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Aug 17, 2018 12:31:42   #
Thank you Sicillanthing! I do like history myself. Yes, FDR would recognize Social Security & Medicare, in a heartbeat. The reason we have not had lines at a soup-kitchen is Social Security. Yes, a society does so much better when there is a bedrock safety-net when economic times are bad. I think too much I'm told.

I don't think FDR would recognize what "Insurance" has turned into. Big profits in insurance back then & the banks so involved we now can't really tell the difference between banks & insurance companies.

Newspapers printed the "end of the world" regarding Social Security all coming from conservatives at the time. I didn't see the end of any society regarding Social Security.

Guess we will always have people who honestly believe with every once of their being that people die and those deaths can make people rich. Yes, cold, heartless, no empathy. The same who insist upon the heart & empathy provided to them, as if "they" deserve such consideration. I had a job once where so many people felt they worked harder than anyone else so a particular law/rule (like speed limit) didn't apply to them. As soon as I found the rule/law and asked where does it say "EXCEPT" for you? Too often some abusive attitude was directed to me. We will always have these "SCUM" around us. I always say to stay away from them, don't associate with them & their numbers will dwindle. They love to chat among themselves and give some attitude to whoever looks upon anything different than they do. We need these people, otherwise we would have nothing to laugh at.

You did well with your description.

Sicilianthing wrote:
The Truth About Social Security Its Critics Refuse to Acknowledge

President Franklin Roosevelt signed our Social Security system into law eighty-three years ago today, on August 14, 1935. It has stood the test of time.

Social Security protects us against the economic consequences of risks to which all of us are vulnerable.
Rich or poor, any of us can suffer a devastating, disabling accident or illness.
Rich or poor, any of us can die prematurely, leaving young children behind.
Rich or poor, all of us hope to grow old.

When we do, if we are to have a dignified and independent retirement, we need a guaranteed steady income which we cannot and will not outlive.

Social Security addresses universal economic risks that have always been with us and always will be.

That explains why more than 170 countries today have some form of social security.
It also explains Social Security’s deep and longstanding popularity in our country.

In a survey conducted in 1936—one year after the enactment of Social Security, before a penny of benefits was expended—68 percent of those surveyed expressed approval for the new and untested program.

By 1944, that percentage was a nearly unanimous 96 percent. That high level of support has been consistent throughout the last eighty years.

Despite Social Security’s more than eighty-year history, some elites either do not understand Social Security or willfully refuse to understand it. They talk about providing benefits to those who need them, as if the program were government largesse, which it is not. Rather, Social Security is insurance that is earned through work and paid for with premiums regularly deducted from workers’ pay.

In addition, elites often speak as if the trust funds were some kind of gimmick, somehow less real than private pension trust funds. Perhaps most absurd are those who claim that what the creators of Social Security intended is not the program we now have.

Indeed, today’s discussions of Social Security are replete with revisionist history—statements made today about what was or was not intended by its original creators and champions. Some of today’s revisionist statements are zombie lies: Claims made and refuted again and again over the last eighty years; claims that refuse to die.

Former Senator Alan Simpson (R-WY), for example, has stated that Social Security “was never intended as a retirement program. It was set up in ’37 and ’38 to take care of people who were in distress—ditch diggers, wage earners….” Nationally syndicated columnist George Will claims, “People forget Social Security was advocated … in the 1930s, as a way of getting people to quit working, because they thought we were confined to a permanent scarcity of jobs in this country.”

Syndicated columnist Robert Samuelson in a column entitled, “Would Roosevelt recognize today’s Social Security?” even claims, “Social Security has evolved into something he never intended and actively opposed.” Samuelson, Will, Simpson, and the other revisionist historians are wrong. Indeed, to state it bluntly, those modern-day statements are all nonsense.

Roosevelt’s and the other founders’ words and actions make clear that they envisioned Social Security to be a permanent part of the economy, once the Great Depression was history.

They knew that the nation would return to full employment. When we did, the goal was to have in place Social Security and other programs that improved the economic security of all Americans and prevented, as much as possible, the human cost imposed by the ups and downs of all modern economies.

In particular, Social Security was not designed to alleviate the suffering of people caught in the immediate distress of the Great Depression, nor to get people to quit their jobs. Rather, it was set up as wage insurance that people earned.

