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Jan 15, 2017 10:27:25   #
Morgan wrote:
I agree, she didn't consider all of her options, or maybe she did but she chose wrong. Whenever taking the life of another.

Though I know in traditional religion our souls are forever damned to hell, and I realize you don't believe as I, but I believe in forgiveness and our souls are not damned forever, but instead retribution( which may be a life of hardships and humility) in order to learn and realize where we went wrong and to reaffirm our connection with "God" which had gotten lost.

We can see this also in the struggle of some soldiers, or the life on the other extreme the belief of a Mormon or Quaker who refuse to fight no matter what.
I agree, she didn't consider all of her options, o... (show quote)

I think she did find redemption.

At her execution she was accompanied and taken in a carriage by her confidant and personal minister but refused to give an official written confession saying she would make no confession to any man but only with God.

To the best of my references she however supposedly in her petition to the court to spare the child's life did state responsibility, in writing for the crime without confession.

If her decision to not make a confession was based on pride alone then that might come with the ultimate consequence of judgment. But I earnestly pray that that was not her actual intent.

I have contacted the source for a copy of that petition that Bathsheba allegedly made but have as yet to hear back from her. So in that chapter I had to issue only a general not specific statement regarding that petition.

As you can see I attempt to be as through as possible in my research.
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Jan 15, 2017 10:03:50   #
Morgan wrote:
Dave I'm not only up to it, but would love to. The story sounds fascinating, you've aroused not only my interest but also my curiosity.

So please send me a copy by email or paper, I know you have no reason to trust me, but believe me you can as far as your intellectual integrity being stolen, or anything else for that matter, Honesty is the foundation of any relationship.



I do trust you and sometime today on the private option available or server give you my name which you already have figured out here, lol, but also give full disclosure to my email addresses and mobile cell phone.

We will then proceed with the exchange of information and references once you reply back.

I consider it an honour and privilege to be working with you

Best regards,

Dave Goodspeed
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Jan 15, 2017 09:30:21   #
Morgan wrote:
Do you find it amazing that we go through history and hardly anything changes. Especially when it comes to relationships. I was surprised to read Ross was only a 16-17 year old boy, she 32, being born is 1746, my-my, see what I mean. I also read that he was believed(known) to be an abusive husband. Considering divorce was not considered and the abusive living condition I guess we can understand her uncompassionate reasoning.

Brooks showing off the mans silver shoe buckles, was not a very bright move Reminds me of the show Crimes gone wrong or something like that, ah yes it's all in the details...

But as far as them hanging her in such a rush, and not to wait and be absolutely sure o be able to spare the child, is sad and a sin on them in my mind. Isn't also amazing, how people will dispose of others for their own gain, especially in politics. What should be a noble cause, always, through the ages, turns into a septic tank of the corrupted.

It sounds like it has the makings of a compelling story, politics, sex, murder and intrigue, what could be better!


What would be your ending or the moral to the story?
Do you find it amazing that we go through history ... (show quote)


Simply the moral is

One must always weigh what the consequences will be for each and every moral choice or decision they make.

This one thing at any point from making the choice to have sex with her patient to the final choice to murder had Bathsheba considered at each decision triangle would have given her pause to consider other and safer alternatives that would have put her out of danger.

she could have saved her own life at any step along the path she actually choose.

A lesson for all of us and for her a very personal tragic and sad outcome where she lost everything, her friends, her father, her family her life and eventually her own heart and soul.
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Jan 15, 2017 00:39:35   #
Morgan wrote:
Well that is a good question...another one, whose perspective will you use? Maybe one of the servants? The secrete observer.


I write it from the Commons man's perspective and the servants when it comes to the Antebellum section of the novel.

Yo see Elijah Goodspeed who started life at five as an indentured servant was treated so cruelty that he ran away or just as a black was rescued from his master. His father of a large family died unexpectedly at sea.

His mother Thankful Goodspeed who's own father died in the wasting rotting hull of a prisoner of warship during the Revolution already knew grief and suffering now with the death of her husband now found herself with no income and no choice but to bond her family out.

Elijah was her youngest child to go last at age five.

After he escaped he dodged the escape warrants and found refuge as a cabin boy but worked his way up to become master of his own ship.

