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Sep 7, 2016 16:00:19   #
Kevyn wrote:
Clinton is pure as the wind driven snow when compared to Trump, she was cleared of everything but carelessness by the FBI over the mountain of a molehill email scandal. Trump has been crooked, dirty and mobbed up for decades with close ties to both Italian and Russian organized crime. Dispute with fact one thing in the article describing his scumbaggery.


By your own admission HRC was found by the FBI to have been careless with classified information. That is enough of a reason to have security clearance denied. So what you must be OK with is having a president who does not qualify for security clearance. Sure would make it hard to make responsible decisions concerning running our country without that level of clearance. But silly me, expecting she can make a responsible decision, clearance or not.
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Sep 6, 2016 19:42:36   #
oldroy wrote:
But the Dems kept talking about GWB dodging the draft by going into the National Guard. Wasn't all this about the same time?


Yes, both WJC and GWB avoided the draft at about the same time. GWB went into the National Guard. The national guard is a branch of the military. WJC used the college defermit, a loophole put in place by congress to keep their children out of the draft without serving the country.
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Sep 6, 2016 12:21:03   #
Kevyn wrote:
Donald Trump is the most corrupt candidate for president in our nations history. He makes Nixon and Agnew look like choirboys. This article outlines just some of the scumbaggery he has had his filthy little hands in. And all the MSM seems to care about are how Clinton sends emails. It's time for the press to take a hard look at Trump and let the American people know his true colors. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/05/trumps-history-of-corruption-is-mind-boggling-so-why-is-clinton-supposedly-the-corrupt-one/?utm_term=.d80251ae3029&wpisrc=nl_az_most
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News flash! The MSM continues to talk about HRC's email because it's a real issue. Not only was it careless and a breach of national security but her deleting evidence is obstruction of justice. I could go on but its doubtful you will ever choose to recognize the serious nature of this incident. As you point out this story has been covered in the MSM. Some have devoted serious time to this story, some have just mentioned it, but all have covered it. The bottom line here is you, and people like you, do not see the serious nature of what happened here. Your only argument is DJT is worse, more corrupt, whatever. How about looking at a duck and seeing a duck? Go ahead and say what you will about DJT, it does not change the truth about HRC. She would not qualify for a security clearance as an administrative assistant, yet you would have her become president.
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Sep 6, 2016 09:16:33   #
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
DOYLE McMANUS
DONALD TRUMP’S revival last week of his hard-line stance on immigration looks more and more like a political disaster for the Republican nominee and his party.
Trump’s angry speech in Arizona, in which he promised to deport not only criminal aliens but millions of other immigrants living in the country illegally, prompted at least three members of his Hispanic Advisory Council to resign. It instantly became fodder for Democratic efforts to mobilize millions of Latino voters in swing states such as Florida and Nevada. And it probably didn’t convince many undecided voters that Trump can be a unifying force in a deeply divided country.
But winning undecided moderates may not have been Trump’s goal. Instead, his former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, said on CNN that the speech was aimed principally at “white males,” to ensure “he has locked them in.”
To non-Trump Republicans, that’s precisely the problem: Their nominee is focused on voters he’s already got.
“Preaching to the converted is fine if you’re leading,” GOP pollster Whit Ayres told me. “If you’re behind, it’s not what you need to be doing.”
Ayres, who worked for Florida Sen. Marco Rubio in the primaries, has never been a Trump fan, but he has spent years studying the demographics of the electorate — and he’s convinced that the nominee is leading his party to calamity.
“After alienating so many nonwhite voters, Trump needs to win 65% of the white vote,” Ayres estimates. “Only one candidate has done that in the last 50 years, and that was Ronald Reagan in a 49-state landslide in 1984. It’s not going to happen.”
And the stakes are even bigger than the outcome of this year’s election. Trump’s campaign could shape Latino voters’ behavior for a generation to come.
Already, Latinos have been trending Democratic. In 2004, then-President George W. Bush won roughly 40% of the Latino vote; in 2012, Mitt Romney won about 27%.
This year, according to a poll released last week, Trump is on track to win no more than 20% of their votes, a modern low.
Over the long run, Ayres and other GOP strategists worry, Latinos’ Democratic allegiance could become a habit that’s hard to break.
“We’re in a hole,” Ayres said. “We can dig our way out of it if we make the Republican brand distinct from the Trump brand. But at this point, Trump is making the hole even deeper.”
Wait a minute, some may object: Trump hasn’t been demonizing Latinos in general; he’s praised Mexican Americans as “great people.” And Trump hasn’t attacked immigrants in general; he’s focused on criminal aliens, who he says have been allowed “to freely roam our streets [and] do whatever they want to do.”
But in his speech last week, Trump said he would subject immigrants who are in the country illegally but haven’t been accused of crimes to deportation, too. He called for new restrictions on legal immigration, which he said is too high. And he argued that the quality of recent legal immigrants, often admitted thanks to family ties, has been too low. “We take anybody,” he complained.
Trump supporters who say he makes a clear distinction between immigrants here legally and those in the U.S. illegally haven’t been paying close enough attention.
And guess what? The sponsors of those “family reunification” immigrants — often their parents or siblings — are citizens who have the right to vote. They’re not only Latinos; they’re Asian, African and European. Trump’s complaint that their relatives aren’t classy enough isn’t likely to make him many friends.
There’s a legitimate debate, of course, about whether legal immigration has leaned too far in the direction of family reunification at the expense of places for highly skilled professionals. And there’s a legitimate debate about how best to handle the more than 10 million immigrants who are here illegally and haven’t committed serious crimes.
But Trump’s problem — and the Republicans’ — isn’t policy, it’s that he frames immigration as a crisis that has unleashed millions of nonwhite foreigners to roam our streets, commit grisly crimes and steal Americans’ jobs. That portrayal is inaccurate, and it exacerbates racism.
Several times in recent months, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) has worried out loud about the growth of “identity politics” in his own party — meaning political allegiances defined by race or ethnicity.
“If we try to play our own version of identity politics and try to fuel ourselves based on darker emotions, that’s not productive,” he told the New York Times. “I don’t think it will be successful, and I don’t think it is the right thing to do.”
“Unfortunately, these days, it’s bubbling up on the right,” he told reporters at the Republican National Convention..
Whether Trump wins or loses, Ryan and the rest of his party have their work cut out for them. doyle.mcmanus@latimes.com   Twitter: @DoyleMcManus
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The real problem is the Republican party needs to wake up. they have been a political party not in touch with the wishes of their constituency for far too long. Party elites do not want that change. DJT is raising the hopes of conservatives that the party might just change. This is supported by the looking into the nature of the donations to the party thanks to him. If DJT looses in November the party will likely go back to business as usual. If he wins this will begin the transformation that true conservatives have long desiered. True conservatives have a lot riding on this election in terms of how it will impact the nation as well as how it will impact their party.
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Sep 4, 2016 09:58:44   #
Bad Bob wrote:
What state do all those stupid people live in? Texass?