This should be obvious to anyone with even a superficial knowledge of Social Security’s history. Because the architects knew that it would take time and work to earn Social Security’s benefits, the Social Security Act of 1935 was written so that not a single penny of those earned monthly retirement benefits was payable for seven years!

But the absurdity of those revisionist historians goes much further than simply being wrong on the facts. They seek to expunge the far-sighted and noble vision of Social Security’s founders. President Roosevelt and those around him had a sweeping vision that still has yet to be fully realized.

When Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act of 1935 into law, he described it as “a cornerstone in a structure which is being built but is by no means complete.” He and his colleagues were anything but short-sighted. They were not simply and solely focused on the immediate distress caused by the Great Depression, as the revisionists would have us believe. Rather, they saw Social Security as a “cornerstone,” a beginning on which to build.

Despite today’s revisionists, the structure and size of today’s Social Security program is completely consistent and harmonious with what Roosevelt began. Medicare is consistent with a first step toward the vision of universal health insurance. The revisionists are wrong when they claim that Roosevelt would not recognize today’s Social Security and Medicare.

He would be surprised that more progress hadn’t been made, but he would absolutely recognize how those who came later built on what he envisioned and began. Now it is our turn. It is time to expand Social Security and enact an improved Medicare for All.

This article was produced by the Independent Media Institute.

This excerpt was adapted from Nancy J. Altman, The Truth About Social Security: The Founders’ Words Refute Revisionist History, Zombie Lies, and Common Misunderstandings (Strong Arm Press, Publication Date: August 14, 2018).
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Aug 17, 2018 12:01:40   #
Has any of you been "around the block"? Why are we hearing so much from Trump & friends, even the making of a movie to sway YOU. Guess they are afraid of your vote. There is only one side talking!

I refuse to fall for another "Gulf of Tonkin" (government & media trying to convince us of something that didn't happen)! Too many don't know what I'm talking about referring to "Gulf of Tonkin". I was, but the bigger & better question is: Were YOU there when these 58,000+ U.S. Americans died due to this "Gulf of Tonkin" lie & people died?

They "Trump & supporters" don't know what Mueller has as evidence, YOU & I don't know what is the evidence, so why are they talking so much? Why do I hear that the evidence (which they don't know what they have) is fabricated? I am going to reserve my judgement as we all should regardless of what we hear & see. My father use to say only believe so much of what you read & so much of what you see & in those days there was no "Photo Shop". Wish they would quit sounding so guilty. My guess is the only way he/she may guess what evidence is there is because they know there is some criminal history. One other point though, in their defense, is they actually are being falsely accused. We should pay attention to what would be and wouldn't be disputed in court. An attorney needs a large amount of credibility in court. If they keep Giuliani out of court is a big sign. We should all keep our mind open and mouth shut on developing an opinion.

I greatly dislike "Deceit" being thrown at me. I don't think I could tell the difference between real factual evidence & fabrication (yes, I saw Mr. Smith goes to Washington). I do hold a grudge if someone lies to me. The government & the media still hasn't gotten off the hook with me regarding the "Gulf of Tonkin".

I do like the attached picture. How many of you are the "Groundhog"? I consider myself the Wolf.


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Aug 14, 2018 12:49:17   #
Perjury argument. Listen-up, there is no such thing as a real perjury trap. I'll give you an example strong in my memory. This is not a law court-room, but in-front of an Arbitrator (I did this quite a few times with wins & loses) that uses much the same as a courtroom.

You know a witness is coming, called by the opposing advocate. You get a lot of research from credible areas. You ask the question of the witness while pulling out your credible (NOTE the word credible) research. IF that person tells the truth then all your research is not needed. IF that witness lies then you have all sorts of evidence to present to prove that particular witness has no credibility. BINGO, you get it? Expecting a person to lie then prove them wrong is the perjury trap, otherwise if the person tells the truth then you don't really have a perjury trap. In this instance with Trump you present evidence, credible evidence, that he said/did something else prior to that day, then force him to respond (the Judge will help you ensure the witness responds) asking was that prior conduct a lie? You got him. He either says he is telling the truth now and was lying then or he can say he has learned different since so he wasn't lying at the time. You have to be ready for that answer.

