame but it's not Trump that concerns me. It's the fact that if people are stupid enough to fall for his BS, what's to stop a more capable person from talking advantage of that growing ignorance and resentment?

LOL - Maybe it seems that way to you. And maybe it's true for some of the anti-Trump people. Keep in mind the people who oppose Trump's presidency come from a wide range of cultures, and political affiliations. We are not all the same. Some of them I don't care much for. Also bear in mind that almost all of the media in America is commercially driven, so they cover what sells and I can tell you now, right-wing consumers are far more interested in those crazy left-wing activists, than they are in people like me.

BTW, I realize it works the same way on both sides... I can see how the left-wing media focuses on the worst examples of Trump supporters and it gets worse as you leave the mainstream. My left and right are the NYT and the WSJ.



Politicians typically lie through omission or creative interpretation, it's usually more like stretching the truth. Unfortunately, not everyone is smart enough to figure out their rhetoric and these people will most likely fall back on accusations of outright falsehood. Back when we had a real president, I challenged people here to come up with a list of Obama's lies and most of them were actually missed targets. A fine point but when a leader says we're going to reach for 100% this year and a year later the tally comes up to 60%, it's not that the leader lied, he just couldn't predict the future. These are the subtleties that allow people to draw a distinction between the clever rhetoric of standard politics and the blatant lies we get from Trump. He is the first president in televised history to have lied as frequently and as well, stupidly as he does... pretty much every time he opens his mouth.

The second thing to consider here is that it's not so much Trump's lies that bother us. If anything, his lies becomes a cash cow stories for the left-wing media because people on the left have a morbid fascination with them. It's like dark humor. What "bothers" us is watching you folks fall for it. It's hard to share a democracy with morons, 'cause they screw things up for all of us.


People don't become millionaires from serving in public office. The highest salary is $400,000 for the president, in Congress they get about half that and it goes down from there. People are either wealthy before they take office like Bush and Trump or they make their money after they leave office like the Clintons did.


If you are defining the decline of this country as the result of a decline in moral fabric, that's got very little to do with politics. That has more to do with younger generations find other ways to co-exist with the world and uptight clingers getting their panties in a wad over it. I know that you bro ;)

"Shut up or we'll hurt you?"
They raise their voices hysterically and tell Trump to shut up or we will hurt you, we'll even go so far as to impeach you, some have threatened to kill him.
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Yeaaah - I dunno... "Shut up or we'll hurt you"? I don't think so... I can see that happening with anonymous letters and chickensh-t like that but raising their voices and telling Trump to his face to "Shut up or we'll hurt you" ? Yeah, that would be a headline story. And again, Obama got far worse from the racists than Trump ever got from scary snowflakes.


You can be determined and stupid at the same time... ask any jack-ass. Blunt like turrets, plain speaking like retarded.


No he's not. He's criminally dishonest. You know what he's doing right now? Him and his brood of vile spawn? They're trying to push a class-action lawsuit filed against them for racketeering into arbitration so it won't be visible to the public. The courts have denied the motion and now they're appealing to the Supreme Court. Just to have their case pushed to private arbitration. The charges are against the deceitful actions carried out by Trump and his three stooge children before Trump even got to office.

You folks want to make this all about a reaction to his presidency and he already had a trail of lies and lawsuits before he even got to Washington. That why most Americans voted against him. Most Americans already knew he's a crook.


No, they hate him because of his lying, his disrespect and his legal actions. We also hate having to share a democracy with the suckers that think Trump is telling the truth.

Look. Rose, telling me that others have explained his position only tells me that it's not actually HIS position. Part of the reason why I asked him to explain his position is because despite what you say, I haven't actually seen him do it. All I ever see him do is send links to cheesy videos.

If that's what you think I mean when I say explain your position, you're mistaken.

That would be like a liberal who "believes in science" tossing out Einstein's paper on his General Theory of Relativity and saying "here - this explains my position". The fact is that liberal might not understand any of it. He just knows it's science.

I think that's what a lot of people on your side do. The channels are pretty segregated at this point, you can reach into any right-wing media bucket and pull out something you might not understand but you know it's right-wing, so you throw it at us as us and expect us to believe it's your position.

To be honest, I don't think you OR Mike can really explain why you support Trump without admitting something you don't want to admit to. Like being racist (just an example, not an accusation). Instead you just bury it under a pile of what you hope are rational arguments by people you think are smarter than us.

So, you can prove me wrong or you can respond with more insults and lame excuses, which will only reinforce my assumptions. You're choice.

Yeah, it's just bizarre to watch. He obviously has a problem with people who don't cater to his ego. Maybe that's what happens to spoiled brats who get coddled all their lives.

Yeah, me too.

'Seems more like the other way around, where the media is tweaking him.


Are you condoning sneaky politics?

And what exactly do you think his associates are doing in the 12 hours between Trump's blunder and his walk back the next morning that they couldn't do any other time?

