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Jan 22, 2017 14:06:01   #
BigMike wrote:
That's what I've noticed about leftist arguments. They all have that little flaw. I had an acquaintance who was a New Ager. He was busily telling me that God wasn't a "being" or anything and that reality/morality was what I created in my own mind and that all roads lead to Heaven, so I asked him, "If all that is true, and I create my own reality, how could I possibly be wrong?" His eyes rolled back in his head, at that point, and he changed the subject.

They all claim this...objectivity...that really isn't there.
That's what I've noticed about leftist arguments. ... (show quote)


And by the way, God has said that when morals become relative, then reality itself becomes relative. And we're seeing that right now, in America.
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Jan 22, 2017 13:55:00   #
BigMike wrote:
That's what I've noticed about leftist arguments. They all have that little flaw. I had an acquaintance who was a New Ager. He was busily telling me that God wasn't a "being" or anything and that reality/morality was what I created in my own mind and that all roads lead to Heaven, so I asked him, "If all that is true, and I create my own reality, how could I possibly be wrong?" His eyes rolled back in his head, at that point, and he changed the subject.

They all claim this...objectivity...that really isn't there.
That's what I've noticed about leftist arguments. ... (show quote)


That is why reason is the weapon that will destroy the Leftist/Liberals.

Sartre said that any morals a man has are equivalent to any other person's, as long as he is consistent within that particular morality. Well, something like that.

What Sartre missed, due perhaps to his lack of understanding of human nature, is that when one comes into contact with another, based on Sartre's definition of morality, how is one to know what that person's morals are? How is one able to anticipate another's behavior, if one does not know his morals or is "conditioned" to believe that any construction of morality is as moral as another? This very definition will be the cause of more, not less, conflict. It is why in the far past, the "other" was possibly looked upon with fear.

Morals developed (evolved?) as a means not only to living healthy personal lives, but also as a means for getting along with others. I'm no philosopher (Objectivism is the only philosophy I can read with a straight face), but I am absolutely certain that morals are used in making those bittersweet choices between "me and thou" and between "the present and the future."
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Jan 22, 2017 12:12:10   #
straightUp wrote:
There's some truth to what she is saying. There are Christians in both parties. A lot of them on the Democratic side are Roman Catholic where on the Republican side you have more evangelists. But what really stands out for those on the right are the atheists on the left and what really stands out for those on the left are the the right-wing evangelists that use religion to advance their political ends. It won't matter which view you look at, a person of faith will automatically point to the Godless in the opposite party and to the faithful in their own party.

But talk is cheap... Actions say a lot more and in the last 20 years it's pretty clear that the actions taken by the right are far less Christian than the actions taken on the left. Democrats tend to support actions that help the underprivileged for instance... something Christ encouraged us to do. Meanwhile, on the right, so-called Christians will attack those actions and say it's the wrong thing to do and that it's not what Christ meant, but they will not take any action themselves. They will feebly point to charity... which is always such a convenient excuse. Or they will judge the underprivileged as unworthy of help, which is about as far from Christ as you can get without singing your ass on the fires of Hell. Jesus told us to help others not judge others.

Personally, I find the current Republican Party immoral as hell and their self-proclaimed "faith" is like graffiti and piss across the image of Christ. I often compare it to their Muslim counterparts, the right-wing extremists like ISIS that try to define their faith to suit their political ends. Not all Republicans are like this I recognize that, but like I said... going by the political track record of the party itself... I see no evidence of Christian morals.
There's some truth to what she is saying. There ar... (show quote)


"There is some truth in what she is saying..." What an arrogant SOB you are. As if you yourself knew ultimate truth.

A seemingly Leftist/Liberal who believes morality is relative, is now telling others what truth is.
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Jan 22, 2017 12:08:57   #
straightUp wrote:
I notice this more and more these days... This tendency to say "this same God" as if there are other gods. I see evangelists on the right creating this taxonomy of gods... The Muslims have a "different" god... the Jew's have the "old God"... I've even been told by a so-called Christian here on this site that Roman Catholics worship a different god. I can remember being told there is only one God.