This lawyer stuff people are so confused about. In court don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to (the courtroom is not the place for you to learn about the case). This is why you see all of this "Deposition" stuff prior to the case being presented.
The lawyer is NOT sworn to credibility, honesty. Have you ever noticed that? Only the witness is sworn-in.
No surprises in the courtroom! If there is a surprise regarding evidence then you are a poor lawyer.
You don't win your case in cross-examination. Cross-examination is for ruining the credibility of the witness. Do lawyers have credibility? A good example is Giuliani (a lawyer for Trump). Talking outside a courtroom you can lie like anyone else can say whatever they want. In-court a lawyer had better be credible because if the Judge or jury catches the lawyer not being credible, then everything he/she presents in their case, people don't believe. You won't be hired by anyone, you loose your case not due to evidence but due to YOUR LACK of credibility. The judge will remember and hold such against you forever. A lawyer better be credible in the courtroom. Maybe he/she has no intention of ever being an advocate in any case in a courtroom in the future. I wonder how a Judge/Jury would react to a lawyer caught not being credible?
If you are NOT a lawyer and find yourself presenting a case before a Judge the Judge will help you along BUT you are expected to conduct yourself as-if you graduated from Law-School.
Lawyers have no "Ethics". Yes, there are more jokes about lawyers & the law you find in law-school than anywhere else.
Is the Supreme Court political? Come-on, get real, SCOTUS means Supreme Court of the United States, they are appointed by a political President and approved by a political Senate. Voters hold this SCOTUS appointments strongly political chatting about the political positions of those SCOTUS candidates. YES ALL THOSE ON SCOTUS ARE POLITICAL ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER!

Can we talk about a topic we don't believe in, meaning talking with someone who believes different than you. The inability to converse with someone who holds an opposing position than you do is considered stupid. Words to that effect came from Aristotle B.C. times ancient Greeks.


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Aug 13, 2018 12:13:15   #
Thanks buddy, debeda. Clearing some things up for me.

debeda wrote:
I think ICE is accountable to the DOJ, as they are a police force of sorts, to protect our borders. We can't really do away with ICE unless and until police departments are given the right and responsibilities to patrol our borders. I don't know if that's workable, as there are many border towns that are tiny with correspondingly tiny (1 -3) man police forces.
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Aug 12, 2018 16:29:32   #
Thanks so much debeda! You seem to be a man that has so much to offer in Ethics that so many need to hear, certainly listen to regardless of what he/she may think they know. Yes a pretty shocking fact, I agree. I do admire Gen. Smedley Butler I have that book War is a Racket.

I have the best wife in the world. I did get out of the Marines after those days of April 29th & 30th, 75. I did stay in a few years. I got out as a Sgt. laugh that the highest rank was a Gunny Sgt. I really didn't like officers, well one I disliked a lot.

I'll give you a hint. I was sent on Missions was given a Spotter to help. Most died I hate to say. One they sent with me was suppose to be a Corporal. I found out he wasn't, was actually a Major who was sent under-cover I guess to learn. He wrote a book. Another hint, I'm from Arizona, still in Arizona.

Military, so many heros. So many who would have added so much to lives of people who never got the chance.

All the movies they made, some close to the way it was in Nam, parts here and there. There is this Burt Lancaster in Go Tell The Spartans movie. Burt Lancaster was also in a fairly good movie named Twilight's Last Gleaming. Yes, these limited and unlimited wars are terrible, horrendous and people simply can't grasp what it's like living in a war zone. I see some of them and just keep my mouth shut thinking there has to be people like that in the world, otherwise we would have nothing to talk about, lol.

My wife saved me from a PTSD that nobody could have lived in. These people making money from the blood of others are actually running the show in the U.S. and people really don't know. I think they know there is manipulation of the masses going on, but still can't figure it out.

Those of us on what is called the "Right" are accused of being a bit on the stupid side. Think about it a moment. We love a Democracy where, in our case, is a Representative Government. We put people into jobs (elections) who are suppose to act in our behalf and it is an easy leap that these Representatives are suppose to reflect our "Ethics", but they don't. This I.C.E. is a good example. ICE has one boss, the President. Our Legislative Branch is not part of them at all, even oversight. That is why ICE should go, at least make some law to legalize ICE. Our Representatives are accountable to us and therefore should be allowed everywhere, but they aren't due to their structure. All the right should be agreeing ICE is also accountable through our Representative Government, not some Dictatorship where the palace guards are accountable to a single individual NOT part of a Representative Government. People just don't think, otherwise we would NOT be in these several generations war upon war.