Bad Boob,
If they are stupid to live in a clean and beautiful city (in Texas or wherever), then would they be smart to live in a dirty ugly city?

Or are you focusing on the conservative, Christian, personal responsibility aspect? Considering the big picture here, looks like YOUR values are suspect.
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Sep 4, 2016 09:33:22   #
lpnmajor wrote:
Here's a list of what we have to lose:

Our self respect, our credibility, our sanity, our credit rating, our allies, our......................................


More likely to loose those things with HRC at the helm. "I don't recall", "Does it really matter?", "I couldn't tell if they were classified" all point to the same conclusion. She is either unable or unwilling to be accountable. For all her supposed intelligence she sure seems to have peoblems understanding what's going on around her.
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Sep 3, 2016 10:56:27   #
Super Dave wrote:
So in our society, if a woman is standing in line for her abortion, and her jealous ex-boyfriend stabs her, killing the unborn child but not the mother, the ex-boyfriend would be charged with murder.

I'm sure he'd have plenty of time to think of the irony.


Funny. No doubt we have established the courts consider an unborn fetus to be a life. At the same time abortion is legal, because it's a woman's choice to do with her body what she wants. But what if she wants to kill herself? Jack Kevorkian found out that didn't work out so well.
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Sep 3, 2016 10:47:25   #
Kevyn wrote:
The Clinton global initiative founded by the Clintons has provided educational and business opportunities for girls and women in over 100 nations, provided housing, health care and start up funds for thousands in Haiti and this is just scratching the surface. Yes she has a storied career of service to people around the world that few can match in generosity or effect. Sadly right wing hate radio and TV hosts have slandered this incredibly successful organization. The choice voters face is simple elect a brilliant woman who has dedicated her life to serving our country and disadvantaged people around the world or piss your vote away on a boorish egomaniacal carnival barker and con man with a sordid history of shady dealings self aggrandizement and sociopathic tendenancies. It is a damn good thing for our nation and world that a majority of voters share my values not yours or Donald Trumps.
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You may be right, a good many people in this country share your views. As that number increases, the country progressively goes into the toilet, morally and financially. Down that slippery slope into socialism. How proud you must be.
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Sep 3, 2016 10:40:08   #
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Or instead of looking at a bunch of has been actors and nobodys, take a look at the class A stars that support Hillary!