Because of his background and desire and empathy he was selected to become both a station keeper and a conductor in the underground railroad movement. Goodspeed's Landing in Connecticut built steamboat used in that enterprise and during the Civil War itself occasionally built Union steam warships.

The story starts with the tragic death of one of his young direct cousins at only fifteen years old July 7, 1777 and ends with his own death after the Civil War in 1867 after losing his wife only a couple of years earlier from the stress and lonely life she lived supporting their station in Athens Ohio after leaving Barnstaple Massachusetts.

The risks especially a while conductor took going south on rescue missions was as bad if not worse as for blacks involving life sentences if they were lucky. One scene is I graficly and accurately portrayed of what happened to one of their own kidnapped members as well as the savage beatings and whippings blacks both in the North and South.

Like I said truthful and with no punches pulled based on William Stills and other s accounts and eyewitness reports. And the miracle of that evil system being overcome at great sacrifice.

It wasn't just the South the attitude and support of the friends of slavery was ubiquitous for a time with no end in sight.

But the happy ending is that it ended although the scars of that tragic American nightmare are still to be remember now least history repeat itself all over.
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Jan 14, 2017 23:27:34   #
Morgan wrote:
Do you find it amazing that we go through history and hardly anything changes. Especially when it comes to relationships. I was surprised to read Ross was only a 16-17 year old boy, she 32, being born is 1746, my-my, see what I mean. I also read that he was believed(known) to be an abusive husband. Considering divorce was not considered and the abusive living condition I guess we can understand her uncompassionate reasoning.

Brooks showing off the mans silver shoe buckles, was not a very bright move Reminds me of the show Crimes gone wrong or something like that, ah yes it's all in the details...

But as far as them hanging her in such a rush, and not to wait and be absolutely sure o be able to spare the child, is sad and a sin on them in my mind. Isn't also amazing, how people will dispose of others for their own gain, especially in politics. What should be a noble cause, always, through the ages, turns into a septic tank of the corrupted.

It sounds like it has the makings of a compelling story, politics, sex, murder and intrigue, what could be better!


What would be your ending or the moral to the story?
Do you find it amazing that we go through history ... (show quote)


I think you've got it and I'm not surprised that you did.

In this book I wrote entitled "Song of Freedom" subtitled "Psalm of Liberty" history does repeat itself and although I hold nothing back regarding the good the bad and the ugly about the Revolution and slavery it does overall lift up this country only by glorifying God in the process.

I would not so much care if you're up to editing although I humbly need all the help I could get.

But would like to see if you like it or think it sux as you sit back and review it

If you're up to it I'll see about sending you a copy.

With my complements,

Dave
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Jan 14, 2017 21:34:18   #
Morgan wrote:
With that said, what is your life's goal and your soul's purpose?


I anticipate your next question how ralated these Ruggles Torrie's to the patriotic Goodspeed's?

Yes all the Goodspeeds that fought and or died in the Revolution all fought against the British (About 30 of us) one such patriotic warrior relative, Shear Goodspeed married Elizabeth Ruggles, a colonist sympathizer and cousin to famous powerful Tory politician statesman Timothy Ruggles (also in Wickapedia) who's favorite daughter was the I'll fated Bathsheba Ruggles Spooner who married Joshua Spooner patriotic farmer whom unfortunately she dispatched in a most brutal beating then had her unfortunate hubby stuffed down a well.

Yuck!
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Jan 14, 2017 20:19:43   #
Morgan wrote:
No Dave, silly me I thought you were just joking again, but ... l would love to proof read it, maybe some helpful suggestions? I did win some writing awards back in the day, does that count? I will look her up tonight and get back to you, OK.

So this was a relative of yours? I'm surprised back than they didn't allow her to give birth first. I suppose they felt the baby was sinned also, or from a bad seed as they say.
No Dave, silly me I thought you were just joking a... (show quote)


To make a long story short in my research I had that same question why they didn't wait till after the delivery. Batheba even wrote a petition herself taking the blaim for her crime but asking for the child to be spared.

But :

A) The examining midwives testified that she was not that quick with child to postpone execution even though for her petition she was reexamined. But:

B) I found the real reason it wasn't postponed and it was more for political / propaganda reasons that the British struck a Deal for an execution under American rather British authority because...
C) British General gentlemen John Burgoyne blew it during a raid where some of his Indian allies scalped a well known Torry woman, but somehow the Sons of Liberty were able to turn it around and make it look like the Torry victim was really a patriot woman.