Thanks for the Sunday chats. I love them. Made for a good day. We can only hope other people actually read this and think if they are capable.
I do claim when it comes to writing, you win, you're the better man, that's quite a book you wrote. Good book yes. I keep too much to myself as my wife says.

buffalo wrote:
I think it was super dave that chastised me for constantly posting about the US' continual, illegal, unConstitutional, immoral warmongering mostly for the protection and benefit of some giant corporations to continue to plunder another sovereign nations resources for their profits. Of course, they LIE to the US sheople that it is to spread democracy, fight terrorism or some other bullshit.

Viet Nam accomplished nothing but to get 58,000 patriotic young men killed and many more wounded and mangled. The war in Iraq in 15 years has accomplished nothing except getting nearly 5,000 soldiers kill, many thousands more wounded and making a whole slew of private corporations billions all to preserve the hegemony of the petrodollar.

!7 years in Afghanistan has done the same only worse and there is NO END in site.

Look at the mess the US created in Libya all to preserve the petrodollar by letting terrorist murder Gadahfi becuse he was woking to unite the oil producing countries of Africa into trading oil only for the gold backed dinar and because he was selling oil to Russia and China.

As General Smedley Butler said in his 1935 book by the same title that War is a Racket. He was dead on.
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Aug 12, 2018 12:27:40   #
debeda wrote:
What is considered acceptable conduct has gone so far into left field it's hard to fathom us ever getting a humane and wholesome code of standards.


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Aug 12, 2018 12:26:44   #
Morgan wrote:
You had a good post until your last line. It's too bad your point of view ended up so slanted, it's like looking at the world with just one eye. College professors are not the problem, but it is people who make false accusations or intentionally misinform the public, which does include the president. These are the things as crippled say we should not accept, and people who do these acts should be called out on and be accountable by a form of punishment. There should be a place for news and facts and a place for opinionated editorials and a clear distinction between the two, these muddied grey lines need to end.

Who is this new forming cult that continually disparages our government, our governing system, our education system and our homeland security? They are an enemy.
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Aug 12, 2018 12:24:45   #
Thanks Old Sailor, I don't support Trump any more. I did vote for the man & did things to encourage others to support him. I did some research and discovered he lied to us all. Obama lied to us all. Clinton lied to us all. Bush lied to us all. I'm now an Independent. I was yelling at Clinton & he lied to us all about his sexual experiences. People said then what unethical people are saying now, they didn't vote for a man due to his sexual acts. I prefer to use the word "Ethics" rather than "Morals" because sometimes, even with my friends, we get off topic discussing "Morals" instead of the issue that began the discussion. Now I support no-one.

Here I am on my death-bed quite concerned over who will be the "Ethical" voice? So as typical Marines go, I refuse to give-up & die until that one issue of "Ethics" is solved in my mind, (we all know I'm talking #1 is Deceit).

I hate it looking with hindsight yes the Dems. initially lied to us and the Repbs. held that "Police Action" close to their chest for decades. McCain is a war hero in my eyes, he didn't have the input to send us to Nam, so what he was involved in during Nam is on him (hero in this case). I really didn't know that as a Candidate Trump was on a radio show claiming his sexual experiences left him vulnerable for sexually transmitted diseases (his worry) and such equates him to the bravery & courage of those of us who have been in a combat situation. We were already involved in Nam via the U.N. It seriously breaks my heart even today those I saw, those I held as they bled-out. To me such were life-changing events. Others really don't fully understand. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria well I, now today, don't believe a word from the govt. I wouldn't put anything past them.

What political party a person tags on themselves is of no difference to me. If someone supports anyone who is outside their personal ethics is not a person to me, not human. I'll leave this life soon enough, I'm sure too soon. I'm not proud of so much I've done in my life. Wish I had another shot at it.

Oldsailor65 wrote:
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Who are you supporting right now?

I support President Trump because he is so much better than the alternative and he has accomplished much more than the past 3 Presidents all combined.

As far as being lied to--no one has lied to the American people more than either Obama or the Clintons-- or LBJ " The Democrats. President Trump is not a perfect person but I did not vote for him to be a Boy Scout leader. I voted for him to be President of this great country. Look at who lied to us about the Gulf of Tonkin.
LBJ a F-ing Democrat

I was in Vietnam 3 times between 1965 and 1969. Now when I look back I realize that we should not have gone to war in Vietnam. French Indochina had been under French rule since 1887. It was a Colony of France just like what later became the USA had been a Colony of Great Briton. The people in that part of the world just wanted their freedom and we should have helped them but we didn't because France was an Allie of the United States. Ho Chi Mein asked us for help and we turned him down so then he turned to the Communist for help.