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/06/21/celebrities-vote-2016-stars-that-support-hillary-clinton/21399476/#slide=3929721#fullscreen

Dicaprio, Tom Hanks, Steve Harvey, George Clooney, Matthew Broderick, Sarah Jessica Parker, Jennifer Lopez and a long list of more huuuuuuuuuuuge celebrities!



Hollywood liberals in support of HRC is not news, it's kind of expected. No need for a list of them. They represent no change in the status quo.
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Sep 3, 2016 10:29:10   #
Kevyn wrote:
If you believe all of the stuff floating around now there is a reasonable possibility that Trumps trophy bride is actually a high priced escort who obtained a visa to immigrate under questionable terms. With Trumps long friendship with Hillary Clinton and the suggestions she granted favors in exchange for contributions to the Clinton foundation there is a reasonable possibility that Trump paid Clinton to grease the skids for him to bring his favorite call girl into the country. What if this comes out in the wash and the nation finds out they are in cahoots and shoveling sand over each others crap?
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Is there no end to how low the left will stoop? When reasoning and truth fail, they resort to the politics of personal distruction. Since the convention Meleina has really taken a backseat in this election cycle. Attacking her is despicable.
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Sep 3, 2016 10:16:44   #
PaulPisces wrote:
As promised, I have started this thread to be an appropriate place to take the abortion discussion that was started in the post 'Obama Signs Executive Order Abolishing the Death Penalty"

Righty posted this comment in that thread, and my reply is below.





First off I want to say (as I have said many times before on this forum) that I, as a man (and a gay one at that) my voice carries less weight than a woman's in the decision to terminate a pregnancy. I am not inclined to tell other people what to do when their legal action does not impact me. So my opinions are just that, and based on my view of how a just society works. From everything I have read the decision to terminate a pregnancy is an extremely difficult one for a woman to make, so I believe the cavalier attitude that many seem to think women have about aborting their fetus is rare. Demonizing people, and women in particular, for supporting choice is misplaced anger and not productive to the anti-abortionist's cause.

- I think the idea that the 1 microscopic sperm that the man contributed is a weak justification for a fetus being part of his body.
- The comparison with a crack-addicted baby and its mother is a false one. The mother is arrested because she has broken the law in using a controlled substance, and the baby is taken into protective custody because she is unable to care for it.
- The part about your comment regarding babies and voting only bothered me because you assigned a blanket justification to all on the socialist left. You are of course free to believe your statement, but you are not equipped to speak for an entire group of people.


The critical question for all is at what point does a fetus become a human.

Conservative Catholics have such a narrow view that birth control of any kind is not permitted. Every sex act of M/F copulation has the potential to create life, so to restrict that possibility is a violation of a human life.

On the other end there are some (though I think few) who believe an abortion should be allowed for any reason at any time up until childbirth.

I myself take a middle ground and feel the viability of the fetus outside the woman's body (with medical support, if required) is the marker for the point at which a fetus' "life" becomes its own (and therefore subject to being protected by the state.) When SCOTUS ruled in Roe v. Wade in 1973 the medical technology that was available put that at about 28 weeks, but possibly as early as 24 weeks. Today our medical advances make that point of viability earlier, with the earliest case having been viable at 21 weeks + 6 days. So now it is even more complex.