So I figured out that poor Torry Batheba became the scape goat and especially because she was pregnant the Patriots would take the blaim for the execution of a still pregnant woman to help compensate for gentleman John's PR blunder.

To lose the battle in order to keep public support but win the war. But as history would show didn't work and evil Batheba became the forgotten woman.
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Jan 14, 2017 18:54:40   #
It's a historic novel that's gp13 except for a Torry cousin who was very naughty and had no choice but to tell it like it was but I kept it as clean as I could. She had the dubious honor of being hung five months pregnant by a different man for conspiracy to murder her husband with aid of some British deserters. But I clean it up with a virtuous critique.

You can google her name and find out more in Wikipedia. She made it hard for some of us Goodspeed's who went MIA in the war and were wrongly recorded as deserters in the Revolution when they clearly weren't. Bad reputations do damage to a good families reputation.

The woman's name was Bathsheba Ruggles...Check it out. She has the dubious honor of being one of the first women executed by American rather than British authorities.

But yes editor, the jobs yours and I already feel sorry for you once you see all my run-on and fragmented sentences. I might be a great historic research detective but I'm a crappy writer. Lol

Have you done editing before?
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Jan 14, 2017 17:48:13   #
Morgan wrote:
With that said, what is your life's goal and your soul's purpose?


To write a book about my ancestors involvement in the American Revolution and Underground railroad movement.

I've written it now I'm looking for someone to edit it while I'm already starting to write another book on metaphysics about the signature In DNA and the Bible.

Piece of cake. Right?
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Jan 14, 2017 17:30:52   #
Morgan wrote:
OK I'll keep that in the vault, just remember who has that key... guess you'll have to just trust me
OK I'll keep that in the vault, just remember who ... (show quote)


Sounds like blackmail to me...LOL😁😁😁😁😁😇😇😇😇😈😈😈😈
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Jan 14, 2017 17:15:27   #
Morgan wrote:
How else is someone to take ..."let's all take a break" ? LOL Well if we were your children, you'd be an elder for sure.

If you're talking about you sharing that link, thank you that was really nice, and very true indeed. An ironic coincidence, one just recently told me by my son who met a stranger who approached him and gave him inspirational guidance. But thank you for that.

That woman you are haunted by, maybe you are connected to her by more than just this physical life.
How else is someone to take ..."let's all tak... (show quote)



That's one of the reasons I believe there may be sex in heaven but please don't tell her I said that!!!

Nuk nuk nuk!
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Jan 14, 2017 16:42:20   #
Morgan wrote:
No offense but if you feel like taking a break, than by all means go ahead, but to tell the rest of us do so is quiet presumptuous, we are not your children.


Sorry you took it that way. Just wanted to share something different. You misunderstood.

But yes I'm taking a break.

The woman's on my case to finish some chores. Lol.

Your better not be my children or she's going to have a bigger problem with me.

I'm always haunted by that woman out of my dark secret past!

JUST JOKING!
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Jan 14, 2017 09:59:24   #
Morgan wrote:
I assume this was meant for Sue?
With that said there isn't any interruption here, we're not here to talk to ourselves, though many do like to just hear themselves talk. Meaning...go right ahead, we're all hear to listen, learn and leave what we don't align ourselves with.

You lost me a little ways back Dave so to give you clarification on something I don't know what your talking about would be impossible. I'm not aware of what the reference was as far as Eve speaking of touch, you would have to tell me what the meaning of that intention was. I'd really like to know, if it's not to much trouble.
I assume this was meant for Sue? br With that said... (show quote)


Yes I was talking to Sue.

And yes time permitting I will get back with you on the Adam thing but right now I think we all need to take a break.

To all,

Take a break and listen to the video I sent out this morning; for blessed are the peacemakers...

Love

David
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Jan 14, 2017 08:16:53   #
https://youtu.be/ZxkDqMVK7I8

For all of us

It's take a break time especially from all we disagree with

With love and God bless

Dave
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Jan 13, 2017 21:50:29   #
Morgan wrote:
You're mess'n with me now, no need, I've learned to be self supportive


You cool bean but I'm afraid this time around both Morgan and I are probably scratching our heads...But sounds like you're on a roll so I won't interup!
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