And just how distracted do you think we were? Just because we were laughing our assess off doesn't mean we're any more distracted than normal. We're always laughing our assess off. Trump is the funniest president we've ever had.


LOL - what does plandemic mean Mike?

And how is anyone illegally taking your votes away?

Also, what rules do you think Trump's opposition has broken?

You're rants include a LOT of baseless accusations Mike - are you going to back up your smack or are you just blabbering?


Dream on Big Boy... Trump's got nothing. He's been out of his league since the day he walked in. Our system just wasn't prepared to deal with such a moron in office - none of the founders ever thought it would happen and the current leaders are trying to honor the office despite the current occupant, that's one of only two reasons why Trump hasn't been taken down. The other reason are the oligarchs that like having a moron for a puppet in the White House.

What a cop out. LOL You just can't explain your position without referring to other posts or videos to speak for you or a general waving in the air saying "the information is out there". That's a cop out dude.

Funny how things like that just spew out without the slightest explanation.

No... I said Mike was reducing everything to pro-Trump and anti-Trump (which he made very clear) and that's WHY I called his thinking simple. You really ought to learn how to read English.


Then show me.


See? That's not showing me how your support for Trump is any more "detailed than personality". That's just continuing your rant about people who piss you off.


Oh, so now it *IS* simple. Can you make up your mind?


LOL - I knew that would get ya. ;)

Yeah, it's tempting to say that. I guess I'm giving him some benefit of doubt. There are certain laws that allow for a president to assume near-absolute power in cases of emergency and I think that's what he was calling absolute. Like I said, he's just not very articulate. He's also very impulsive, so he tends to blurt things out leaving his staff scrambling to control the damage. LOL

As for that power, he was incorrect in stating it applies to the given situation and that's why he had to walk it back the next day. He has to invoke those powers first and that would be a bad move if he wants to be reelected.

That doesn't change what I said about being too weak to deal with it.


Yeah, you keep saying that but you never back it up. I don't think you know anything about anyone's agenda. All you know is when someone opposes Trump then you get all riled up. LOL


That's nothing compared to seething hatred and lies volleyed from the right that Obama had to deal with and he never lost his cool or got goaded into saying idiot things.


I don't believe any lie is justified and they're certainly not necessary to attack Trump. Lying is what you folks had to do to attack Obama and Clinton. Trump, on the other hand, is a motherlode of corruption, incompetence and lies. His attackers don't need to dream anything up. The late night comedians don't even need writers anymore. LOL


I think that precedence for open disrespect for any president was already set when Obama was on office. As for impeachment, if you think it was illegitimate then you don't understand the law.


Well, you are obviously a dedicated partisan. Maybe one day you will surprise me with a rational argument instead of endless rants.

So, that's it? When you refer to "us" you are referring to Trump? That sounds like a cult of personality. Do you have his portrait in your bedroom? LOL

Well, coming from you I know it would have to be simple, but... other side of what?

I suppose it's obvious I don't like Trump. So is THAT the other side for you? Does your entire universe revolve around Trump. So everyone is either pro-Trump or anti-Trump and nothing else matters? LOL

Look, If you had the capacity to understand more, you might actually realize that neither myself nor anyone with my political profile is responsible for giving Trump ANYTHING. But you make it very clear, that you don't understand these things, so I guess a challenging conversation is out of the question.

I'm just glad to remind you that there are people who don't agree with those in your tiny little circle of outcasts that think Trump will beat up the world for you.

Oh, the Rothchild Cabal... You're one of those folks that think our elections are so important to the "Rothchilds" that they stake their fortunes on them. I give that a 1:10000 chance of being true. The Bushes are part of the business world built on the foundation of the new world order brought about by the American hegemony that followed WW2. That NWO is called neoliberalism and it's been the vanguard of free-market capitalism for the last 80 years. The Clintons became part of that world order through their foundation after leaving the White House. Compared to the Bushes the Trumps are small potatoes and Trump probably has a huge chip on his shoulder because he was never included in that top level and that probably explains his whole thing with the "deep state".


Well, I know that's what you folks tell each other all the time. The fact of the matter is there is a wide range of reactions to Trump for a wide variety of reasons and few of them are about Clinton losing the election, although it's apparently the only reason that can be understood at a 3rd grade level.



Who is "us"?

Do you mean racists? No, we don't give chances to racists.
Do you means misogynists? No, we don't give chances to them either.
Do you mean fascists? Nope, sorry.

Oh, man - you are one gullible dude. The only smart people "helping" him are leveraging him for their own purpose.


Yeah, that actually doesn't make any sense.


Yeah, that's all standard business practice, especially in marketing and sales. I have lunch with people like that all the time and yes they make references to Sun Tsu's wisdom.


Yeah, I have no clue what that means.


What kind of war are you talking about?