I know this is a difficult problem, fueled on both sides with great passion.
But it will never be solved until we can all agree on what constitutes a human life, and I do not see that happening any time soon. Until then we will continue to argue and struggle to balance the rights of women and fetuses. And I hope we will all continue to discuss it calmly.
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Paul,
I'm not trying to confuse you but the courts have made it more confusing. If you murder a pregnant woman you are charged with double homicide. Obviously the courts consider the fetus a life. So typical of our system. If you intend to end that life via abortion it's not murder. If you didn't know she was pregnant and killed the mother, your unintentional murder of the fetus is murder.
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Sep 3, 2016 10:05:59   #
THUNDERBOLT wrote:
Hey everybody,
I really like what you OPP'ers have to say,
every time I do this.
Take a break from all the B.S. & Hit Me!
ThunderBolt


I've been swamped at work lately.
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Sep 3, 2016 09:37:06   #
Tomtrout wrote:
I am a Viet Nam veteran. I proudly served our country and honored our flag and American traditions. I gladly risked my life flying over the jungles of Viet Nam while being shot at by a country that now makes much of our clothes and shoes. I lost several good friends and acquaintances there. The cap that i still proudly wear from my pilots association was manufactured in Viet Nam.

Between combat tours I returned to a country that I could not recognize. I was waiting for a bus at SFO when I was taunted and repeatedly ridiculed for wearing a military uniform by some young woman that was perhaps 18-19 years of age, . I did nothing and said nothing for over 10 minutes until this young woman spit in my face so I broke her nose. I was immediately arrested and charged with assault and battery. I was eventually turned over to the military and faced a court martial. I was required to pay all medical expenses,a temporary reduction in pay and faced hours and hours of psychological counselling.

I did not come to loving of America on my own. My father was a WWII navy veteran where he lost many of his shipmates during a Kamakazi attack at Okinawa He was never bitter but was proud that he and his departed shipmates help defeat the Japanese. He was proud to be seen as a hero and one of the defenders of America.

When I returned home there was only a small article in the local newspaper that I had returned from military service. That was it. There was no hero's welcome home or any mention of our sacrifice in serving the country. We all just silently began our transition to civilian life and tried to cope with the scars and wounds from the physical and psychological trauma that we had incurred.

To love a country, a country must be lovable. How can you love a country when illegal immigrants receive better medical care than our veterans. When was the last time you heard of an illegal alien dying while have to wait for treatment? How can you love a country that returns felons, murderers and rapist to the streets just because they are in our country illegally?

How can you love a country that allows any President to repeatedly violate the constitution while accumulating more national debt than the total of all previous presidents? How can you love a country that reduces the sentences of convicted felons to achieve racial balance in our prisons? How can you love a country that allows the president to make secret deals with Iran without the approval of congress or the American people. How can the president refuse to enforce the existing laws regarding immigration. The President of the United States has repeatedly lied to voters and congress about healthcare, the Iran treaty (remember "any time any where inspections") and tries to tell us that a growth of the GDP less than 2% is an economic recovery.

How can you love a country that 45% of the country favors Hillary Clinton as president. She has lied to the people, to congress,and to the press. While she served as Secretary of State she allowed the sale of 20% of our Uranium reserves to Russia while lining the pockets of foundation donors and the Clinton foundation with millions and millions of dollars. The Secretary of State has violated national security protocols and has threatened the very national security of this country. There is also the remaining question of the deleted emails.

How can one love a country that the US department of Justice that supported a false narrative that resulted in the loss of lives, burning of local businesses,and looting while demeaning law enforcement. Even the FBI's investigation into the emails was tainted by the secret meeting of Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton.

I do not love America as much as I did in the past. How about You? Are you willing to exert any effort to return America to become lovable again? We cannot make America great again unless we make America lovable again.
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Tom,
Thank you for your service. You love America. You would not be so concerned if you didn't love America. Right now it's tough love. Keep America in your heart, pray for America, God bless America.
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Sep 3, 2016 09:31:15   #
old woman wrote:
The people who do not respect the Flag should get out of the Country and go to love in another country and they will se what means America Garbage and brain dead


I agree. CK made a big mistake, never sit during the national anthem, that's just wrong and disrespectful. He is now taking a knee. That is a little better. Taking a knee is at least a reverent posture. On the other hand taking a knee can be interpreted as a submissive position. The USA should never be submissive, are you listening Mr. President? This is what ultimately happens when sports figures, actors, singers, etc start using their profession to further their political views. It often turns out bad.
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Sep 3, 2016 09:21:34   #
oldroy wrote:
But the President of Mexico invited both candidates and she didn't show up. I guess that is an example of all her way of dealing with anyone other than Americans. Hmmmmmmmm.


She didn't show up because the Mexican President didn't make his requisite contribution to the Clinton Foundation.
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