Your first paragraph:
"That's what the Bible says... If you believe the Bible is the Word of God, then that's what God said. So don't sleep with men. Pretty simple right? The problem people like you have is that it's not enough to live your life according to God's judgement, you take it upon yourself to enforce His judgment on others and that's the line I see between a true man of God and a man who is trying to use God's Word to tell others what to do. God doesn't need you to judge others for Him. He's perfectly capable of doing it Himself."

1. Humans have intellectually evolved to the point where they are now capable of ascertaining the consequences of certain of their actions. Hopefully, they can now see why God said, in Scriptures, OT and NT, that it is the EXTENT of homosexual behavior that should be condemned. Now you should be able to understand how homosexuality grows, how that behavior "conditions" the children, and how it weakens a culture.
In other words, it isn't because "God said it", it is because the consequences are disastrous for a people. Can you understand that?

2. So glad---NOT!---you have come to the point where you speak for God. Ovomit tried it, and look what happened to him.
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Jan 22, 2017 12:02:14   #
pafret wrote:
You somehow have confused Catholicism with the Mafia, there has never been a Jesuit army and Vito Corleone didn't found the order, Ignatius de Loyola did. Admittedly he was a Spanish Soldier who became a Priest. The Jesuits are noted Scholars, Explorers and Teachers. Their Order has founded many Colleges and Universities, Among them St. Xavier in Cincinnati Ohio and St. Thomas in Scranton Pa. They are formidable debaters and logicians and if they can be faulted it might be because they resemble lawyers too closely.

I have attended four Catholic Universities and have learned a good deal of the history of various orders. However, I will bow to your superior knowledge of what "you have always known". It is known as invincible ignorance.
You somehow have confused Catholicism with the Maf... (show quote)


I agree that the Jesuits have also promulgated a search for knowledge, just as Mohammed did.

However, there are at least two faults I found within the Jesuit order, and I saw them from adolescence:
1. Like Voltaire, I found its pure dogma hard to stomach, and
2. Loyola believed that only the Roman Catholic Church is God's vessel on earth. That particular "soldier of God" concept has caused a great deal of consternation throughout history.
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Jan 21, 2017 21:42:06   #
I have just this to say. When I heard they were chanting: "Keep government out of my uterus", I posted (elsewhere): Well, why not have government there? Everybody else is. No wonder there's no room for the unborn child.

The vomitorium is to the right of the stage, folks.
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Jan 21, 2017 21:39:22   #
Zemirah wrote:
Oh, by all means, Counselor of Wolves,

I care about the beliefs and proclamations of anyone who (through their political clout) potentially holds sway over the well-being, freedom and material opportunities provided to others.


And that is the problem with Leftist/Liberalism. That they do hold sway. That is not government's purpose.
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Jan 21, 2017 21:31:02   #
Well, the final proof. The woman is senile.
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Jan 20, 2017 20:59:11   #
Sons of Liberty wrote:
Do us all a favor and just leave our country. It's evident you are not happy here, so please...just leave!


I think it was made when Ovomit was president. Am I right?
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Jan 19, 2017 11:52:18   #
Progressive One wrote:
she's a walking contradiction.........brain dead....talking about goose and gander....dumb b-tch didn't mention trump and the birther thing.....a toadette.........


Didn't want you to miss this, Proggie:

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/47374

"The Congo: A Study of the Negro Race" Vachel Lindsay

Thought you in particular would get a kick out of it.

Incidentally, if you're interested in the truth, you can find me on RT. That is, if you actually care about the Truth.

Free speech is becoming obsolete in America. Ask Ovomit. He told my brother he put me in jail because I "was spreading lies about him." Which was an outright lie, and only ONE of the reasons he jailed me, with Clinton's consent. The Brits got me out of jail.

That's how much I feel for your "truth".
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