I don't believe we should be fighting in Afghanistan or Syria or Iraq. We should not allow Muslims to immigrate to this country. They should be forced to remain in their own Muslim countries killing each other. Too late now though, Lieing-Muslim Obama has infected this country with Islam just like a disease.
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Aug 10, 2018 13:55:13   #
Dear Believers of the Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin,
The lies that our Navy ships in that Gulf being fired upon, U.S. men killed. The government, military, said so, all the media at the time repeated it & the mood of the country changed. We wanted nothing to do with another Korea (Police Action) a decade earlier but now the Gulf of Tonkin, we all want to go to war. We did, it was another deceit from our government. Enter the Vietnam Police Action, still such today. A lie told by our government, encouraged and repeated many times by the media and young fools like me who seemed we couldn't wait to "get even" with those who killed our servicemen. A LIE! The Gulf of Tonkin NEVER HAPPENED! All those deaths, all those lives ruined, all those who went out of their way to NOT go to Vietnam, Trump you're one of them.

I have this "acceptable conduct" thing. "Ethics", just the first few topics & I think #1 is "no deceit"! We encourage deceit, it is "acceptable conduct" to us and actually expect such from our politicians. Lie first because people believe lies. Me? Lie to me once is all you need & you lost me. I believe it is our U.S. society that find "Deceit" as "acceptable conduct" and will vote, aid, and encourage/reward a liar. Where is the problem? I think the problem is with those willing to accept the lie. Am I one of those "Conspiracy Theory" guys? I don't think so, but look that our government & media were so willing to "KILL" over 58,000+ of good men, good people, I knew personally, what else would they do? Would they do a 9/11 to make money like they did for Vietnam? I think so. There is no limit and there is no contract, no level of disgust a person may have against those with blood on their hands in exchange for profit. Money, used to lie to people. Money used for people to believe the lies, encourage the lies, reward the lies.

I'm not long for this world and this old Marine refuses to go until I find someone to take over for me when I'm gone on the issue of "Ethics" attaching "Deceit" at every opportunity. 100 years from now, would it matter? YES! I'll bet people will look back saying people back then were stupid, just not as smart as we are today to be racists, Nazi's, skin-heads, Bigots who actually elected a Bigot into a high political office as President. They sure did like being lied-to then (in those days). Is that you? Is that who you are? A Racist Bigot? Are you so dumb as to believe all the lies? Who are you supporting right now?

I know people don't like to take the blame for anything, even when it's obvious, another thing future people will look upon as stupid, such a lack of smarts.
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Aug 10, 2018 13:30:58   #
Thank you for what you wrote debeda. I think the biggest problem we all have is a lack of "Ethics" mostly concentrating on "Deceit". I'm greatly concerned who will "carry the ball" on "Ethics" when I'm gone. I feel like shaking people to wake them up that "Deceit" has nothing to do with what side of politics you happen to be on, it has everything to do with what you find as "acceptable conduct" you are willing to accept from those you meet, including who you support. I've been told that's why so many people stay away from the polls on election day, the exact opposite of what you should be doing. VOTE, vote against those who deceive. Be public & proud about it, deceit is unacceptable conduct, period! I know of no-one who is willing to continue. I refuse to die until I accomplish this one area of finding someone! Take it from an old Marine who will win this fight!

debeda wrote:
GREAT posts Carol and Cripple. And the Looney tunes don't like nationalism. Hmmmm. To me nationalism is taking care of your own FIRST. Don't feel you have to be the world's arbiter or police force. Deal with other countries to trade or to share mutually beneficial info, etc. Support your countrymen in getting education and opportunities so the best and brightest can maintain cutting edge medical and tech advances. Reinstitute education standards. STOP college professors, the MSM and entertainers from preaching America hate and romanticizing moral decay and perversions.
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Jul 30, 2018 17:45:41   #
Thanks Carol, At least I just learned emojis

Carol Kelly wrote:
I’m afraid! Not afraid of dying but of what I’m leaving behind for future generations of conservatives to deal with. We’ve all known about war if we had anybody family or friend go away and not return or at least not the way they left us. We also know that most of these “clashes” could have been avoided but for the ignorance of our leaders. Most of us haven’t been through what you’ve been through, but we understand and have empathy.
For whatever it’s worth, I read what you wrote and I won’t say I felt your pain but I did understand.
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Jul 30, 2018 16:54:27   #
Amazing! The "Grim Reaper"€ didn't get me! I may have 1 foot in the grave but still here.
What a wise lady! Did you know the VA has WiFi and it's free? Not me & the fine lady here showed me how to get onto the internet. A bit slow but who cares, it's free. I'm sure they need WiFi for their medical stuff, but I can piggy-back on WiFi is fine with me.

Yes, fear! (The wise lady here made me think) I have a fear that people will believe another "Gulf of Tonkin"€ where so many of us died. One of my roommates survived Korea, another "Police Action"€ play on words lie by our government and acceptable by our society. All that death and not even a second thought. I guess the "I'm not afraid of anything!"€ is wrong. I'm afraid of people believing a lie and we don't find out it's a lie until decades later, and it seems nobody cares. I think that guy got fired from Fox who interviewed that Jessie guy; he got upset & stormed away with no care of all those who died in Nam. So many who don't know what the "Gulf of Tonkin incidents"€ mean. Just a number, 58,000+, died, a much larger number disabled. Nobody cares, guess that's what scares me. People who want to worry about anything other than the truth, refuse to believe the truth. Who would have thought a "fact" is only a "fact" IF it falls within my belief system. What is a fact? We really don't know what lie will get us into another high death-toll. We follow blind.
Not Me, never again!

I'll be gone from this world soon enough but still want to "Make a Difference"€. How do I get someone to "Open Their Eyes"€? I was a blind follower, voted for a liar, and lies in politics are "acceptable conduct"€. The problem isn't the liars, really. It's the millions of us who believe the lies. Our media that we rely upon to find the truth and now our news has turned into "entertainment". None of all this would happen in politics or media if WE did not support them, encourage them, reward them. I will throw my vote to the farthest extreme rather than vote for a liar!
Who is going to "carry the ball"€ when I'm gone? Is there anyone out there who will be strong enough to tell some politician, or anyone for that matter,
NO I will not support a liar any more!

He/she is correct! "All politicians lie"€! Find a politician who does not lie and you'll waste your life. Is it a waste of life to force our politicians to be honest? It couldn't be!

At the time, late 1700's, the thought of people being in-charge of their own government was a thought process of only those people "way out there"€. A Constitution actually voted upon by citizens? Unheard of! The people, so brave, who developed our Constitution, all 100% of them were proud liberals! It's true! I guess I would have been a liberal at that time. We now yell and scream about Socialism. Honestly, there has been some piece of good in all the forms of government in our history, yes even communism just a little piece. We want to take the best of everything and incorporate such into our government. Don't we do the same with all our experiences through our life? People we meet, all our experiences incorporated into our personality?

Laying here barely dressed and can't get that old song out of my head, first heard it overseas, Barbara Fairchild singing "Teddy Bear"€.


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Jul 30, 2018 16:30:34   #
Sorry it took me a bit to respond. Just posted something on Fear, certainly applies to me right now.
This wise nurse lady here even edited the post.
See what I can do!

emarine wrote:
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Jul 27, 2018 18:55:24   #
You're right! I am a better man than Trump!

Mikeyavelli wrote:
The very definition of 'I Am Much Holier Than Trump' virtue signaling.
Trump shouldn't give a mueller about my sexcapades why would anyone care about Trump's?
Jealous maybe?
Being President of the United States doesn't have anything to do with sex.
Wanna get into Obama's sex life in the Whitehouse? How about Obama's sex life in the Bathhouse?
And bullmueller, you never voted for Trump. The BillyBush tape would have disgusted you enough to vote for hilliar, which you were going to do anyway.
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Jul 27, 2018 18:50:53   #
I admit, have never met Trump. Never met Mueller. I still don't know anyone who can prove to me what is fabricated evidence & what is not. Will have to wait & see.

Crayons wrote:
Those who have met Trumpy told me nice things about the man.

Now Giuliani? I've seen some very strange photo's...I'm more concerned about mueller,
and the global lucy corporate duopoly and their subtle death threats.
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